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DontEatChalk 09-13-2013 06:36 PM

Refurbished 64GB Microsoft Surface RT+Touch Cover for $279
 
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This is from the same seller as the 199$ 32 gb surface RT+touch cover and the 64gb surface.
Was $299 for the 32gb Surface+Touch cover and is now $249.
Much more interesting is the 64gb Surface+Touch cover for $279, with the Touch cover valued from 50-70$ you are buying the 64gb Surface for very close to the original $199 deal.

32 gb with touch cover for 249$:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/32GB-Micr...2a576#shId

64 gb with touch cover for 279$:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181164214775

This might just be setting up for another eBay Daily Deal so buy at your own risk!

wikipost 09-13-2013 06:36 PM

This post can and should be edited by users like you :)
 
OOS

64 gb with touch cover for 279$
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http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/...ommercials

aznhero913 09-13-2013 06:39 PM

i think these were 199 not too long ago...

BishoyN 09-13-2013 06:50 PM

The 64GB with Touch Cover for $279 is a pretty hot deal..

Edit: This should get a title change to clarify the deal...I think lots of people who missed out on the last deal will want to get in on the 64GB with Touch Cover

scl23enn4m3 09-13-2013 06:53 PM

Great, I still haven't received my order from the previous time.

BishoyN 09-13-2013 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scl23enn4m3 (Post 61911276)
Great, I still haven't received my order from the previous time.

Call Liquidation Services if you have any issues. They actually have great phone customer service. They lost track of my package, so I called and they immediately offered to overnight me another one.

kevgret 09-13-2013 07:13 PM

hmmm 64GB with touch cover? I wonder how much lower this will go when the new versions arrive

DontEatChalk 09-13-2013 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznhero913 (Post 61911086)
i think these were 199 not too long ago...

Yes that was the 32gb with Touch Cover, the 64gb was only sold alone for 199$ last time with no touch cover bundle.
What's also interesting is that the touch cover bundles for both the 32gb and 64gb are only 20$ more than the tablet with no cover, so this ebay seller must have a ton of touch covers to unload if he's valuing them at 20$ a pop.

How do I edit the title?

QuePaso 09-13-2013 07:20 PM

Really bad deal. These will be at biglots for 79 soon enough just to get clearanced out.

NFS4 09-13-2013 07:21 PM

So is Manufactured Certified, the seller, sponsored by Microsoft? Or is it Microsoft?

trader14 09-13-2013 07:21 PM

last time they had it for $272 but the big bonus was with quadruple ebay bucks that earned almost $18 so $254 after ebay bucks was a hot deal

ats 09-13-2013 07:22 PM

These things are pretty cool imo, I am actually surprised they were such a flop.

DontEatChalk 09-13-2013 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuePaso (Post 61911620)
Really bad deal. These will be at biglots for 79 soon enough just to get clearanced out.

when that happens I will personally buy you one.
Quote:

Originally Posted by NFS4 (Post 61911646)
So is Manufactured Certified, the seller, sponsored by Microsoft? Or is it Microsoft?

Not really sure but they come with Microsoft warranties until Nov. of 2014.
Quote:

Originally Posted by trader14 (Post 61911650)
last time they had it for $272 but the big bonus was with quadruple ebay bucks that earned almost $18 so $254 after ebay bucks was a hot deal

Can you link me to this?

dsnotgood 09-13-2013 07:24 PM

I got one from the deal last time, it came quick and as promised, it was pretty much brand new, no marks or anything. Great seller and tablet, just make sure you do the firmware updates, made the tablet much faster.

smartdeals 09-13-2013 07:25 PM

should see 150 soon

Parker1974 09-13-2013 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuePaso (Post 61911620)
Really bad deal. These will be at biglots for 79 soon enough just to get clearanced out.

No. Considering how quickly this seller sold these things last time - literally thousands of them over a day or so - I doubt they're going to drop below $100 anytime soon. Whatever you think of RT, clearly there's some demand here, at least at this price point. But...


Quote:

Originally Posted by smartdeals (Post 61911712)
should see 150 soon

...that's much more likely. We might see $150 when the new Surface tabs come out.

ats 09-13-2013 07:27 PM

I'd buy two for 150 each

DontEatChalk 09-13-2013 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smartdeals (Post 61911712)
should see 150 soon

Not too sure...people were still able to flip their refurb 32gbs+touch cover on ebay for 280-300+ pretty easily, so the demand is there.

myamex 09-13-2013 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ats (Post 61911652)
These things are pretty cool imo, I am actually surprised they were such a flop.


bad pricing and poor marketing,

Nobody knows what Microsoft is trying do sell when they have a commercial showing a bunch of idiots dancing in the office.

cgigate 09-13-2013 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NFS4 (Post 61911646)
So is Manufactured Certified, the seller, sponsored by Microsoft? Or is it Microsoft?

Microsoft did not manufacture it, actually Foxconn manufactured the Surface

Parker1974 09-13-2013 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trader14 (Post 61911650)
last time they had it for $272 but the big bonus was with quadruple ebay bucks that earned almost $18 so $254 after ebay bucks was a hot deal

Unfortunately not everyone got the quadruple bucks offer, so that was a ymmv deal. And it was only for a couple of hours, right?

cgigate 09-13-2013 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myamex (Post 61911744)
bad pricing and poor marketing,

Nobody knows what Microsoft is trying do sell when they have a commercial showing a bunch of idiots dancing in the office.

Haha, Microsoft is the idiots

purple 09-13-2013 07:30 PM

remember like any microsoft pc product these are not manufactured to last more than 2 years

DontEatChalk 09-13-2013 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myamex (Post 61911744)
bad pricing and poor marketing,

Nobody knows what Microsoft is trying do sell when they have a commercial showing a bunch of idiots dancing in the office.

oh my god i hadn't seen the commercial until after i read this, :lmao:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7UlE-o8DQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2KPQNP1Z1s

Parker1974 09-13-2013 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myamex (Post 61911744)
bad pricing and poor marketing,

Nobody knows what Microsoft is trying do sell when they have a commercial showing a bunch of idiots dancing in the office.

lol, that is completely on point. Such a train wreck of a product rollout. I don't think MS could have possibly handled it any worse.

Had they marketed it correctly and introduced it at $299 or so, I think it would have at least managed to carve out its own little niche in the tablet market. RT is certainly not for everyone, but it offers a couple of advantages over iOS and Android. Each platform has its pluses and minuses.

Nausicaa 09-13-2013 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ats (Post 61911652)
These things are pretty cool imo, I am actually surprised they were such a flop.

B&N Nook HD+ for 110 (9in with 1080p).

I'm surprised these are still being purchased. At 79 buck or maybe 90 bucks its not bad, but not for what they're asking, especially when the 32 gig doesn't have as much usable memory as an iPad with 16GB, although it does have USB which is nice.

NFS4 09-13-2013 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgigate (Post 61911750)
Microsoft did not manufacture it, actually Foxconn manufactured the Surface

Dur, what? That's not what I asked and I know who manufacturers the Surface RT.

Manufacturer Certified is the name of the eBay seller.

I was asking if the seller is officially affiliated with Microsoft or if the seller IS Microsoft looking to offload returned Surface RTs.

apath 09-13-2013 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by purple (Post 61911780)
remember like any microsoft pc product these are not manufactured to last more than 2 years

I've got a Microsoft Mouse that's over 10 years old. Their hardware is the most solid stuff they make.

dzap 09-13-2013 07:45 PM

Last time the 32GB was $199 with Touch Cover

64GB for $206 without touch cover.


Now - $249 for 32GB with Touch Cover.


$279 for 64GB with Touch Cover


Was planning on getting the 64GB anyway and needed the cover...so best value. Still a little more but I want one to really try it out and that's a good price point.

FARK. Cali sales tax puts it over $300. :mad:

DontEatChalk 09-13-2013 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzap (Post 61912008)
Last time the 32GB was $199 with Touch Cover

64GB for $206 without touch cover.


Now - $249 for 32GB with Touch Cover.


$279 for 64GB with Touch Cover


Was planning on getting the 64GB anyway and needed the cover...so best value. Still a little more but I want one to really try it out and that's a good price point.

FARK. Cali sales tax puts it over $300. :mad:

Yeah I should have made it more clear that the 64gb with cover was the best deal.
And yeah NJ sales tax made me cringe too :(

hyteckit 09-13-2013 07:48 PM

$299 should've been what the surface RT price to begin with.

Going to wait for the 8" Windows 8.1 Pro tablets that sell for $349 or less.

jbloggs 09-13-2013 07:49 PM

Can these run XBMC & Mame emulator?

nrguser 09-13-2013 07:50 PM

Only the pro has pen support right?

BlackHat001X 09-13-2013 07:51 PM

Why does everyone hate this so much? I'm using one right now and find it to be really useful imo.

hallowmann 09-13-2013 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontEatChalk (Post 61912060)
Yeah I should have made it more clear that the 64gb with cover was the best deal.
And yeah NJ sales tax made me cringe too :(

OP, you can edit the title by clicking "edit" and then clicking "go advanced".

dzap 09-13-2013 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyteckit (Post 61912066)
$299 should've been what the surface RT price to begin with.

Going to wait for the 8" Windows 8.1 Pro tablets that sell for $349 or less.

Shit. You're right. I just remembered reading the leaks on the upcoming Windows 8 tablets coming this year...
http://winsupersite.com/windows-8...um=twitter


These look awesome (pics in link):
ASUS Transformer Book Trio T100TA - $329 with keyboard dock. FULL windows 8.
Platform: Intel Atom "Bay Trail"
Screen: 10.1-inch, 1366 x 768
Battery: 12 hours
Weight: 2.2 pounds
Thickness: .9 inches

Dell Venue

Codename: Bellair
Platform: Intel Atom "Bay Trail"
Screen: 8-inch, 1280 x 800 IPS
Battery: 10+ hours
Weight: .88 pounds
Thickness: .35 inches
Price: $299

Hmm...wondering now if I should wait. Still in my cart...because for about what I'm about to pay now for the 64GB with touch cover, I could get full Windows 8 instead with incredible battery life.

DontEatChalk 09-13-2013 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallowmann (Post 61912124)
OP, you can edit the title by clicking "edit" and then clicking "go advanced".

thanks

dzap 09-13-2013 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackHat001X (Post 61912104)
Why does everyone hate this so much? I'm using one right now and find it to be really useful imo.

Because it's Windows RT. I think the concept of this is really awesome, but everyone would rather prefer the ability to run full Windows apps on this, when you can get a laptop for the same price that does, or some newer Windows 8 tablets coming down the line.


I love the design, but I'm wondering about the functionality...

kkiran 09-13-2013 08:08 PM

I got in on the previous deal. Stand and touch keys are too cool for whatever posture you want to use this.

Screen resolution should face been better though, not so cool. No pen support either.

Hope they get the deals out for Pros but I doubt it since they are a proven product comparatively.

teflonrico 09-13-2013 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbloggs (Post 61912070)
Can these run XBMC & Mame emulator?


Nope for xbmc...

trader14 09-13-2013 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parker1974 (Post 61911762)
Unfortunately not everyone got the quadruple bucks offer, so that was a ymmv deal. And it was only for a couple of hours, right?

correct - only one of my 3 ebay accounts received the offer that was good only for 3 hours

Owen 09-13-2013 08:15 PM

The new Surface 2 (they are dropping RT from the name) will be out around October 18, MS has the press conference on the 22nd I think to announce it. Rumor has it that it might stick to the $350 price but it's still RT so unless you run a lot of apps from the MS App store, you are better off getting one of the other full 8.1 tablets for the same price.

You will probably see lots of deals on these real soon as stores try to clear inventory for the new model.

1093koney 09-13-2013 08:15 PM

I love my surface. Its really great. The web browser feels just like a desktop one. Its pretty fast compared to my old nook hd+. Since I don't use apps this is pretty much the best tablet I've used. This is of course just my opinion so take it as you will...

landon87 09-13-2013 08:20 PM

I need a tablet for school but I will just wait for the asus transformer t100 windows 8.1 tablet w/ quadcore atom processor that will come out next month for around 350. Can't really do shit with windows rt.

dzap 09-13-2013 08:20 PM

Ugh. I think I'm backing out after looking into it more. My #1 complaint with Windows Phone is that I can't install another real browser. Chrome and Firefox aren't available on it, and IE crashes on some sites for my frequently on Windows Phone.


And I just found out that Chrome isn't available for Windows RT. Neither does Firefox. I will not be forced to use IE again, like Windows Phone.


I'll wait for the full Windows 8 tablets. Good deal for others though!

ClearanceCloset 09-13-2013 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontEatChalk (Post 61911052)
This is from the same seller as the 199$ 32 gb surface RT+touch cover and the 64gb surface.
Was $299 for the 32gb Surface+Touch cover and is now $249.
Much more interesting is the 64gb Surface+Touch cover for $279, with the Touch cover valued from 50-70$ you are buying the 64gb Surface for very close to the original $199 deal.

32 gb with touch cover for 249$:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/32GB-Micr...2a576#shId

64 gb with touch cover for 279$:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181164214775

This might just be setting up for another eBay Daily Deal so buy at your own risk!


I was looking at the description for the 64gb. It has 64gb in title but in the description below it says 32gb. Anyone else see this?

DontEatChalk 09-13-2013 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzap (Post 61912432)
Ugh. I think I'm backing out after looking into it more. My #1 complaint with Windows Phone is that I can't install another real browser. Chrome and Firefox aren't available on it, and IE crashes on some sites for my frequently on Windows Phone.


And I just found out that Chrome isn't available for Windows RT. Neither does Firefox. I will not be forced to use IE again, like Windows Phone.


I'll wait for the full Windows 8 tablets. Good deal for others though!

have you tried UC browser for windows phone? wayyyy better than the internet explorer app

Got_Heinz 09-13-2013 08:30 PM

Not bad. This should be the normal price though. The surface 2 with cover need to be 299 and I would buy a new one.

porky 09-13-2013 08:33 PM

I got in on the last deal and having used RT for a week I will probably be returning it. For one, the app store is way behind Android or iOS. Yes, you can access all the regular sites using IE10, but then I would buy a laptop, not RT. Then you have quirks like the start page coming up on its own and apps crashing.
Read up a bit before you bite on this one.

oakfan52 09-13-2013 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoits2000 (Post 61912518)
Not bad. This should be the normal price though. The surface 2 with cover need to be 299 and I would buy a new one.

I agree. I have a 32GB. I didn't feel I need a 64GB with an SD slot. The mouse/trackpad works great when you need a tablet for more than just games or social media. I use it to remote into work and can work anywhere. Integrated office and onenote is nice.

hyteckit 09-13-2013 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzap (Post 61912158)
Shit. You're right. I just remembered reading the leaks on the upcoming Windows 8 tablets coming this year...
http://winsupersite.com/windows-8...um=twitter


Dell Venue

Codename: Bellair
Platform: Intel Atom "Bay Trail"
Screen: 8-inch, 1280 x 800 IPS
Battery: 10+ hours
Weight: .88 pounds
Thickness: .35 inches
Price: $299

Hmm...wondering now if I should wait. Still in my cart...because for about what I'm about to pay now for the 64GB with touch cover, I could get full Windows 8 instead with incredible battery life.

I'm going to sell my Acer W3 and getting the Dell Venue 8". $299 with active stylus as an additional accessory. Whoa! Lighter than the Acer W3 which I found to be a little heavy.

dbpaddler 09-13-2013 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nausicaa (Post 61911872)
B&N Nook HD+ for 110 (9in with 1080p).

I'm surprised these are still being purchased. At 79 buck or maybe 90 bucks its not bad, but not for what they're asking, especially when the 32 gig doesn't have as much usable memory as an iPad with 16GB, although it does have USB which is nice.

Sorry, own the HD+, and I don't see you being correct anywhere in your post.

None of the Android office apps compare to real office, and I've used most of them on many different tablets. The HD+ is no speed demon. Doesn't have a keyboard dock, and even if you use a bluetooth one, it most likely has no track pad, isn't as responsive as a direct connected one and requires charging as well as not being integrated to the tablet.

Windows RT is better than multitasking, has a better browser, and the capability of desktop brings it closer to a real computing experience.

And with a 64gb card you have more storage than an ipad, and it's even more attractive cost wise when comparing the combo of 96 or 128gb compared to the 64gb ipad.

So USB, card slot, office and a completely integrated keyboard with touchpad solution pretty much trump quite a bit if you are more concerned with productivity than pure apps.

B/B 09-13-2013 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myamex (Post 61911744)
bad pricing and poor marketing,

Nobody knows what Microsoft is trying do sell when they have a commercial showing a bunch of idiots dancing in the office.






Watch the latest Microsoft commercial http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/...ommercials

Edit Fixed link

petard 09-13-2013 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scl23enn4m3 (Post 61911276)
Great, I still haven't received my order from the previous time.

Did you contact them? They shipped mine when they said they would (tuesday after the holiday) and I received it 2 days later.

kris259 09-13-2013 09:29 PM

I wonder if these are really refurbs or if they are brand new and just being sold as refurbs to reduce stock ASAP and also make some of that "lost" money back in having shorter warranty periods (probably saves them a pretty penny in the long run, maybe not as much as they have lost so far on the surface though)

petard 09-13-2013 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbloggs (Post 61912070)
Can these run XBMC & Mame emulator?

Whatever is on the Windows store, no third party desktop apps. Desktop isn't really supposed to be used for anything but file management and office on RT.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kris259 (Post 61913254)
I wonder if these are really refurbs or if they are brand new and just being sold as refurbs to reduce stock ASAP and also make some of that "lost" money back in having shorter warranty periods (probably saves them a pretty penny in the long run, maybe not as much as they have lost so far on the surface though)

Wouldn't be surprised if they were brand new. Mine didn't have a single nick or scratch on it. Just a refurb sticker on the back corner and "Refurbished" written on the box. It was actually printed on the box and not a sticker slapped on though.

buzz86us 09-13-2013 09:37 PM

I'd wait for the baytrail processors you get full x86 which means you can run different software and such I am hoping someone will make one of these with a wacom digitizer.

Eman. 09-13-2013 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myamex (Post 61911744)
bad pricing and poor marketing,

Nobody knows what Microsoft is trying do sell when they have a commercial showing a bunch of idiots dancing in the office.

Personally I liked the commercials, although they didn't really "showcase" what their product does, they just assumed consumers would know that it was a tablet err....Portable touch screen laptop....er...whatever, I liked the dancing :).

sledskill 09-13-2013 09:47 PM

want this to work as a 'convertible' for my wife. She only does email, web and word. Serve as main desktop with kybd and monitor at home and able to take w her as tab. It's got HD video out correct? What is that? Is that HDMI or mini? Can I give her a 20" monitor and kybd via the USB port?

tkr1 09-13-2013 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzap (Post 61912432)
Ugh. I think I'm backing out after looking into it more. My #1 complaint with Windows Phone is that I can't install another real browser. Chrome and Firefox aren't available on it, and IE crashes on some sites for my frequently on Windows Phone.


And I just found out that Chrome isn't available for Windows RT. Neither does Firefox. I will not be forced to use IE again, like Windows Phone.


I'll wait for the full Windows 8 tablets. Good deal for others though!

Have you tried using UC Browser? It works fine on my 920 and IE isn't giving me many problems.

cheeto 09-13-2013 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sledskill (Post 61913492)
want this to work as a 'convertible' for my wife. She only does email, web and word. Serve as main desktop with kybd and monitor at home and able to take w her as tab. It's got HD video out correct? What is that? Is that HDMI or mini? Can I give her a 20" monitor and kybd via the USB port?

A chromebook would be better.

rdunlap 09-13-2013 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sledskill (Post 61913492)
want this to work as a 'convertible' for my wife. She only does email, web and word. Serve as main desktop with kybd and monitor at home and able to take w her as tab. It's got HD video out correct? What is that? Is that HDMI or mini? Can I give her a 20" monitor and kybd via the USB port?

Exactly what my wife uses it for and she's in love with it.

redshirt72 09-13-2013 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbloggs (Post 61912070)
Can these run XBMC & Mame emulator?


No XBMC, but Plex runs beautifully on it and imo, looks better.

masterz13 09-13-2013 10:03 PM

I got the 32gb Surface + cover for $199 about a week ago and love it. Aside from IE10, everything is really smooth experience. Battery life is pretty phenomenal also; I can squeeze 7-8 hours of live streams on Twitch TV, and that's using Adobe Flash the entire time. Casual internet use is more like 10-11 hours. The touch cover is a much better option than on-screen keyboards like most tablets. Yes, the screen resolution is just 1366x768, but it's unnoticeable with day to day use. I'm hoping the final build of Windows 8.1 and IE11 will make the Surface RT feel a bit more polished though.

hallowmann 09-13-2013 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kris259 (Post 61913254)
I wonder if these are really refurbs or if they are brand new and just being sold as refurbs to reduce stock ASAP and also make some of that "lost" money back in having shorter warranty periods (probably saves them a pretty penny in the long run, maybe not as much as they have lost so far on the surface though)

Quote:

Originally Posted by petard (Post 61913276)
...Wouldn't be surprised if they were brand new. Mine didn't have a single nick or scratch on it. Just a refurb sticker on the back corner and "Refurbished" written on the box. It was actually printed on the box and not a sticker slapped on though.

I don't see why you guys think these are new. If they were, they'd just sell them as new, and they'd sell even faster at the same price. These say in the listing that they have a 1yr limited manufacturer warranty, which is the same as one you would buy new.

I really wouldn't be surprised if these are just manufacturer refurbs. A lot of times, people send models in to repair because of a software problem or their own inability to understand how something should work. It shouldn't be a surprise if these refurbs come looking like new. Its a lot like the Lenovo outlet refurbs that come like new with a 1yr warranty and in a Lenovo box that just says "Refurbished Product" on it.

I bit on this. We'll see how it works. Worst case scenario, I'll return it with free return shipping within the 30-day window.

Gameross 09-13-2013 10:07 PM

What can ya even do with this thing? It looks like a dead end device. Will android ever be ported or has it been ported to this?

dsnotgood 09-13-2013 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porky (Post 61912544)
I got in on the last deal and having used RT for a week I will probably be returning it. For one, the app store is way behind Android or iOS. Yes, you can access all the regular sites using IE10, but then I would buy a laptop, not RT. Then you have quirks like the start page coming up on its own and apps crashing.
Read up a bit before you bite on this one.

Install the updates for it, makes it a LOT faster and smoother and got rid of a lot of error messages.

Ashvins 09-13-2013 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuePaso (Post 61911620)
Really bad deal. These will be at biglots for 79 soon enough just to get clearanced out.

Yeah, right. Please post the ad. I'm not going to get in on this deal, but not because of bogus comments like this one.

masterz13 09-13-2013 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsnotgood (Post 61913866)
Install the updates for it, makes it a LOT faster and smoother and got rid of a lot of error messages.


I updated it day one and have had zero errors. I'm tempted to install the 8.1 preview to see if it speeds Internet Explorer up and polishes the UI. Also, I will say flash content lags if you do anything else. For example, if you have something playing on YouTube and move your finger around on the screen, the video stutters. I feel like with Tegra 3 and 2GB of memory that is unacceptable. That said, it is the perfect little device for college students. It makes the 2 mile walk from the campus parking lot to class much easier compared to a hefty 5-6lb laptop, and it's easy to take notes on it and get through the day on a single charge.

mmckensie 09-13-2013 10:48 PM

freakin love my surface!! I've had a xoom and an ipad and neither is anywhere near the experience with the surface. all MS needs to do is get some apps.

Sal-Paradise 09-13-2013 10:49 PM

Can anyone who got one from the last deal verify the quality of the product? There's been a bit of speculation that they are pretty much new and being sold as refurbs. Anyone get a Surface that was in pretty bad shape or horribly reduced battery life from this seller? Any complaints?

DontEatChalk 09-13-2013 10:55 PM

Have any of you complaining about IE on Windows RT tried the UC Browser? It's vastly superior to IE.

cheap_bastid 09-13-2013 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontEatChalk (Post 61914286)
Have any of you complaining about IE on Windows RT tried the UC Browser? It's vastly superior to IE.

Read the reviews. Not impressed. A cheap Chinese browser wrapper over ie10, I wouldn't trust it.

Nate650 09-13-2013 10:59 PM

CNET review [cnet.com]

cheap_bastid 09-13-2013 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sal-Paradise (Post 61914228)
Can anyone who got one from the last deal verify the quality of the product? There's been a bit of speculation that they are pretty much new and being sold as refurbs. Anyone get a Surface that was in pretty bad shape or horribly reduced battery life from this seller? Any complaints?

Typing on my 32gb now. Really like it, have not done all the updates yet. IE 10 can be sluggish. I just compared my iPad 4 and it blows this RT tablet away on browsing speed.

Nevertheless, this is the best value in tablets hands down. Really like it, despite the flaws. Mine looked pretty much new.

DontEatChalk 09-13-2013 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61914316)
Read the reviews. Not impressed. A cheap Chinese browser wrapper over ie10, I wouldn't trust it.

?? it has 4.5 stars on both windows and android with 18k reviews on windows and 180k on android

Owen 09-13-2013 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sal-Paradise (Post 61914228)
Can anyone who got one from the last deal verify the quality of the product? There's been a bit of speculation that they are pretty much new and being sold as refurbs. Anyone get a Surface that was in pretty bad shape or horribly reduced battery life from this seller? Any complaints?

People from the previous deal have said they had some minor scuffs on the back or little scratches by the charging port, etc while others had got some in perfect condition. A few also received theirs missing chargers. But it is all relative when discussing condition as some people are not as picky as others and may not look at it with a fine tooth comb for minor defects or flaws. But you are fooling yourself if you think they are brand new being sold as refurbs.

dredgman 09-13-2013 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by purple (Post 61911780)
remember unlike any Apple product these are manufactured to last more than 2 years

Fixed.

Truth is the Surface is light on apps but still a great device depending on what you'll use it for.

Sal-Paradise 09-13-2013 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dredgman (Post 61914378)
Fixed.

Truth is the Surface is light on apps but still a great device depending on what you'll use it for.

Seriously. I don't think I've ever owned a MS product that has died in the first 2 years. Mice, keyboards, etc.

thriftmeister 09-13-2013 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DontEatChalk (Post 61911804)
oh my god i hadn't seen the commercial until after i read this, :lmao:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7UlE-o8DQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2KPQNP1Z1s

Holy freakin' crap, thanks for that. I don't watch a whole lot of tv these days and haven't seen those. Dorky MS adverts as usual, but with a certain creepy, extra-dorky twist on it. Freakin' jeeeeezzz.

In any case, I might be willing to pick one up at $100 or so if I could recoup $80 after ebay fees and shipping. Otherwise gotta pass, though I'm sure some may find this an okay deal. It would be more tempting for development purposes if there was a decent market for people wanting rt apps.

cheap_bastid 09-13-2013 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DontEatChalk (Post 61914370)
?? it has 4.5 stars on both windows and android with 18k reviews on windows and 180k on android

Keep in mind the windows phone app store is not the same as the windows tablet store. The windows app store for RT only shows 296 reviews, and some pretty horrible reviews. It's only 2.34mb, far too small for a real browser. It's just a wrapper of the ie10 browser in the RT store, a sham.

Bottom line, don't waste your time on UC Browser in Surface tablet.

B/B 09-13-2013 11:22 PM

Those who don't like the commercials must be Grumpy Old Poops. Lol

hyteckit 09-13-2013 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sal-Paradise (Post 61914416)
Seriously. I don't think I've ever owned a MS product that has died in the first 2 years. Mice, keyboards, etc.

The famous xbox 360 RROD?

frank10b 09-13-2013 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by myamex (Post 61911744)
bad pricing and poor marketing,

Nobody knows what Microsoft is trying do sell when they have a commercial showing a bunch of idiots dancing in the office.


yea if they spent more time working on great products rather than trying to figure out how to sell our personal data to the US government maybe they would actually build a well thought out os across all platforms.

cheap_bastid 09-13-2013 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hallowmann (Post 61913762)
I don't see why you guys think these are new. If they were, they'd just sell them as new, and they'd sell even faster at the same price. These say in the listing that they have a 1yr limited manufacturer warranty, which is the same as one you would buy new.

I really wouldn't be surprised if these are just manufacturer refurbs. A lot of times, people send models in to repair because of a software problem or their own inability to understand how something should work. It shouldn't be a surprise if these refurbs come looking like new. Its a lot like the Lenovo outlet refurbs that come like new with a 1yr warranty and in a Lenovo box that just says "Refurbished Product" on it.

I bit on this. We'll see how it works. Worst case scenario, I'll return it with free return shipping within the 30-day window.

By marking them as refurbs Microsoft maintains the market value of the remaining stock.

cheap_bastid 09-13-2013 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dzap (Post 61912432)
Ugh. I think I'm backing out after looking into it more. My #1 complaint with Windows Phone is that I can't install another real browser. Chrome and Firefox aren't available on it, and IE crashes on some sites for my frequently on Windows Phone.


And I just found out that Chrome isn't available for Windows RT. Neither does Firefox. I will not be forced to use IE again, like Windows Phone.


I'll wait for the full Windows 8 tablets. Good deal for others though!

I think you made the right call. I really enjoy my 32gb RT, but it lags and freezes like crazy. I switched back to my iPad 4 and it's amazing how much this thing flies...I feel so much freer on iPad Chrome.

Doing my second round of updates on the RT and man it takes forever!!

lbp775 09-13-2013 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nausicaa (Post 61911872)
B&N Nook HD+ for 110 (9in with 1080p).

I'm surprised these are still being purchased. At 79 buck or maybe 90 bucks its not bad, but not for what they're asking, especially when the 32 gig doesn't have as much usable memory as an iPad with 16GB, although it does have USB which is nice.

Don't forget the microSD slot. ;)

petard 09-13-2013 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hallowmann (Post 61913762)
I don't see why you guys think these are new. If they were, they'd just sell them as new, and they'd sell even faster at the same price. These say in the listing that they have a 1yr limited manufacturer warranty, which is the same as one you would buy new.

I really wouldn't be surprised if these are just manufacturer refurbs. A lot of times, people send models in to repair because of a software problem or their own inability to understand how something should work. It shouldn't be a surprise if these refurbs come looking like new. Its a lot like the Lenovo outlet refurbs that come like new with a 1yr warranty and in a Lenovo box that just says "Refurbished Product" on it.

I bit on this. We'll see how it works. Worst case scenario, I'll return it with free return shipping within the 30-day window.

If they sell them as new for $200 then no one is going to ever want to pay more than $200 for a new one again. People in this very thread are complaining that the 32GB bundle is $250 when it was $200 a couple weeks ago.

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61914542)
By marking them as refurbs Microsoft maintains the market value of the remaining stock.

Exactly

frank10b 09-13-2013 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61914542)
By marking them as refurbs Microsoft maintains the market value of the remaining stock.


exactly, MS just wrote down a whole sh-t load of surface tabs, one reason why the CEO is now gone and Gates is back part time....

think this will get cheaper?

oldmonk 09-13-2013 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kris259 (Post 61913254)
I wonder if these are really refurbs or if they are brand new and just being sold as refurbs to reduce stock ASAP and also make some of that "lost" money back in having shorter warranty periods (probably saves them a pretty penny in the long run, maybe not as much as they have lost so far on the surface though)

its with a full year warranty

out of the 4 I got last time all had refurb packing but 2 of the 4 tablets themselves did not have a refurb sticker... awesome buys in my opinion. I don't understand when peeps say app support and all. its all bs why would one spend .99 for a farting app is beyond me. for 200 - 250 its an incredible deal. I have had ipads, rooted kindle fires and all crap.. but connecting to my share on home network and consuming content and has been best on this since I got it last week. the videos run full screen it being 16:9.. awesome get one.

bubba111 09-13-2013 11:44 PM

Decided to take the plunge on the 16GB Surface + type cover when it was $200, and I am pleasantly surprised. Hands down the best value for $200 in tablet devices. Surface I received appeared to be brand new, just with several small "refurbished" stickers on the box and the back of the device.

Touch keyboard plus Microsoft Word allows me to use this as a work laptop replacement. I don't need many apps, so this is perfect for me otherwise.

IE 10 isn't the greatest, and I wish there were native Google apps, but the built-in e-mail client is surprisingly useful, and after updating, I haven't experienced any glitches or crashes.

For people with a certain set of needs, this is a great device.

cheap_bastid 09-13-2013 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmonk (Post 61914646)
its with a full year warranty

out of the 4 I got last time all had refurb packing but 2 of the 4 tablets themselves did not have a refurb sticker... awesome buys in my opinion. I don't understand when peeps say app support and all. its all bs why would one spend .99 for a farting app is beyond me. for 200 - 250 its an incredible deal. I have had ipads, rooted kindle fires and all crap.. but connecting to my share on home network and consuming content and has been best on this since I got it last week. the videos run full screen it being 16:9.. awesome get one.

Agreed, but it's soooo slooooooowwwwww. I tried to reply to you on my RT tablet, it just froze, so I'm composing this on my iPad instead.

LOL just had to resort to task manager to kill my stuck IE browser, awesome...

cheap_bastid 09-13-2013 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bubba111 (Post 61914684)
Decided to take the plunge on the 16GB Surface + type cover when it was $200, and I am pleasantly surprised. Hands down the best value for $200 in tablet devices. Surface I received appeared to be brand new, just with several small "refurbished" stickers on the box and the back of the device.

Touch keyboard plus Microsoft Word allows me to use this as a work laptop replacement. I don't need many apps, so this is perfect for me otherwise.

IE 10 isn't the greatest, and I wish there were native Google apps, but the built-in e-mail client is surprisingly useful, and after updating, I haven't experienced any glitches or crashes.

For people with a certain set of needs, this is a great device.

Agree, for $200 the hottest deal in town.

This concept has some great advantages. Version 2 will be even more awesome and competitive. But I'm looking at you, full windows Surface pro 2 tablet and the ASUS / Dell Bay Trail tablets...they should rock.

redshirt72 09-13-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sal-Paradise (Post 61914228)
Can anyone who got one from the last deal verify the quality of the product? There's been a bit of speculation that they are pretty much new and being sold as refurbs. Anyone get a Surface that was in pretty bad shape or horribly reduced battery life from this seller? Any complaints?

I got one, no scratches, battery life is fantastic. I'd have to agree about them being pretty much new, because it looked too flawless to have been used much, if at all. Only pain is intial updating took forever.

oldmonk 09-13-2013 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61914692)
Agreed, but it's soooo slooooooowwwwww. I tried to reply to you on my RT tablet, it just froze, so I'm composing this on my iPad instead.

lol you got to be passionate about something and I appreciate your passion for ipad.

fyi I own ipads/kindles/Hp touchpad and a surface RT 64 gb. price wise compare this $200 device to an ipad 1 you would find for $175-200 on craigslist which wont hold battery for more than 2 hrs :-). and likely in much worse condition, with no warranty

frank10b 09-13-2013 11:53 PM

So this is not the cover with the depressable keys? Is that an option?
How difficult to use is this one?

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by oldmonk (Post 61914754)
lol you got to be passionate about something and I appreciate your passion for ipad.

fyi I own ipads/kindles/Hp touchpad and a surface RT 64 gb. price wise compare this $200 device to an ipad 1 you would find for $175-200 on craigslist which wont hold battery for more than 2 hrs :-). and likely in much worse condition, with no warranty

What do you mean passion for iPad? I am merely stating factual experiences with my RT, and showing that my iPad is a lot more responsive.

No need to get defensive about the RT. I like it, but it is very slow.

My iPad 4 cost over $700 (paid for by my business) so of course it will blow away the RT, but I very much like my RT as a gadget toy.

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by frank10b (Post 61914758)
So this is not the cover with the depressable keys? Is that an option?
How difficult to use is this one?

I find it easy to use. I like it, but I'm a good touch typer...

Sal-Paradise 09-14-2013 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by hyteckit (Post 61914536)
The famous xbox 360 RROD?

Haha. Nope, bought one when they first were released in Japan (since I was living there at the time) and used it for 3.5 years before selling just before coming back stateside. Not once did I get a ring other than green.

(But your point is well taken! Lots of RRODs out there).

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61914830)
What do you mean passion for iPad? I am merely stating factual experiences with my RT, and showing that my iPad is a lot more responsive.

No need to get defensive about the RT. I like it, but it is very slow.

My iPad 4 cost over $700 (paid for by my business) so of course it will blow away the RT, but I very much like my RT as a gadget toy.

Haha, just because an Apple product has an excessively high price tag doesn't mean it's expected to (or does) blow away any sort of competition.

oldmonk 09-14-2013 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61914830)
What do you mean passion for iPad? I am merely stating factual experiences with my RT, and showing that my iPad is a lot more responsive.

No need to get defensive about the RT. I like it, but it is very slow.

its slow/less responsive in comparison to what? iPad 4? iPad 3, 2 or 1

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sal-Paradise (Post 61914856)

Haha, just because an Apple product has an excessively high price tag doesn't mean it's expected to (or does) blow away any sort of competition.

Agreed, in fact I started a thread in tech support predicting the demise of Apple. But that doesn't negate the fact that the Surface RT is slow.

Sal-Paradise 09-14-2013 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61914890)
Agreed, in fact I started a thread in tech support predicting the demise of Apple. But that doesn't negate the fact that the Surface RT is slow.

YMMV as for most things I suppose.

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by oldmonk (Post 61914868)
its slow/less responsive in comparison to what? iPad 4? iPad 3, 2 or 1

To anything.

Like I said, I tried to reply to your earlier post on my Surface Rt, and it just lagged / froze. I couldn't do anything except kill the browser with task manager. That is pretty bad by any standard.

B/B 09-14-2013 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61914830)
What do you mean passion for iPad? I am merely stating factual experiences with my RT, and showing that my iPad is a lot more responsive.

No need to get defensive about the RT. I like it, but it is very slow.

My iPad 4 cost over $700 (paid for by my business) so of course it will blow away the RT, but I very much like my RT as a gadget toy.

A gadget toy? You got to be kidding me. lol

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sal-Paradise (Post 61914906)
YMMV as for most things I suppose.

Unlikely, there are quite a few people who have complained about it. It's livable given the $200 price, but it is slow.

Anyone who says the RT is not slow is a freaking liar. That doesn't make the RT a bad tablet, but it does show the true nature of the device.

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Originally Posted by B/B (Post 61914916)
A gadget toy? You got to be kidding me. lol

You again, the Microsoft fan boy from the other 32gb thread, why am I not surprised??

petard 09-14-2013 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by hyteckit (Post 61914536)
The famous xbox 360 RROD?

Those STARTED dying in mass 2 years from release.

B/B 09-14-2013 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61914920)
Unlikely, there are quite a few people who have complained about it. It's livable given the $200 price, but it is slow.


You again, the Microsoft fan boy from the other 32gb thread, why am I not surprised??

Look people are sick and tired of your bs. You have stated your opinion in the other thread. State your opinion and move on.

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by B/B (Post 61914954)
Look people are sick and tired of your bs. You have stated your opinion in the other thread. State your opinion and move on.

I think you've got it the other way around, quite a few people have you on their ignore lists, troll. Those who read the other thread will realize that I speak the truth and you are a freaking troll.

I've got quite a few reps from people sick of your trolling. Your rep hasn't changed since the start of that thread, troll.

petard 09-14-2013 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by oldmonk (Post 61914868)
its slow/less responsive in comparison to what? iPad 4? iPad 3, 2 or 1

To all of them. Maybe not the original iPad with the latest software. But the Tegra 3 CPU inside is god awful. The Qualcomm based Windows RT tablets were a lot faster. The Tegra 3 just really sucks honestly.

But once the 2 hours of initial updates are done it's not too bad. Sometimes the browser will be unresponsive to touch for ~2 seconds while it loads a page though.

Overall it's very awesome and the only bad thing about it is the processor though for $200 for 32GB with the cover / 64GB without it's totally reasonable. At $250/$280 I might say hold off.

B/B 09-14-2013 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61914970)
I think you've got it the other way around, quite a few people have you on their ignore lists, troll. Those who read the other thread will realize that I speak the truth and you are a freaking troll.

You're wasting mine and other peoples time. Move on troll.

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by petard (Post 61914974)
To all of them. Maybe not the original iPad with the latest software. But the Tegra 3 CPU inside is god awful. The Qualcomm based Windows RT tablets were a lot faster. The Tegra 3 just really sucks honestly.

But once the 2 hours of initial updates are done it's not too bad. Sometimes the browser will be unresponsive to touch for ~2 seconds while it loads a page though.

Overall it's very awesome and the only bad thing about it is the processor though for $200 for 32GB with the cover / 64GB without it's totally reasonable. At $250/$280 I might say hold off.

Thank you. Recognize you from the other thread. I'm doing the last 600mb office update. It's going to be a while.

Our Microsoft shill B/B is here trolling again, preaching how Godly the Surface RT is...

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Originally Posted by B/B (Post 61914980)
You're wasting mine and other peoples time. Move on troll.

All anyone has to do is click on your username, look at your past posts, to see the truth.

Here's a post of you trolling to highly respected DZAP that he's wasting your time,when he was trying to understand your trolling: http://slickdeals.net/f/6249824-microsoft-surface-rt-10-6-tablet-refurbished-64gb-206-32gb-w-black-touch-cover-keyboard-199-free-shipping?p=61703532#post61703532

Good day, troll.

Sal-Paradise 09-14-2013 12:25 AM

Can we quit the troll name calling and keep the thread on track please?

Take your personal hatred for each other elsewhere. It doesn't need to be in a public forum.

B/B 09-14-2013 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61914994)
Thank you. Recognize you from the other thread. I'm doing the last 600mb office update. It's going to be a while.

Our Microsoft shill B/B is here trolling again, preaching how Godly the Surface RT is...


All anyone has to do is click on your username, look at your past posts, to see the truth.

Good day, troll.

And the same can be done viewing your posts. Good evening to you sir.

He's gone now we can stay on topic. BTW this has been a nice tablet. I received mine in what looks like in new condition. Very happy with my purchase. Try it for 30 days if you don't like it return it. Make your own decision.

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sal-Paradise (Post 61915014)
Can we quit the troll name calling and keep the thread on track please?

Take your personal hatred for each other elsewhere. It doesn't need to be in a public forum.

The guy is a troll: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=61703542&postcount=978

Not just me, he pissed off DZAP and others. He likes to antagonize people. A true definition of troll.

B/B 09-14-2013 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61915048)
The guy is a troll: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=61703542&postcount=978

Not just me, he pissed off DZAP and others. He likes to antagonize people. A true definition of troll.

Here we go again.

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by B/B (Post 61915078)
Here we go again.

Sorry if your trolling is exposed for all to see. I'm guessing you have nothing better than to pick fights with other people.

Sal-Paradise 09-14-2013 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61915048)
The guy is a troll: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=61703542&postcount=978

Not just me, he pissed off DZAP and others. He likes to antagonize people. A true definition of troll.

Yet you are doing nothing but egging him on. Let's move on please.

B/B 09-14-2013 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sal-Paradise (Post 61915092)
Yet you are doing nothing but egging him on. Let's move on please.

Yea I'm done with him or her. Sorry folks.

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sal-Paradise (Post 61915092)
Yet you are doing nothing but egging him on. Let's move on please.

Read the posts, he's the one who engaged me. I had nothing to do with him until he tried to troll me. I merely revealed his trolling. Now that he realizes that he is exposed, hopefully he can quit his crap.

The troll tried to play as if I'm the one trolling, and that simply is not going to be accepted. He sure knows how to push people's buttons, hope fully everyone will ignore his trolling now. I'm done defending myself and moving on.


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Originally Posted by dzap (Post 61703616)
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=problems+wit...ws+phone+8
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=problems+with+webos


What's your point? I'm done with trolls like you. At least try...


I'm just waiting for the Surface RT to come back so I can buy one. He is the one that started with this android crap. He's just an annoying troll on SD. He does it in a lot of android threads and then brings them up in Microsoft related threads for no reason.


But no worries..I'm going to add him to my block list now. I don't like seeing garbage.

DZAP, B/B tried to troll more in this thread as well. I'm going to block him just like you did.

Sal-Paradise 09-14-2013 12:39 AM

Anyway, I think this is a good price range to jump in for the 64GB, especially if it's "like new" as most people are reporting.

I'll wait though until we see exactly what the 2nd generation has to offer. Also, would like this deal better if it had the type cover since not everyone is interested in getting the touch cover with it.

(a COLOR OPTION for the type cover would ever be better for the next generation!)

B/B 09-14-2013 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61915110)
Read the posts, he's the one who engaged me. I had nothing to do with him until he tried to troll me. I merely revealed his trolling. Now that he realizes that he is exposed, hopefully he can quit his crap.

Move on.

Comp625 09-14-2013 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by buzz86us (Post 61913352)
I'd wait for the baytrail processors you get full x86 which means you can run different software and such I am hoping someone will make one of these with a wacom digitizer.

I bet Lenovo will make one with a Wacom digitizer, a la its Thinkpad Tablet 2 featuring the Atom z2760 processor.

hp79 09-14-2013 12:46 AM

I was one of those people standing in the short line (10 people) to grab this on release date. The bottom edge of the screen was not aligned correctly with the magnesium casing, and eventually I returned it because it was also noticeably slow/sluggish. I did like the kick stand a lot though. Now I have a Samsung XE500T, but that only gets used for inking in OneNote and also for scanning stuff because I have to plug in the USB cable to scan from my Canon MF5770.

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Comp625 (Post 61915148)
I bet Lenovo will make one with a Wacom digitizer, a la its Thinkpad Tablet 2 featuring the Atom z2760 processor.

I'd love to see that as well. The new windows tablets could instantly obsolete the iPads and Android tablets, save for causal gaming.

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by hp79 (Post 61915158)
I was one of those people standing in the short line (10 people) to grab this on release date. The bottom edge of the screen was not aligned correctly with the magnesium casing, and eventually I returned it because it was also noticeably slow/sluggish. I did like the kick stand a lot though. Now I have a Samsung XE500T, but that only gets used for inking in OneNote and also for scanning stuff because I have to plug in the USB cable to scan from my Canon MF5770.

Yes, it still is noticeably slow/sluggish, but at $200 nothing else can touch it. Windows 8.1 and IE11 hopefully will help it a little.

shinryu 09-14-2013 01:36 AM

Mildly tempting, but meh, my iPad 2 is probably better still. Now if this were for the Pro and not nerfed RT version, then yeah this'd be a hell of a deal since the Pro runs the full version, not this poor BS one. Only reason I'd consider RT is for the MS Office for school since it's more of a pain with iPad, but even then there's probably easier alternatives.

AznSwag 09-14-2013 01:53 AM

Rather hold out for the Asus transformer t100. Comes with a keyboard dock and is running the newest intel atom. Full Windows experience. And it costs 349 dollars for the 32gb model.

Sammich 09-14-2013 01:59 AM

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These things are pretty cool imo, I am actually surprised they were such a flop.
Try one.

Did you ever try the netbooks that were popular for a minute but then flopped because the hardware was too slow to handle even the most basic tasks like MS word and youtube? This is the same thing, minus the keyboard.

Owen 09-14-2013 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammich (Post 61915500)
Try one.

Did you ever try the netbooks that were popular for a minute but then flopped because the hardware was too slow to handle even the most basic tasks like MS word and youtube? This is the same thing, minus the keyboard.

Actually netbooks run on similar processors to the regular Windows tablets or at least mine had an Atom chip in it, the Surface RT runs on the slower Tegra cpu that is okay for ARM devices.

hunter44102 09-14-2013 03:58 AM

waiting for the $99 fire sale when they release the new versions

h1qual1ty 09-14-2013 04:28 AM

Have fun with the ghost town App Store.

And94 09-14-2013 04:40 AM

The price went up because people start to sell in craiglist higher and on SD

blazin 09-14-2013 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by h1qual1ty (Post 61915894)
Have fun with the ghost town App Store.

I have a Nexus 7, and yes tens of thousands of Android apps. Though, 99.8% is total and utter garbage. The only apps I mainly use are the big name ones that are available on every platform.

psyctto 09-14-2013 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by shinryu (Post 61915428)
Mildly tempting, but meh, my iPad 2 is probably better still. Now if this were for the Pro and not nerfed RT version, then yeah this'd be a hell of a deal since the Pro runs the full version, not this poor BS one. Only reason I'd consider RT is for the MS Office for school since it's more of a pain with iPad, but even then there's probably easier alternatives.

Surface Pro runs an i5... You're thinking of the Atom powered tablets, like the Latitude 10.
Don't confuse the two, they're very very different animals.

DealGypsy 09-14-2013 05:35 AM

MEH.. Sold mine a few days later....

hallowmann 09-14-2013 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61914542)
By marking them as refurbs Microsoft maintains the market value of the remaining stock.

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Originally Posted by petard (Post 61914604)
If they sell them as new for $200 then no one is going to ever want to pay more than $200 for a new one again. People in this very thread are complaining that the 32GB bundle is $250 when it was $200 a couple weeks ago.

That makes the assumption that first off these "Manufacturer Certified" is actually Microsoft, which isn't completely clear. It could even be a microsoft certified merchant or something like that, which wouldn't really feel compelled to do something solely for the purpose of protecting microsoft's bottom line.

It also makes the assumption that a random ebay merchant selling a bunch of them for a certain price (mainly to SDers) would significantly affect the entire Surface RT market. This post and the previous one aren't the Touchpad firesale. Its not advertised everywhere by Microsoft, and its not at all retailers (B&M or online). As someone in this very thread said, people who got in on the last deal were successful at reselling their Surfaces for $300+ on ebay (when they go for $350 new from anywhere). There are still plenty of non-SDers willing to pay a little less than retail, in spite of thousands being sold by this ebay merchant.

When he sells a quarter of a million units or even a hundred thousand units, then I might agree with you. Right now though, I doubt this will significantly put a dent in their market.

outofstock 09-14-2013 06:30 AM

I got in on the $199 deal last time. Here's my Pros/Cons on it:

Pro:
+ Very solid hardware. The look and feel are top notch.
+ Touch Keyboard works better than expected.
+ Kickstand. It works and its convenient.
+ Widescreen. 10" wide is awkward but nice. Great for movies and tall for long docs.
+ Power Plug. Mentioning because its nice to see an AC adapter not stuck in the 90's.

Cons:
- Slow. Its not unusably slow but for a modern device then there is a noticeable lag on every task that is disappointing.

- Apps. There is a deficiency in both quality and quantity. Some people pretend Apps arent important but with an OS with such a poor browser then the lack of quality apps was surprisingly noticeable. You'll find most of what you need but for now there will be some gaps.

- Versatility. The touch cover version is a very awkward device because it's really not meant for a desk OR your lap. In your lap then there's no way to balance the Surface and type like you would a laptop. And on a desk it folds out nicely but now you're using a severely limiting touch keyboard. (I used the Type cover once and feel it improves the desktop experience by 100x but thats not what is included in this bundle.)

- Setup. I mention it is because initial setup takes hours and during that time your excitement turns into negativity. 20 initial updates. Reboot. 30 more. Reboot. 24 more. Reboot. Then a bunch of random 2-3 updates. Performance does increase with each batch so these are required but it literally took half the day and in the end it still feels like its a few updates short of hitting its potential. Hopefully 8.1 is a solid update for RT.


Overall, I feel that this is a decent product if you know what you are getting into. It does things that the others dont but if you own a modern tablet or laptop then you'll likely find yourself using those more because they feel more natural for their intended job. (For example, I actually read this deal on the Surface but, despite it having a keyboard, I still went to a laptop to type out this response.)

And as for the deal itself, the prices may be higher than last time but still are okay. Even though it is sold as refurbished I suspect mine was brand new because it was spotless and the "Refurb" sticker fell off once I unwrapped mine. So its a good product being sold by a great seller.

produke 09-14-2013 06:49 AM

these run Windows RT, not windows 8. hmmm

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by outofstock (Post 61916350)
I got in on the $199 deal last time. Here's my Pros/Cons on it:

Pro:
+ Very solid hardware. The look and feel are top notch.
+ Touch Keyboard works better than expected.
+ Kickstand. It works and its convenient.
+ Widescreen. 10" wide is awkward but nice. Great for movies and tall for long docs.
+ Power Plug. Mentioning because its nice to see an AC adapter not stuck in the 90's.

Cons:
- Slow. Its not unusably slow but for a modern device then there is a noticeable lag on every task that is disappointing.

- Apps. There is a deficiency in both quality and quantity. Some people pretend Apps arent important but with an OS with such a poor browser then the lack of quality apps was surprisingly noticeable. You'll find most of what you need but for now there will be some gaps.

- Versatility. The touch cover version is a very awkward device because it's really not meant for a desk OR your lap. In your lap then there's no way to balance the Surface and type like you would a laptop. And on a desk it folds out nicely but now you're using a severely limiting touch keyboard. (I used the Type cover once and feel it improves the desktop experience by 100x but thats not what is included in this bundle.)

- Setup. I mention it is because initial setup takes hours and during that time your excitement turns into negativity. 20 initial updates. Reboot. 30 more. Reboot. 24 more. Reboot. Then a bunch of random 2-3 updates. Performance does increase with each batch so these are required but it literally took half the day and in the end it still feels like its a few updates short of hitting its potential. Hopefully 8.1 is a solid update for RT.


Overall, I feel that this is a decent product if you know what you are getting into. It does things that the others dont but if you own a modern tablet or laptop then you'll likely find yourself using those more because they feel more natural for their intended job. (For example, I actually read this deal on the Surface but, despite it having a keyboard, I still went to a laptop to type out this response.)

And as for the deal itself, the prices may be higher than last time but still are okay. Even though it is sold as refurbished I suspect mine was brand new because it was spotless and the "Refurb" sticker fell off once I unwrapped mine. So its a good product being sold by a great seller.

Agree, another negative is the onscreen keyboard itself, where you have to manually bring it up a lot. And in landscape mode (the most intended usage), the keyboard obscures the text you are typing. In desktop mode.

voovoov 09-14-2013 07:10 AM

I start to like my Surface more and more. It can do a lot more than I know. For example It automatically installed wifi printer on home network, and I can print from the surface. I plugged in a USB DAC, now I am enjoying music via a amp.

frank10b 09-14-2013 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by psyctto (Post 61916072)
Surface Pro runs an i5... You're thinking of the Atom powered tablets, like the Latitude 10.
Don't confuse the two, they're very very different animals.

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Originally Posted by Owen (Post 61915742)
Actually netbooks run on similar processors to the regular Windows tablets or at least mine had an Atom chip in it, the Surface RT runs on the slower Tegra cpu that is okay for ARM devices.


so how is the processor on this?
If its atom slow its not worth it at all...

kennyminot 09-14-2013 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kevgret (Post 61911518)
hmmm 64GB with touch cover? I wonder how much lower this will go when the new versions arrive

They are going to drop like a rock.

The RT tablet was produced without a whole lot of foresight, and the result is that Microsoft needed to write off almost a billion dollars worth of expenses. The problem was that it was developed because ARM processors had far superior power management, so the thought was that it would help them compete with other tablets. Of course, shortly afterwards, Intel announced new mobile processors with similar power management capabilities, which means that the upcoming line of full Windows 8 tablets will basically be as functional as their RT brethren. Given the choice, most people are going to buy a full Windows 8 tablet over an RT one because it allows them to run desktop applications.

They are probably thousands of these things sitting around in warehouses. I'd think the price for a refurbished model will drop below $150 pretty quick. Even at that price, though, it's a questionable deal, largely because RT is pretty much dead. I wouldn't hold your breath expecting any operating system updates. The only thing that perhaps works in its favor is the fact that it comes with a somewhat complete version of Microsoft Office.

electrocuted 09-14-2013 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by frank10b (Post 61916682)
so how is the processor on this?
If its atom slow its not worth it at all...

its tegra 3 aka the most overhyped processor. IMO it sucks.

FrankRizzo2 09-14-2013 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by frank10b (Post 61916682)
so how is the processor on this?
If its atom slow its not worth it at all...

The processor is crippled, but the benefit is power management and long battery life. Windows 8 RT was designed to run on a device like this, so it runs okay. I say okay because for the most part it runs just fine, but it's definitely limited and there are times when you see how crippled it is.

I do find it much more usable than all of those old atom based 'netbooks' that were popular a few years ago. At least the software was designed from the beginning to work with ARM processors.

It's a weird Os to immerse yourself in. It's somehow comforting to find the desktop, file explorer, and command prompt - and yet the whole experience is rather disjointed and comes with a steep learning curve. I have enjoyed playing around with the one I picked up from the $199 deal, but the metro web browser won't even let me browse amazon's website.

cgigate 09-14-2013 08:09 AM

this time is slow sales

smartdeals 09-14-2013 08:17 AM

market saturated

petard 09-14-2013 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61916548)
Agree, another negative is the onscreen keyboard itself, where you have to manually bring it up a lot. And in landscape mode (the most intended usage), the keyboard obscures the text you are typing. In desktop mode.

You only need to bring it up manually in desktop mode in non-office programs. Why are you even using desktop mode on RT?

Rad777 09-14-2013 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by outofstock (Post 61916350)
I got in on the $199 deal last time. Here's my Pros/Cons on it:

Cons:
- Slow. Its not unusably slow but for a modern device then there is a noticeable lag on every task that is disappointing.

- I completely disagree. I have found the UI of the device to be very snappy. If you play any games on this device... You will quickly see the difference between this device and most sub $200 android tablets.

- Plus what Android device does true multi-tasking? None. The Surface does side-by-side multitasking, and does it well.

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Originally Posted by outofstock (Post 61916350)
- Apps. There is a deficiency in both quality and quantity. Some people pretend Apps arent important but with an OS with such a poor browser then the lack of quality apps was surprisingly noticeable. You'll find most of what you need but for now there will be some gaps.

-I do agree that the store is somewhat lack-luster, but I have found equivalents of all my Android apps, Adobe Photo Express is pretty good btw.

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Originally Posted by outofstock (Post 61916350)
- Versatility. The touch cover version is a very awkward device because it's really not meant for a desk OR your lap. In your lap then there's no way to balance the Surface and type like you would a laptop. And on a desk it folds out nicely but now you're using a severely limiting touch keyboard. (I used the Type cover once and feel it improves the desktop experience by 100x but thats not what is included in this bundle.)

It is not a laptop, please do not compare it to a laptop. People forget this is a tablet, with laptop like features. Also, the screen cover is a flipping KEYBOARD. Really? You are complaining about a feature that no one else can offer?
-The touch cover is very responsive, even in my lap. However, you are correct, the touch cover is meant for a table/flat surface - as are most keyboards.....

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Originally Posted by outofstock (Post 61916350)
- Setup. I mention it is because initial setup takes hours and during that time your excitement turns into negativity. 20 initial updates. Reboot. 30 more. Reboot. 24 more. Reboot. Then a bunch of random 2-3 updates. Performance does increase with each batch so these are required but it literally took half the day and in the end it still feels like its a few updates short of hitting its potential. Hopefully 8.1 is a solid update for RT.

- I agree, the initial setup of updates took a few hours. However, look at the bright side, they are actively making it better.

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Originally Posted by outofstock (Post 61916350)
And as for the deal itself, the prices may be higher than last time but still are okay. Even though it is sold as refurbished I suspect mine was brand new because it was spotless and the "Refurb" sticker fell off once I unwrapped mine. So its a good product being sold by a great seller.

-Agreed, these are actually brand new

Benybrady 09-14-2013 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BishoyN (Post 61911430)
Call Liquidation Services if you have any issues. They actually have great phone customer service. They lost track of my package, so I called and they immediately offered to overnight me another one.

Bad sign if within the first 4 posts, people didnt get theirs and they were lost. Did u end up getting yours next day?

masterz13 09-14-2013 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by frank10b (Post 61916682)
so how is the processor on this?
If its atom slow its not worth it at all...

It's a Tegra 3 1.3ghz quad core. What is odd is that flash content lags if you are doing anything else. So if I'm watching a YouTube video and use my finger to scroll down, the video stutters. I feel like that is just a shame. 1080p video can play fine in full screen, but there are some micro stutters at times. I am hoping IE11 + Windows 8.1 resolves these issues.

Sharpey 09-14-2013 08:58 AM

http://mashable.com/2013/07/19/su...t-failure/

So You want to buy Surface Pro not RT....

If you want a Windows tablet that is...

surgemaster786 09-14-2013 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FrankRizzo2 (Post 61916888)
I have enjoyed playing around with the one I picked up from the $199 deal, but the metro web browser won't even let me browse amazon's website.

I think you might have broken something, in my experience the metro ie is more powerful than the desktop one and is pretty excellent. The desktop one has way more options, but metro has way more compatibility. I've had zero problems with it.

Lasers 09-14-2013 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by aznhero913 (Post 61911086)
i think these were 199 not too long ago...

Ya I got the 32gb one for 199 about 2 weeks ago. Quick impressions.. Not quite good enough to be a full tablet or a full laptop but the PERFECT compliment to both. They may drop even lower soon but I wouldn't mind paying the 279/249.

Microsoft office, remote desktop, and halo spartan assault (w/wired 360 controller) are worth it alone to me

halfrless 09-14-2013 09:31 AM

Current prices are not unreasonable for folks to buy and try for themselves. (And may discourage resellers.)

If enough of these tablets can be sold and folks begin using them, we may see a greater focus on their advantages.

But a lot of folks will find them less useful -- and the money might be better applied towards a full featured laptop.

halfrless 09-14-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Benybrady (Post 61917142)
Bad sign if within the first 4 posts, people didnt get theirs and they were lost. Did u end up getting yours next day?

These were shipped from multiple locations. Mine was fairly close and with standard shipping, it arrived next business day via UPS ground. (And 1,800+ ordered before me.)

outofstock 09-14-2013 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rad777 (Post 61917094)
It is not a laptop, please do not compare it to a laptop. People forget this is a tablet, with laptop like features. Also, the screen cover is a flipping KEYBOARD. Really? You are complaining about a feature that no one else can offer?

Huh?

1) Microsoft never said "this is a tablet, with laptop like features", you made that up and it doesnt make sense because the Surface Pro has the same form factor but is clearly not a tablet. These are hybrid devices that share traits with both tablets/laptops so any comparison is valid.

2) My mention of "laptop" had nothing to do with speed, power or anything unreasonable. It was in reference to the awkwardness of trying to type while not on a desk which is far from being some crazy thing to mention when discussing a product that comes with a keyboard.

3) Keyboard cases have existed for years so this is not "a feature that no one else can offer". Microsoft did a good job with the keyboard cover but lets not act as if MS invented anything here.

RHannosh619 09-14-2013 09:52 AM

How can anyone honestly complain about Windows RT. You can't install "full-mac" programs on an iPad, as is the case with Windows RT.

I got mine, and its flawless. I actually bought a new one from best buy prior to seeing the 200$ deal a few weeks ago, so I returned it from best buy. I have seen absolutely no difference. I love the surface, it's the best tablet I have ever used. The desktop mode honestly makes it feel like its a real laptop.

B/B 09-14-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RHannosh619 (Post 61917946)
How can anyone honestly complain about Windows RT. You can't install "full-mac" programs on an iPad, as is the case with Windows RT.

I got mine, and its flawless. I actually bought a new one from best buy prior to seeing the 200$ deal a few weeks ago, so I returned it from best buy. I have seen absolutely no difference. I love the surface, it's the best tablet I have ever used. The desktop mode honestly makes it feel like its a real laptop.


Exactly you have the best of both worlds. It amazes me how some people come on these surface threads and bash a very good product. BTW limited quantities left.

PrjctArchAngel 09-14-2013 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RHannosh619 (Post 61917946)
How can anyone honestly complain about Windows RT. You can't install "full-mac" programs on an iPad, as is the case with Windows RT.

I got mine, and its flawless. I actually bought a new one from best buy prior to seeing the 200$ deal a few weeks ago, so I returned it from best buy. I have seen absolutely no difference. I love the surface, it's the best tablet I have ever used. The desktop mode honestly makes it feel like its a real laptop.

Thank you very much, I am happy someone came out and said it! You can comfortably browse websites without having the cut-down mobile version of the site and you can comfortably write up reports and such using the full MS office and a keyboard and mouse. You cannot comfortably do this on an android or ios device.

As far as a tablet goes I believe that this is the closest tablet, at the moment, to being an actual computer. And at the current price, this beats the hell out of a chromebook.

Since I've got my surface on the 199.99 deal I have not being back to my iPad. If I wanted a lot of fun little games to play I would go back to my iPad, but for business or schoolwork surface takes the cake.

dbpaddler 09-14-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by outofstock (Post 61917888)
Huh?

2) My mention of "laptop" had nothing to do with speed, power or anything unreasonable. It was in reference to the awkwardness of trying to type while not on a desk which is far from being some crazy thing to mention when discussing a product that comes with a keyboard.

Used it on my lap last night. Wasn't that bad with the type cover, amd it only fell over once.

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Originally Posted by outofstock (Post 61917888)
3) Keyboard cases have existed for years so this is not "a feature that no one else can offer". Microsoft did a good job with the keyboard cover but lets not act as if MS invented anything here.

And how many keyboard cases are a direct connection and not bluetooth? Also keeping in mind they require charging, are not as neatly integrated and rarely have a trackpad. So your point was what again?

babutiger 09-14-2013 11:04 AM

To anyone interested, check out the SD thread for a Dell XPS 64 GB tablet (refurb) with Windows RT/Office 365 and keyboard dock for $235. Reviews are overall above average and, as was stated before, makes for a suitable work/school device.

Sharpey 09-14-2013 11:46 AM

Because Ipad has very well eastablished ecosystem. It has largest selection of good apps like no other. Windows RT can not offer such. Not even close. However it would make up for such weakness if it had full desktop compatibility. Sales figure reflects it clearly. Now do not prohibit people from voicing against Windows RT because at least general buyers would give more thoughts rather then spending money and time and suffer from buyers remorse. Let all opinions be heard and let each individual decide for the best. No need to fight over Windows RT. Even critics say Windows RT failed but if you think otherwise. Good for you. But please do not attack others because they do not feel the same way.

cheap_bastid 09-14-2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by petard (Post 61917034)
You only need to bring it up manually in desktop mode in non-office programs. Why are you even using desktop mode on RT?

I prefer the desktop mode so that's what I use. Really don't like metro all that much.

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Originally Posted by babutiger (Post 61918662)
To anyone interested, check out the SD thread for a Dell XPS 64 GB tablet (refurb) with Windows RT/Office 365 and keyboard dock for $235. Reviews are overall above average and, as was stated before, makes for a suitable work/school device.

Good to know...checking it out. Thanks. repped.

el31415 09-14-2013 12:19 PM

What was the launch price and date of these ?

bchill 09-14-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DontEatChalk (Post 61911804)
oh my god i hadn't seen the commercial until after i read this, :lmao:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7UlE-o8DQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2KPQNP1Z1s

I thought the dancing was pretty good. The guy on one arm is pretty amazing:cool:

dbpaddler 09-14-2013 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61919356)
I prefer the desktop mode so that's what I use. Really don't like metro all that much.

I use desktop with office and IE. Referencing from email in the browser and working in word. I like the free form multitasking over metro's way. I prefer working my way than how someone else tells me I have to do it.

halfrless 09-14-2013 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61919356)
I prefer the desktop mode so that's what I use. Really don't like metro all that much. ...

Me too.

The only task I use metro for is to search for programs and settings, which I used to be able to find/select in the start menu. Metro makes me fumble around like I do when I try to do a simple task on a Mac -- perhaps that is its purpose.

I noticed the Dell flyer in the newspaper had no mention of Windows 8. Every system was listed with Windows 7 installed. (Perhaps other PC builders are also doing this.) I had mostly been looking at used and refurbs, so that I could avoid Windows 8.

chiaxa2911 09-14-2013 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hallowmann (Post 61913762)
I don't see why you guys think these are new. If they were, they'd just sell them as new, and they'd sell even faster at the same price. These say in the listing that they have a 1yr limited manufacturer warranty, which is the same as one you would buy new.

I really wouldn't be surprised if these are just manufacturer refurbs. A lot of times, people send models in to repair because of a software problem or their own inability to understand how something should work. It shouldn't be a surprise if these refurbs come looking like new. Its a lot like the Lenovo outlet refurbs that come like new with a 1yr warranty and in a Lenovo box that just says "Refurbished Product" on it.

I bit on this. We'll see how it works. Worst case scenario, I'll return it with free return shipping within the 30-day window.

think about it this way, if you label these at new and sell with a very cheap price compare to the original price, the company will lose its face to the public and everyone will think this company will be out of business soon. Eventually, the company's stock price will go down and it will start losing more money.............

chiaxa2911 09-14-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DealGypsy (Post 61916116)
MEH.. Sold mine a few days later....


i was thinking the same after i got the table (32 +keyboard 199$), but after I did all the updates, now it got everything i need; watching avi, mp4 movie, mkv flawlessly, netflix, microsoft office, and even flash on internet explore is working perfectly for me, I can watch online movie on every sites that i used to watch on my laptop. :) for 200 bucks i think it is giving more than what i have expected!

chiaxa2911 09-14-2013 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DealGypsy (Post 61916116)
MEH.. Sold mine a few days later....

even now, I can connect my surface rt to 2 of my wireless printer to print which I was never be able to do with android tablet or ipad before. :) I love it :)

BrotherBear 09-14-2013 01:59 PM

stupid question but how do u stop the screen from locking after 5 minutes of inactivity?

AndoX 09-14-2013 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chiaxa2911 (Post 61920136)
i was thinking the same after i got the table (32 +keyboard 199$), but after I did all the updates, now it got everything i need; watching avi, mp4 movie, mkv flawlessly, netflix, microsoft office, and even flash on internet explore is working perfectly for me, I can watch online movie on every sites that i used to watch on my laptop. :) for 200 bucks i dont think it is giving more than what i have expected!

what are you using to watch mkv?

Ace42 09-14-2013 04:02 PM

I've been debating all day whether to buy one of these. I recently got a laptop with a Intel P9700 and I feel as if this would be a downgrade for me. I love the form factor, but I really don't care for Tegra 3. Any suggestions?

chiaxa2911 09-14-2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AndoX (Post 61920768)
what are you using to watch mkv?


I am using mobile.HD to watch mkv file, i have many big mkv files like 3, 4gb but this app played all of them really well. I believe you cannot search this app on MS store, just google mobile.HD Microsoft store and follow the link to open the app in MS store.

Owen 09-14-2013 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace42 (Post 61921832)
I've been debating all day whether to buy one of these. I recently got a laptop with a Intel P9700 and I feel as if this would be a downgrade for me. I love the form factor, but I really don't care for Tegra 3. Any suggestions?

I would wait till October 18 to see all the new 8.1 tablets as the price on this bundle won't be going up once those new tablets are out. The Surface 2 and Surface 2 Pro will probably be out on that date as well.

B/B 09-14-2013 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherBear (Post 61920564)
stupid question but how do u stop the screen from locking after 5 minutes of inactivity?

Go into desktop mode choose settings/ control panel/ power options/ change when the computer sleeps

If you want to disable password login propt at boot I did this. http://www.windows8core.com/how-t...ows-8-rtm/

I'm looking into purchasing a micro hdmi to dvi cable and the cheapest is on ebay from Chinese sellers. Anyone find one at a decent price? I don't want to wait three weeks from china.

AndoX 09-14-2013 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chiaxa2911 (Post 61921842)
I am using mobile.HD to watch mkv file, i have many big mkv files like 3, 4gb but this app played all of them really well. I believe you cannot search this app on MS store, just google mobile.HD Microsoft store and follow the link to open the app in MS store.

Thanks,,,,

Microsoft needs to make their apps free...

kwadguy 09-14-2013 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shinryu (Post 61915428)
Mildly tempting, but meh, my iPad 2 is probably better still. Now if this were for the Pro and not nerfed RT version, then yeah this'd be a hell of a deal since the Pro runs the full version, not this poor BS one. Only reason I'd consider RT is for the MS Office for school since it's more of a pain with iPad, but even then there's probably easier alternatives.

No, there is no good alternative to Office, if you are doing anything other than writing text with minimal formatting. It isn't "more of a pain" with the iPad. It isn't possible with the iPad. The iPad is a toy. A nice toy. But a toy. Not a productivity tool, if your productivity requires generation of documents.

NODES 09-14-2013 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AndoX (Post 61923348)
Thanks,,,,

Microsoft needs to make their apps free...

:lmao:

masterz13 09-15-2013 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by chiaxa2911 (Post 61920136)
i was thinking the same after i got the table (32 +keyboard 199$), but after I did all the updates, now it got everything i need; watching avi, mp4 movie, mkv flawlessly, netflix, microsoft office, and even flash on internet explore is working perfectly for me, I can watch online movie on every sites that i used to watch on my laptop. :) for 200 bucks i dont think it is giving more than what i have expected!

What do you use for MKV files?

Parker1974 09-15-2013 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by masterz13 (Post 61930854)
What do you use for MKV files?

fyi, from the last page...

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Originally Posted by AndoX (Post 61920768)
what are you using to watch mkv?

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiaxa2911 (Post 61921842)
I am using mobile.HD to watch mkv file, i have many big mkv files like 3, 4gb but this app played all of them really well. I believe you cannot search this app on MS store, just google mobile.HD Microsoft store and follow the link to open the app in MS store.


cgigate 09-15-2013 09:14 AM

same group Microsoft idiots held iphone funeral three years ago for their Windows 7 phone, now Windows 7 phone dead nowhere, iPhone is till strong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z...ata_player

cheap_bastid 09-15-2013 12:28 PM

I was debating on buying this 64gb tablet after loving my 32gb tablet. Was debating giving the 32gb tablet to my family and using the 64gb.

But after some analysis I think I'm going to wait. First of all, I got the 32gb tablet w/ touch cover for $200. To get another 32gb on top of that is not worth the extra $80 cost. I can just get a cheap 32gb or 64gb MicroSD card for the additional storage.

Secondly, with the cripple RT functionality, there's not really much use I'm going to make of the extra storage anyway. I have 13gb free on my 32gb Surface RT, but I don't see how I'm going to use all of it up all of a sudden, as I don't really see many apps worth downloading on the Windows 8 app store. There's no way just using Office that I'll fill up 10gb of space quickly.

So 32gb seems to be more than adequate for me, and paying an extra $80 for the 64gb is not worth it. The 64gb tablet w/ touch cover bundle needs to be around $240 or so to be worth it, imho.

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Originally Posted by cgigate (Post 61931700)
same group Microsoft idiots held iphone funeral three years ago for their Windows 7 phone, now Windows 7 phone dead nowhere, iPhone is till strong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z...ata_player

Very funny!!! :bounce:

Nausicaa 09-15-2013 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dbpaddler (Post 61912598)
Sorry, own the HD+, and I don't see you being correct anywhere in your post.

None of the Android office apps compare to real office, and I've used most of them on many different tablets. The HD+ is no speed demon. Doesn't have a keyboard dock, and even if you use a bluetooth one, it most likely has no track pad, isn't as responsive as a direct connected one and requires charging as well as not being integrated to the tablet.

Windows RT is better than multitasking, has a better browser, and the capability of desktop brings it closer to a real computing experience.

And with a 64gb card you have more storage than an ipad, and it's even more attractive cost wise when comparing the combo of 96 or 128gb compared to the 64gb ipad.

So USB, card slot, office and a completely integrated keyboard with touchpad solution pretty much trump quite a bit if you are more concerned with productivity than pure apps.

For this price then, why not just a refurb laptop or ultrabook? You'd get programs instead of apps, and for only a bit more a refurb vivobook would be much better. I agree it depends on what you use it for, but a tablet is to be light and not do too much while having great battery life. I think tablets are better for fun and apps although the iPad 3 I have fails in this aspect since it is so heavy.

Personally I use an iPad when I am too lazy to get out of bed and to play games, have the same app on my iPhone or don't want to disconnect my laptop from charging.

bunburying 09-15-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chiaxa2911 (Post 61920136)
i was thinking the same after i got the table (32 +keyboard 199$), but after I did all the updates, now it got everything i need; watching avi, mp4 movie, mkv flawlessly, netflix, microsoft office, and even flash on internet explore is working perfectly for me, I can watch online movie on every sites that i used to watch on my laptop. :) for 200 bucks i dont think it is giving more than what i have expected!

what app are you using to play mkv?

bunburying 09-15-2013 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bunburying (Post 61935310)
what app are you using to play mkv?

sorry nevermind,...I kept reading and found the answer.

KiinGPurP 09-15-2013 05:33 PM

this is killing my ability to resell from the original deal... :(

shinryu 09-15-2013 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kwadguy (Post 61925806)
No, there is no good alternative to Office, if you are doing anything other than writing text with minimal formatting. It isn't "more of a pain" with the iPad. It isn't possible with the iPad. The iPad is a toy. A nice toy. But a toy. Not a productivity tool, if your productivity requires generation of documents.

Troll much? Plenty of other alternatives you know...

teflonrico 09-15-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KiinGPurP (Post 61937642)
this is killing my ability to resell from the original deal... :(


You win some... you lose some...

FrankRizzo2 09-15-2013 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by surgemaster786 (Post 61917410)
I think you might have broken something, in my experience the metro ie is more powerful than the desktop one and is pretty excellent. The desktop one has way more options, but metro has way more compatibility. I've had zero problems with it.


Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate your experience and will give it another shot.

I have certainly found that the metro IE works better with touch and it's nice to be able to fall back on the standard IE to use with the touch cover as a mini laptop. Unfortunately I find that the metro IE hangs all the time and often takes so long to load all the pictures (such as on Amazon's site) that it's essentially unusable and unresponsive. I will admit that I haven't put much time into it, so again I thank you for your insight.

B/B 09-15-2013 07:33 PM

I use desktop ie more than mobile ie. I'm sure with the offical 8.1 upgrade both will get much better. :)

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Originally Posted by KiinGPurP (Post 61937642)
this is killing my ability to resell from the original deal... :(

Can't say I didn't tell you so. lol

kwadguy 09-15-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shinryu (Post 61937682)
Troll much? Plenty of other alternatives you know...

Last I looked, telling someone that they're full of S--t in a thread where they posted negative stuff about the item being discussed is the opposite of troll.

Clearly, reading comprehension isn't your best subject. You might want to take that up when you get to 11th grade.

outofstock 09-15-2013 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kwadguy (Post 61925806)
No, there is no good alternative to Office, if you are doing anything other than writing text with minimal formatting. It isn't "more of a pain" with the iPad. It isn't possible with the iPad. The iPad is a toy. A nice toy. But a toy. Not a productivity tool, if your productivity requires generation of documents.

Well thats an arbitrary condition. Claiming "the iPad isn't a productivity tool...if your productivity requires generations of documents" is like saying "the surface isn't a tool...if you have all your music files saved in Garage Band" or a "car isn't a transportation vehicle... if you are crossing a river".

Just because a product isn't the "best" at something doesnt mean they are incapable so why try to declare only one way to be the "right way"? And in the case of Office then if I had an important document then I wouldnt be running to an iPad OR a Surface. I'd go to an actual computer because all these things are capable devices but not necessarily ideal.

pidge 09-16-2013 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap_bastid (Post 61934174)
I was debating on buying this 64gb tablet after loving my 32gb tablet. Was debating giving the 32gb tablet to my family and using the 64gb.

But after some analysis I think I'm going to wait. First of all, I got the 32gb tablet w/ touch cover for $200. To get another 32gb on top of that is not worth the extra $80 cost. I can just get a cheap 32gb or 64gb MicroSD card for the additional storage.

Secondly, with the cripple RT functionality, there's not really much use I'm going to make of the extra storage anyway. I have 13gb free on my 32gb Surface RT, but I don't see how I'm going to use all of it up all of a sudden, as I don't really see many apps worth downloading on the Windows 8 app store. There's no way just using Office that I'll fill up 10gb of space quickly.

So 32gb seems to be more than adequate for me, and paying an extra $80 for the 64gb is not worth it. The 64gb tablet w/ touch cover bundle needs to be around $240 or so to be worth it, imho.


Very funny!!! :bounce:

Same here. Although I'd rather have 64GB, there just aren't enough apps to use all of the current storage i have on my 32GB however I do love my refurb Surface RT.

cgigate 09-16-2013 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by B/B (Post 61939226)
I use desktop ie more than mobile ie. I'm sure with the offical 8.1 upgrade both will get much better. :)



Can't say I didn't tell you so. lol

LOL,win 8.1 is even worse, win 8 os was DOA at day one

kwadguy 09-16-2013 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by outofstock (Post 61942280)
Well thats an arbitrary condition. Claiming "the iPad isn't a productivity tool...if your productivity requires generations of documents" is like saying "the surface isn't a tool...if you have all your music files saved in Garage Band" or a "car isn't a transportation vehicle... if you are crossing a river".

Just because a product isn't the "best" at something doesnt mean they are incapable so why try to declare only one way to be the "right way"? And in the case of Office then if I had an important document then I wouldnt be running to an iPad OR a Surface. I'd go to an actual computer because all these things are capable devices but not necessarily ideal.

Right: If the place you work or go to school requires you to generate music demos, then I'd say the iPad is a better choice.

If the place you work or go to school requires you to generate papers, documents, presentations, etc. then I'd say the Surface is a better choice.

Most people I know fall into the second category. But if you go to a music trade school, maybe not.

cgigate 09-16-2013 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by psyctto (Post 61947956)
shinryu,
for reference...
this is what a troll actually looks like, see below.
kwadguy is the exact opposite. perhaps a little boning up on what the term "troll" means is in order?

if you believe in windows 8, you can purchase them all for resale, it will too good for you troll

psyctto 09-16-2013 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cgigate (Post 61948958)
if you believe in windows 8, you can purchase them all for resale, it will too good for you troll

i have a Win8 Pro tablet and Win8 on my HTPC, both are fantastic for their uses. the Win8 tablet totally trumps my Android tablet, that's since become largely useless... it's basically a controller now for my Crestron hardware.

Win7 on a touchscreen, tablet or convert laptop, was pretty bad... a kludge at best. Win8/Metro is fantastic though, i have no complaints about it, does everything i've asked it to do.

kwadguy 09-16-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by psyctto (Post 61949116)
i have a Win8 Pro tablet and Win8 on my HTPC, both are fantastic for their uses. the Win8 tablet totally trumps my Android tablet, that's since become largely useless... it's basically a controller now for my Crestron hardware.

Win7 on a touchscreen, tablet or convert laptop, was pretty bad... a kludge at best. Win8/Metro is fantastic though, i have no complaints about it, does everything i've asked it to do.


Yeah, for an on-the-go toss-in device I now use either a Chromebook or a Surface RT. I have a bunch of Android tablets at home, but I don't find myself using any of them.

(Full full blown work use, I still use a laptop).


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