The Greenest Show on Earth: Democrats Gear Up for Denver

[paperboy05]

Quote from bonkman : I'm tired to. What I wrote probably isn't coherent, much less understandable They wanted goods that were union-made and organic. I'm assuming that this means their intentions were to get goods that were grown, harvested, and produced "fairly." This last word is their predominant message, along with the "green" stuff. So if the company they were buying from had a union and the production level but still used slave labor for harvesting, they probably wouldn't be used.

Gotcha, makes much more sense. Thanks bonk.

[bonkman]

Quote from paperboy05 : Gotcha, makes much more sense. Thanks bonk.

no prob <-- never too early for a drink.

[paperboy05]

Quote from bonkman : no prob <-- never too early for a drink.

I agree.

[CheapASCII]

Hmmm. Jumby beads are red. Eat em' up, dems.

[darkfrog]

Quote from Radeck : actually, i heard they are NOT able to find caps and tshirts that they want, because they specify that organic cotton be used, and that union labor made them...well, nobody has such a product, so im sure they will find a way to get themselves off the hook on that requirement

Why are they stuck on organic cotton? They should be using hemp, being that it's more environmentally friendly.

[bonkman]

Quote from darkfrog : Why are they stuck on organic cotton? They should be using hemp, being that it's more environmentally friendly.

it's less comfortable. not to mention that, since it's a weed, it's only more "environmentally friendly" if it's contained.

[darkfrog]

Quote from bonkman : it's less comfortable. not to mention that, since it's a weed, it's only more "environmentally friendly" if it's contained.

Less comfortable according to whom? I have hemp shorts and t-shirts which are just as soft and comfy as any cotton product.
Agricultural hemp actually controls weeds and has other benefits with regards to soil erosion and pest control. If you can give any evidence that it is an invasive or nuisance crop in any country that grows industrial hemp, please cite your source or give a link please. If it is not an invasive species (cannabis is listed as a noxious weed by a few states most likely due to it's illegal nature but none list it as an invasive plant AFAIK), the only other definition for a weed would be an undesirable plant out-competing for the crop or plants that you are attempting to grow. If hemp is the primary crop, then it cannot be a weed.

The only reason I can see that hemp wouldn't be used is the DEA's puritanical stance that even the minuscule, non-psychoactive amounts of THC present in hemp is enough to make growing it illegal under the Controlled Substance Act, making it necessary to import hemp products from other countries.

[castawaygator]

Going green is good.

i am sure denver will appear very green with all the bums off the grass, by hiding them in the movie theaters, zoos, etc

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/...cket-duri/

[bonkman]

Quote from darkfrog : Less comfortable according to whom? I have hemp shorts and t-shirts which are just as soft and comfy as any cotton product. Agricultural hemp actually controls weeds and has other benefits with regards to soil erosion and pest control. If you can give any evidence that it is an invasive or nuisance crop in any country that grows industrial hemp, please cite your source or give a link please. If it is not an invasive species (cannabis is listed as a noxious weed by a few states most likely due to it's illegal nature but none list it as an invasive plant AFAIK), the only other definition for a weed would be an undesirable plant out-competing for the crop or plants that you are attempting to grow. If hemp is the primary crop, then it cannot be a weed. The only reason I can see that hemp wouldn't be used is the DEA's puritanical stance that even the minuscule, non-psychoactive amounts of THC present in hemp is enough to make growing it illegal under the Controlled Substance Act, making it necessary to import hemp products from other countries.

while comfort is technically a matter of perception, cotton is cooler, finer, and stretchier. [cyarn.com]

I could well be mistaken about the weed thing, as it was something I found awhile in one of the decriminalization threads, so I don't remember my source. It could well have been a govt site. A quick google search shows that most sites that claim this are govt, though on the flip side, most sites that claim opposite are pro-weed sites How does it control weeds? From what I read, it "controls" them by starving them of sunlight, which doesn't control weeds -- it controls all other plants dependent on sunlight.

However, I believe you're correct that the reason why it's not used is the DEA.

[castawaygator]

Quote from darkfrog : Less comfortable according to whom? I have hemp shorts and t-shirts which are just as soft and comfy as any cotton product. Agricultural hemp actually controls weeds and has other benefits with regards to soil erosion and pest control. If you can give any evidence that it is an invasive or nuisance crop in any country that grows industrial hemp, please cite your source or give a link please. If it is not an invasive species (cannabis is listed as a noxious weed by a few states most likely due to it's illegal nature but none list it as an invasive plant AFAIK), the only other definition for a weed would be an undesirable plant out-competing for the crop or plants that you are attempting to grow. If hemp is the primary crop, then it cannot be a weed. The only reason I can see that hemp wouldn't be used is the DEA's puritanical stance that even the minuscule, non-psychoactive amounts of THC present in hemp is enough to make growing it illegal under the Controlled Substance Act, making it necessary to import hemp products from other countries.

i will say it is less comfortable! not as soft as cotton, and in some products scratchy. i think its best left to rope making not clothing.
if you like it use it but it is purely opinion based!
as for the term weed, perhaps it's because of how it can grows rapidly like a weed.

[darkfrog]

Quote from castawaygator : i will say it is less comfortable! not as soft as cotton, and in some products scratchy. i think its best left to rope making not clothing. if you like it use it but it is purely opinion based! as for the term weed, perhaps it's because of how it can grows rapidly like a weed.

It may be the quality of the fiber that you have tried. I have seen hemp clothing that feels course and probably uncomfortable and I wouldn't buy it but I have some that after a wash or two, are soft, smooth and very comfortable. But you're right, it is all opinion. Some people like wool, I don't.

As for being an invasive weed, I have checked the Federal Noxious Weed listing http://www.invasive.org/weeds.cfm and cannabis is not on there. Here's another reference that leaves it out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...s#Plants_6
I have only seen it on individual state lists. If it was truly invasive, it would be on many more states and probably the federal list as well. Weed is a slang term

[bonkman]

Quote from darkfrog : As for being an invasive weed, I have checked the Federal Noxious Weed listing http://www.invasive.org/weeds.cfm and cannabis is not on there. Here's another reference that leaves it out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...s#Plants_6 I have only seen it on individual state lists. If it was truly invasive, it would be on many more states and probably the federal list as well. Weed is a slang term

Do you happen to know the species used off the top of your head? I can't remember for sure. There are a few hemp and/or cannabis species on the first list (search hemp or "cannab"), including cannabis sativa, marijuana. I thought that industrial hemp was a derivative of sativa, bred to have less THC, but I may be mistaken. There aren't any on the second list because it doesn't meet the definition of an introduced species [wikipedia.org], a requirement to get on the list.

[darkfrog]

Quote from bonkman : Do you happen to know the species used off the top of your head? I can't remember for sure. There are a few hemp and/or cannabis species on the first list (search hemp or "cannab"), including cannabis sativa, marijuana. I thought that industrial hemp was a derivative of sativa, bred to have less THC, but I may be mistaken. There aren't any on the second list because it doesn't meet the definition of an introduced species [wikipedia.org], a requirement to get on the list.

C. ruderalis I think is a subspecies of sativa and that is considered the wild form, or ditch weed. It does not flower on a light cycle so some hybrids have been made with indica strains to produce autoflowering plants. Sativa is both used in industrial hemp as well as marijuana cultivation. The biggest difference is cultivating female plants only, away from all male plants, keeping THC levels high and seed production low in the drug strains (C. sativa subsp. indica). Hemp for fiber (C. sativa, subsp. sativa) has long been selected for that trait, losing the ability to make enough delta-9 to be psychoactive. So it isn't that it was bred for low THC but was a by-product of cultivation.

[General Ghoul]

Quote from darkfrog : Why are they stuck on organic cotton? They should be using hemp, being that it's more environmentally friendly.

Dude, that's the Libertarian party.

[bonkman]

Quote from darkfrog : C. ruderalis I think is a subspecies of sativa and that is considered the wild form, or ditch weed. It does not flower on a light cycle so some hybrids have been made with indica strains to produce autoflowering plants. Sativa is both used in industrial hemp as well as marijuana cultivation. The biggest difference is cultivating female plants only, away from all male plants, keeping THC levels high and seed production low in the drug strains (C. sativa subsp. indica). Hemp for fiber (C. sativa, subsp. sativa) has long been selected for that trait, losing the ability to make enough delta-9 to be psychoactive. So it isn't that it was bred for low THC but was a by-product of cultivation.

so then it would be considered a noxious weed.