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  • Old 11-20-2009, 02:08 PM #31
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    Quote from z2g View Post :
    Do ppl actually believe this? Seriously?

    Hence, this is why his approval rating is so low. Ppl have this weird perspective. If you ask anyone in other parts of the world, they would laugh at the notion that the U.S. government wants health care reform to have more control over its citizens. As a health care provider who has most to lose, even I have to laugh at that idea!
    Yeah, you're right! 53% of Americans are against the bill and 33% support it:

    The Democratic Party’s trillion dollar healthcare plan is opposed by 53% of the American people, while only 33% support the bill, according to the latest Fox News poll. Yet, it seems that the Democrats do not care what the American people really want on this issue. [bayoubuzz.com]

    It must be the minority and those altrustic politicians pushing another bohemic social plan through that should bear the greatest weight!
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    Old 11-20-2009, 02:08 PM #32
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    Well, I don't know about Reid and Pelosi, but I would assume that Obama is doing it for the better good. Why else would he try to do it when every President who tried has failed and have gotten hit in the approval ratings for trying in the past?
    They take a hit in approvals because it's something that people don't want.

    I don't want the government dictating where and when I can get healthcare. Many other countries have single payer systems, but you have to wait, six months, twelve months and sometimes even longer for care. If it's not an emergency, it can wait.
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    Old 11-20-2009, 02:13 PM #33
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    Yeah, you're right! 53% of Americans are against the bill and 33% support it:

    The Democratic Party’s trillion dollar healthcare plan is opposed by 53% of the American people, while only 33% support the bill, according to the latest Fox News poll. Yet, it seems that the Democrats do not care what the American people really want on this issue. [bayoubuzz.com]

    It must be the minority and those altrustic politicians pushing another bohemic social plan through that should bear the greatest weight!
    Hello? It's because most Americans already have insurance coverage. And typically, they don't want change if it can possibly increase their taxes. Add the fact that you get a lot of misinformation about how it's about government control and socialistic, of course you're going to get more ppl against it.

    As stated, I am certainly in the position to oppose this. I have two factors....I'm a health care provider and a business owner. I am just aghast by what Americans are saying about this. Sure.....use the argument that the reforms will increase taxes or increase our national deficit. Or, that health care reform won't work. Those are all fine arguments or reasons. However, to say it's because it's all about government control or some other malign reason, it's just irrational.

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    Old 11-20-2009, 02:22 PM #34
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    Quote from z2g View Post :
    Hello? It's because most Americans already have insurance coverage. And typically, they don't want change if it can possibly increase their taxes. Add the fact that you get a lot of misinformation about how it's about government control and socialistic, of course you're going to get more ppl against it.

    As stated, I am certainly in the position to oppose this. I have two factors....I'm am a health care provider and a business owner. I am just aghast by what Americans are saying about this. Sure.....use the argument that the reforms will increase taxes or increase our national deficit. Or, that health care reform won't work. Those are all fine arguments or reasons. However, to say it's because it's all about government control or some other malign reason, it's just irrational.
    you're fighting a losing battle here. i totally agree with what you're saying, but the fact is that a majority of americans prioritize their own well being above and beyond the well being of everyone else. i approve of what obama is trying to accomplish even though i'll become an enemy of 95% of TP. maybe the timing of everything does make a difference, had we not been in a recession and he tried to get this passed, we might be at 60% instead of below 50%. everyone's edgy about the recession although I don't know how many people complaining here have actually been affected by it, because I sure haven't. all i've seen is a huge influx of slick deals.
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    Old 11-20-2009, 02:26 PM #35
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    Quote from lulu8585 View Post :
    you're fighting a losing battle here. i totally agree with what you're saying, but the fact is that a majority of americans prioritize their own well being above and beyond the well being of everyone else. i approve of what obama is trying to accomplish even though i'll become an enemy of 95% of TP. maybe the timing of everything does make a difference, had we not been in a recession and he tried to get this passed, we might be at 60% instead of below 50%. everyone's edgy about the recession although I don't know how many people complaining here have actually been affected by it, because I sure haven't. all i've seen is a huge influx of slick deals.
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to argue for health care reform. My comments are just to address my views on the anti-health care reform stance. As I keep stating again and again, I'm actually against health care reform due to my profession and my business. But, even I can see their argument as a fallacy or ruse....just your typical political scare tactic.
     
    Old 11-20-2009, 02:32 PM #36
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    Well, I don't know about Reid and Pelosi, but I would assume that Obama is doing it for the better good. Why else would he try to do it when every President who tried has failed and have gotten hit in the approval ratings for trying in the past? Maybe I'm just naive and have faith that ppl can be inherently good....my bad.
    Because a small subset of his base wants him to.
     
    Old 11-20-2009, 02:42 PM #37
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    Because a small subset of his base wants him to.
    See...that's another good argument. I just can't believe he's doing it because he wants bigger government and Big Brother looking over you and your doctors' shoulder.
     
    Old 11-20-2009, 02:42 PM #38
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    Hello? It's because most Americans already have insurance coverage. And typically, they don't want change if it can possibly increase their taxes. Add the fact that you get a lot of misinformation about how it's about government control and socialistic, of course you're going to get more ppl against it.
    Bingo! So all this is is an entitlement program where the majority of the populuation will pay for the minority of the population. Guess what...add government control with the public option and this is socialism. You talk about a lot of misinformation and you are right, just listen to any Democrat trying to defend a bill they have never even read. It is like me telling you what the book "War and Peace" is all about when I have never read it and then you coming along and criticizing a bunch of people who have actually read it. So you honest to God think any Politician is going to read a 2000 page bill and then understand it? Honestly? Sorry but it is people who are actually reading the bill who are criticizing it fairly. How many of the 2000+ pages have you read? If you answer "0", what makes you believe the bill is as fundamentally sound and altruistic as you are passing it off to be?

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    As stated, I am certainly in the position to oppose this. I have two factors....I'm a health care provider and a business owner. I am just aghast by what Americans are saying about this. Sure.....use the argument that the reforms will increase taxes or increase our national deficit. Or, that health care reform won't work. Those are all fine arguments or reasons. However, to say it's because it's all about government control or some other malign reason, it's just irrational.
    The moment you called it reforms cued me into the fact that you don't even know what the bill is about. This is a taxpayer funded, government mandated health insurance run by the same entity that can't get less complicated programs like the postal service, medicare, social security, etc. right...but yeah, this plan which will costs in the $100 of billions annually will finally be the one social program they get right! x infinity! If they were really interested in reform, they would pass a bill focusing on reforming the current social programs that are failing, not promising to give us another failing program!

    Quote from lulu8585 View Post :
    you're fighting a losing battle here. i totally agree with what you're saying, but the fact is that a majority of americans prioritize their own well being above and beyond the well being of everyone else. i approve of what obama is trying to accomplish even though i'll become an enemy of 95% of TP. maybe the timing of everything does make a difference, had we not been in a recession and he tried to get this passed, we might be at 60% instead of below 50%. everyone's edgy about the recession although I don't know how many people complaining here have actually been affected by it, because I sure haven't. all i've seen is a huge influx of slick deals.

    If the plan would be too impossible to fund during a recession, why would it be less costly when we recover? Once again, the plan forces more national debt or higher taxes...and sadly and most likely both!
     
    Old 11-20-2009, 04:54 PM #39
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    his numbers are down because rightwingers believe that palin could do a better job

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    Old 11-20-2009, 04:57 PM #40
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    his numbers are down because rightwingers believe that palin could do a better job

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    Old 11-20-2009, 08:10 PM #41
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    A little sample of whats to come is the latest commercials on women health care-you no longer need yearly mammograms or pap tests. I guess the obama care is already in action? And the liberals and lefty's say nothing about this?
     
    Old 11-21-2009, 12:46 AM #42
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    The commercials are springing from studies that are coming out and have absolutely nothing to do with any political affiliations. Some of the idiocy in this thread is beyond astounding.
     
    Old 11-21-2009, 09:04 AM #43
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    Quote from scp443 View Post :
    I think his approval ratings are down because of negative propaganda and people regurgitating what they see on Hannity.
    Yeah that's it:
    A.) Hannity's show caused
    B.)no wait it was Beck's show
    C.) or maybe it is a covert attack from George Bush??
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    Sorry I will have to go with choice
    D.) HE IS A HACK POLITICIAN WHO HATES AMERICA!
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    Old 11-21-2009, 10:49 AM #44
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    49% is still way to high should be like 5% if media did not do the DOH-bama smoke screen
     
    Old 11-22-2009, 06:20 PM #45
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    I respect Obama for immediately wanting to get to work, you certainly can't call him lazy.
    Actually, I think you can call him lazy.

    The legislative branch has been doing the heavy lifting.

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