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  • Old 11-20-2009, 01:20 PM #16
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    Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey View Post :
    Well. The real question is, why are you deflecting from the fact that the majority of Americans no longer approve of your Messiah?
    Come on, you're better than this. I expect inflammatory BS that contributes nothing from some people here, but not you.

    As for his poll numbers? He's probably risking more political capital than he's accumulated. People are mad about the economy, healthcare, the trials in New York, cap and trade, and many other policies.

    I respect Obama for immediately wanting to get to work, you certainly can't call him lazy. But he's probably trying to push through too many things at once, and paying the price for it. Of course, there's good reason to do it now, so his numbers can recover before 2012.
     
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    Old 11-20-2009, 01:23 PM #17
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    I think his approval ratings are down because of negative propaganda and people regurgitating what they see on Hannity.
    And Beck, Limbaugh and the rest of the right-winged smear brigade.


    That and we're in a RECESSION. As the recovery continues to take hold, i think you'll see a reversal of these trends.
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    Old 11-20-2009, 01:23 PM #18
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    Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey View Post :
    Well. The real question is, why are you deflecting from the fact that the majority of Americans no longer approve of your Messiah?
    Well you could be right in that I missed the real question. Perhaps the real question is why his rating went up from 50% to 51% and then back down to 50%.
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    Old 11-20-2009, 01:30 PM #19
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    It's understandable. He's trying to push for health care reform which was his priority. I guarantee that if he didn't make it is number one agenda, his numbers wouldn't be this low. Throw in the fact that you have a lot of misinformation out there and the rich opposing health care reform, of course his popularity is going to plummet. And, he and everyone else knew this coming in. That's why they did this when his numbers were still up.

    Is he doing an excellent job? I don't know. He's sure trying hard to get things done in government. And, I have to commend him for that.

    Note, I'm a health care provider AND business owner. So, it's a double whammy for me that I should oppose health care reform and Obama. Yet, I don't have ill will towards him because he's trying to do this for the better good.
     
    Old 11-20-2009, 01:31 PM #20
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    Quote from lobo411 View Post :
    Well you could be right in that I missed the real question. Perhaps the real question is why his rating went up from 50% to 51% and then back down to 50%.
    Let's stop being facetious and address how he's fallen over 10 points in the past 10 months.
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    Old 11-20-2009, 01:41 PM #21
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    Quote from z2g View Post :
    It's understandable. He's trying to push for health care reform which was his priority. I guarantee that if he didn't make it is number one agenda, his numbers wouldn't be this low. Throw in the fact that you have a lot of misinformation out there and the rich opposing health care reform, of course his popularity is going to plummet. And, he and everyone else knew this coming in. That's why they did this when his numbers were still up.

    Is he doing an excellent job? I don't know. He's sure trying hard to get things done in government. And, I have to commend him for that.

    Note, I'm a health care provider AND business owner. So, it's a double whammy for me that I should oppose health care reform and Obama. Yet, I don't have ill will towards him because he's trying to do this for the better good.
    Sorry but I call bullshit on this one . If he were doing this for the better good, the health bill would only have 5 provisions:

    1) No dropped coverage
    2) Interstate competition for insurance
    3) Focus on frivolous or extreme lawsuits to lower ACTUAL HEALTHCARE COSTS
    4) Set mandatory common sense laws that any hospital receiving government money can't charge $50 for a tylenol or charge $1800 for just the room (does not account for other expenses) when a freaking 5 star hotel costs a fraction of that and has pay porn!
    5) Prove that you can fight the fraud now in Medicare so Americans believe you will actually do it for the first time EVER instead of appeasing us by saying that is what you are going to do.

    What this is is not a health bill but a taxpayer health insurance bill. It does nothing to fix the problem, just provides a means for taxpayers to foot the bill and the government to exercise greater control of our lives!!!
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    Old 11-20-2009, 01:41 PM #22
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    Let's stop being facetious and address how he's fallen over 30 points in the past 10 months.
    30 points? whaa?
     
    Old 11-20-2009, 01:43 PM #23
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    30 points? whaa?
    Yes

    Typo, you caught me. Thanks, I fixed it.
     
    Old 11-20-2009, 01:47 PM #24
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    Bush is not on that list primarily b/c of 9/11. Just saying.

    Anywho - Barry is trying to do too much in too little time with too little political capital. How can one honestly say that increasing taxes and doubling-down on spending helps the private sector and economy? People are losing jobs, homes, etc and all they see is Obama going on tours and doing nothing and Pelosi and Reid babbling over healthcare and ignoring their (the peoples') opinions (e.g. town halls). Promises are being broken left and right (such as all the "transparency" we were supposed to have) and people are beginning to realize that their elected officials only care about lining their pockets and keeping the gravy train rolling.
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    Old 11-20-2009, 01:50 PM #25
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    Sorry but I call bullshit on this one . If he were doing this for the better good, the health bill would only have 5 provisions:

    1) No dropped coverage
    2) Interstate competition for insurance
    3) Focus on frivolous or extreme lawsuits to lower ACTUAL HEALTHCARE COSTS
    4) Set mandatory common sense laws that any hospital receiving government money can't charge $50 for a tylenol or charge $1800 for just the room (does not account for other expenses) when a freaking 5 star hotel costs a fraction of that and has pay porn!
    5) Prove that you can fight the fraud now in Medicare so Americans believe you will actually do it for the first time EVER instead of appeasing us by saying that is what you are going to do.

    What this is is not a health bill but a taxpayer health insurance bill. It does nothing to fix the problem, just provides a means for taxpayers to foot the bill and the government to exercise greater control of our lives!!!
    Are you serious? With any legislation, politicians have to compromise. If they can do what they desire, of course all those provisions would be included. But, how can this bill tackle your points #3, 4, 5? That's super overhauling the health care system in America. And, there's no way it's gonna pass. So, you can only take babystep and start with small compromises first.

    And, why else would Obama want to accomplish this (health care reform)? Of course, it's to cover ALL Americans...hence, for the better good. Do I want change? NO, because it may affect my practice and profits. However, even I can see that it's for the benefit of all Americans!

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    Old 11-20-2009, 01:51 PM #26
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    Yes he can pull out of it.

    The question is will he?
     
    Old 11-20-2009, 01:52 PM #27
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    Quote from Hurricane View Post :
    Sorry but I call bullshit on this one . If he were doing this for the better good, the health bill would only have 5 provisions:

    1) No dropped coverage
    2) Interstate competition for insurance
    3) Focus on frivolous or extreme lawsuits to lower ACTUAL HEALTHCARE COSTS
    4) Set mandatory common sense laws that any hospital receiving government money can't charge $50 for a tylenol or charge $1800 for just the room (does not account for other expenses) when a freaking 5 star hotel costs a fraction of that and has pay porn!
    5) Prove that you can fight the fraud now in Medicare so Americans believe you will actually do it for the first time EVER instead of appeasing us by saying that is what you are going to do.

    What this is is not a health bill but a taxpayer health insurance bill. It does nothing to fix the problem, just provides a means for taxpayers to foot the bill and the government to exercise greater control of our lives!!!
    This bill is a government control bill. They want more control of everyone's lives. Like most government benevolence it's done under the guise of "helping the people". Want to help me? Stop telling me how to live my life.
     
    Old 11-20-2009, 01:54 PM #28
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    Quote from Dr. J View Post :
    This bill is a government control bill. They want more control of everyone's lives. Like most government benevolence it's done under the guise of "helping the people". Want to help me? Stop telling me how to live my life.
    Do ppl actually believe this? Seriously?

    Hence, this is why his approval rating is so low. Ppl have this weird perspective. If you ask anyone in other parts of the world, they would laugh at the notion that the U.S. government wants health care reform to have more control over its citizens. As a health care provider who has most to lose, even I have to laugh at that idea!

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    Old 11-20-2009, 01:57 PM #29
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    Quote from z2g View Post :
    Do ppl actually believe this? Seriously?
    Well, there certainly are a number of people ignorant and think that Barack, Reid and Pelosi actually give two shits about their healthcare
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    Old 11-20-2009, 02:04 PM #30
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    Well, there certainly are a number of people ignorant and think that Barack, Reid and Pelosi actually give two shits about their healthcare
    Well, I don't know about Reid and Pelosi, but I would assume that Obama is doing it for the better good. Why else would he try to do it when every President who tried has failed and have gotten hit in the approval ratings for trying in the past? Maybe I'm just naive and have faith that ppl can be inherently good....my bad.
     
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