Best Small Gaming TV (32" or smaller)

[azianai]

Quote from Cigolorp : I currently have HD running into my tv/monitor - it functions absolutely fine as an HDTV. The tuner works perfectly, HD looks perfect. While the viewing angles ARE poor, the OP stated that he wants something he can sit in a chair and play games on. This would put him directly in front of the monitor, so that's moot. If he's planning on having multiple people playing off of this, then, yes, he may have problems. And if he's going to do that, then I recommend a larger screen. When you're viewing something at this size, then you make certain concessions. He's also mentioned about audio out, so I doubt speakers are much of a concern. The speakers aren't fantastic, but that's pretty par for the course with televisions. He can go drop the 50 bucks that he'll save on this versus the 720p tv and buy speakers that will dwarf the sound of the 720p Samsung. I'll put it like this, if you're going to do only console gaming, then who cares about 720 versus 1080, even at this size. If there's a chance that you'll hook a PC up to this, then go 1080, hands down. It depends on what you're going to use this for. There are disadvantages to going this route, but from what I've gathered from his posts, he won't run into those.

the problem is, the 1080p on the samsung doesn't look better than the 720p on a normal TV.
And yes this is comparing my T240 in 1080p with my Panasonic 720p 32"
Using the PS3 and Pirates of the Caribbean 3 as a control setting, the image just looks off on my T240HD, no matter how much calibration i do.
I can't recommend these TV Tuner Monitors for TV if you care about image quality.

Quote from Phrozt : So.. what you're saying is that it's a pretty great HD TV!

im saying for the $$ you're spending getting a 1080p TV at less than 32" is ridiculous and doesn't look better than the 720p/1080i of a 32".
And im saying its a pretty great monitor
god phrozt, are you just trying to act like ICK?

[Cigolorp]

Quote from tsaijo : the problem is, the 1080p on the samsung doesn't look better than the 720p on a normal TV. And yes this is comparing my T240 in 1080p with my Panasonic 720p 32" Using the PS3 and Pirates of the Caribbean 3 as a control setting, the image just looks off on my T240HD, no matter how much calibration i do. I can't recommend these TV Tuner Monitors for TV if you care about image quality. im saying for the $$ you're spending getting a 1080p TV at less than 32" is ridiculous and doesn't look better than the 720p/1080i of a 32". And im saying its a pretty great monitor god phrozt, are you just trying to act like ICK?

I honestly haven't run very many video sources into my Samsung to compare. What I have run into it, I've been impressed with. So I'll trust you on this one.

I use mine primarily as a PC gaming monitor, and for that, I'm blown away. I know someone else with the same model as I have (different model than I listed), and they also have raved about it.

As far as $ goes, it's cheaper than the corresponding 720p, so it's not like you're paying for more pixels. As I said before, if you're going to use this for only console gaming, then go with the 720p. Very few console games run higher than that. If you're going to use it for PC gaming (and possibly as a monitor), then go with the 1080p. My Samsung produces very good images, and if your source can push the 1080, then go with it. And I'm speaking for purely a gaming standpoint - things get quite a bit cleaner in PC games when you're going from 1366x768 to 1920x1200 (not to mention gained screen real estate if you're using desktop apps). I didn't catch if the OP mentioned what type of gaming he plans on doing on his purchase.

Mainly I'm just throwing this out there because it does have advantages over some of the other listings based on how it will be used.

[azianai]

Quote from Cigolorp : I honestly haven't run very many video sources into my Samsung to compare. What I have run into it, I've been impressed with. So I'll trust you on this one. I use mine primarily as a PC gaming monitor, and for that, I'm blown away. I know someone else with the same model as I have (different model than I listed), and they also have raved about it. As far as $ goes, it's cheaper than the corresponding 720p, so it's not like you're paying for more pixels. As I said before, if you're going to use this for only console gaming, then go with the 720p. Very few console games run higher than that. If you're going to use it for PC gaming (and possibly as a monitor), then go with the 1080p. My Samsung produces very good images, and if your source can push the 1080, then go with it. And I'm speaking for purely a gaming standpoint - things get quite a bit cleaner in PC games when you're going from 1366x768 to 1920x1200 (not to mention gained screen real estate if you're using desktop apps). I didn't catch if the OP mentioned what type of gaming he plans on doing on his purchase. Mainly I'm just throwing this out there because it does have advantages over some of the other listings based on how it will be used.

we agree on that, the monitor's great for PC gaming.
I really like my T240 @ 16:10 ratio's 1920 X 1200, but when watching movies/TV shows, i really want to throw it out and buy a Dell Ultrasharp or HP 2407.
console/TV/video viewing, not so much.

But im very hesitant on recommending TN panels for multi-purpose (PC/console/tv)

[Phrozt]

Quote from tsaijo : god phrozt, are you just trying to act like ICK?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm

[Cigolorp]

Quote from tsaijo : we agree on that, the monitor's great for PC gaming. I really like my T240 @ 16:10 ratio's 1920 X 1200, but when watching movies/TV shows, i really want to throw it out and buy a Dell Ultrasharp or HP 2407. console/TV/video viewing, not so much. But im very hesitant on recommending TN panels for multi-purpose (PC/console/tv)

Do you have issues with native display since you're running 16:10? I have the 2333HD, and it's 16:9.

My only complaints would be that I thought the Xbox Dashboard looked a little grainy (which is strange because I was outputting at 1080p). Black levels are nothing to write home about (pretty par for the course) and the bottom vertical viewing angle is poor. Other than that, I've always been impressed with the picture/brightness/color.

[azianai]

Quote from Phrozt : http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm

just wondering cause the last few posts of yours have been pure spam lol
even more than usual

Quote from Cigolorp : Do you have issues with native display since you're running 16:10? I have the 2333HD, and it's 16:9. My only complaints would be that I thought the Xbox Dashboard looked a little grainy (which is strange because I was outputting at 1080p). Black levels are nothing to write home about (pretty par for the course) and the bottom vertical viewing angle is poor. Other than that, I've always been impressed with the picture/brightness/color.

only problem is the black bar as i don't force it to 16:9
if i smash it to 16:9, it gets all mushed and just doesn't look right.

[desrtrnnr]

Quote from tsaijo : just wondering cause the last few posts of yours have been pure spam lol even more than usual only problem is the black bar as i don't force it to 16:9 if i smash it to 16:9, it gets all mushed and just doesn't look right.

maybe the search for mrs phrozty didnt go well on holloween

[Phrozt]

Quote from desrtrnnr : maybe the search for mrs phrozty didnt go well on holloween

There was no search.. I had my son.

[chooseausername]

Quote from tsaijo : being a WXGA IPS panel, i'd jump on it. http://www2.panasonic.com/consume...0000005702 for 400 if it ships free its a good buy. i bought my panasonic TC - 32LX85 for 700 last year and have no regrets at all color/performance wise. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014CV92G

Thanks!

I think I'm going to get this guy

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-V..._e_title_1

$20 cheaper, free ipod loading dock that I will never use, slightly higher contrast ratio (+ still free shipping and no tax)

I'd rep you if I could but you can't on this side of the forum?

[willow_twf]

target has a sale on the top of the Vizio line 26" VL260M - http://slickdeals.net/forums/show...?t=1640148 - just $287.10 plus tax with free shipping

[azianai]

nope can't rep in gamer's, only hot deals, tech support, and somewhere else.

[willow_twf]

i just ordered the front page deal for the Vizio VL260M. it was $307 shipped and should arrive early next week. i'll post my review of it then. it has an 8ms response time (not the fastest) 1.06 billion color gamut, and both optical audio out (so you can use a mixamp/headphone setup and get surround sound) as well as a simple headphone jack on the side of the monitor (so you can use standard stereo headphones if you're gaming on the cheap)

the best thing about the deal is you have a full 90 days to return it to any Target store for a refund. so if you get it, realize it's too small and/or sucks for what you paid then you take it back.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/show...?t=1640148

[Phrozt]

eek.. what types of games are you going to play? If you're doing FPSs (especially dark ones), you're going to notice that lag...

[willow_twf]

Quote from Phrozt : eek.. what types of games are you going to play? If you're doing FPSs (especially dark ones), you're going to notice that lag...

well that's why i ordered it after checking to make sure i can take it back to any target store for a refund. the 8ms response time listed by vizio could very well be the same as a 4ms response time listed by another company as there are literally no, repeat no, industry standards for measuring pixel response time. there's even a lot of chatter that the response time is turning into the new refresh (60hz 120hz 240hz) rate or contrast ratio wars where companies pull seemingly random numbers out of thin air and only kinda sorta maybe back them up with real science.

until there is a concrete way to have televisions independently rated and cataloged there is simply no way to find out if a tv is good enough for you without first hand knowledge. you'll never really know until you plug in your gaming system and play something with fast action (like COD4, Halo 3, DiRT, GRID etc.)

[ssjmichael]

Quote from willow_twf : well that's why i ordered it after checking to make sure i can take it back to any target store for a refund. the 8ms response time listed by vizio could very well be the same as a 4ms response time listed by another company as there are literally no, repeat no, industry standards for measuring pixel response time. there's even a lot of chatter that the response time is turning into the new refresh (60hz 120hz 240hz) rate or contrast ratio wars where companies pull seemingly random numbers out of thin air and only kinda sorta maybe back them up with real science.

Yep you're right about that. The same with contrast ratio too. And just like you said, you can always return it to Target. I think they have like a 90 day return policy too (might vary for TV's)