MSI Twin Frozr III GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Core 1280MB GDDR5 PCI Express Video Card + NBA 2K11 PC Game $200 after $50 rebate + Free Shipping (expired)

Quote from The_Doug : I'm confused, how does a 448 core GTX 560Ti top a 480 core GTX 570? People keep saying that, but both cards overclock, so that card doesn't really play (unless you argue this card OC's a little bit higher). But they both have the same stock clock. And this stock 18MHz "OC" isn't enough to push it past any 570.

I asked the same thing in other threads.....

570 overclocks "less" because it puts out more heat... which sort of makes sense.

Every card overclocks differently, some may get more and some less. There's no guarantee that you'll overclock a 560 more than a 570, but that chances are slightly better since it runs cooler. At least that's the theory.

If you read around some forums both cards should easily OC well into the ~900mhz range. Which pretty much puts the cards neck and neck.

Quote from The_Doug : I'm confused, how does a 448 core GTX 560Ti top a 480 core GTX 570? People keep saying that, but both cards overclock, so that card doesn't really play (unless you argue this card OC's a little bit higher). But they both have the same stock clock. And this stock 18MHz "OC" isn't enough to push it past any 570.

In my experience this card will overclock much more than a 570 will. I built a compute for someone and with +150mw voltage it will run 1019 on the core clock. Which when scored is about what a fully overclocked 570 will run. Yes it has less cores but with the substantial overclock it will preform at about the same level as an OC 570

Quote from norazi : did you completely ignore FXAA support? i personally have a Radeon 7950 but i plan on "downgrading" to the 660ti when it comes out due to native FXAA support on the geforce cards 560ti with FXAA will most likely be faster than a 7850 running 4x/8x MSAA its a no brainer to get the radeon if you dont plan on using anti aliasing

look, amd/ati can do fxaa just as good as nvideo. but amd/ati can do mlee and nvideo can't!!!

Not to threadcrap here .. this is an excellent deal on a GTX 560 ti. But why is Nvidia still so overpriced. I just bought the MSI 7850 (one tier above this card) for $209.99 after rebate with a game (Dirt Showdown - no longer being offered) and a free Norton Antivirus 2012 (one of the combos). I plan on selling both freebies making this card at least $20 cheaper. I normally don't have a preference for AMD/ATI cards but they are cheaper and that is why I buy them. Plus I rarely ever see freebies with Nvidia cards. At one point I was considering a GTX 570 but right now the 7850 is a better buy.

Quote from norazi : did you completely ignore FXAA support? i personally have a Radeon 7950 but i plan on "downgrading" to the 660ti when it comes out due to native FXAA support on the geforce cards 560ti with FXAA will most likely be faster than a 7850 running 4x/8x MSAA its a no brainer to get the radeon if you dont plan on using anti aliasing

your comparison 560 ti + 7850 is about right because they're about on the same level.

a 660ti vs a 7950 are NOT on the same level so... I wouldn't advise other people to necessarily do the asme thing as norazi. fxaa is just a faster implementation of anti-aliasing that takes up much less GPU power (aka more frames for indistinguishably the same picture). what's your 7950 clocked @?

Quote from The_Doug : I'm confused, how does a 448 core GTX 560Ti top a 480 core GTX 570? People keep saying that, but both cards overclock, so that card doesn't really play (unless you argue this card OC's a little bit higher). But they both have the same stock clock. And this stock 18MHz "OC" isn't enough to push it past any 570.

The 560 ti 448 core editions are notorious for having high overclocking headroom. Just don't get a stock card like I did, the EVGA 448 FTW edition which only has a 4phase power VRM setup. I only hit 895mhz but my 3dmark11 scores show I'm somewhere in 570 territory.

This cooler however is vastly superior in terms of cooling & quieter. I actually did this to my FTW edition to drop my load temps to 62C max. And drop the noise. With the twin frozr, I doubt there's much reason for you to disassemble this 448 and slab it up with a 620/H series because... the cooler is QUALITY STUFF.

http://www.overclock.net/t/120352...ka-the-mod
http://www.overclock.net/t/123721...se-badges/

This is a good deal but not good enough to be a FP material. Recently, Newegg doesn't match up to Tigerdirect when it comes to video card deals. Tigerdirect had 560ti 448 cores for $160 about 2 weeks ago. Should have pulled the trigger on that one. I hate Slickdeals favoring Newegg too much.

for what i've seen on newegg really good reviews, but a lot of people are saying the card died after 2-3 months or even 1 day. something to do with the driver. look into it before buying.

Quote from flashfir : The 560 ti 448 core editions are notorious for having high overclocking headroom. Just don't get a stock card like I did, the EVGA 448 FTW edition which only has a 4phase power VRM setup. I only hit 895mhz but my 3dmark11 scores show I'm somewhere in 570 territory. This cooler however is vastly superior in terms of cooling & quieter. I actually did this to my FTW edition to drop my load temps to 62C max. And drop the noise. With the twin frozr, I doubt there's much reason for you to disassemble this 448 and slab it up with a 620/H series because... the cooler is QUALITY STUFF. http://www.overclock.net/t/120352...ka-the-mod http://www.overclock.net/t/123721...se-badges/

Only 895? Hmmm...I would expect higher than that since I expect GTX560Ti's (both editions) to OC like a GTX 460 (>25%).

I suppose this cooler is exceptional, but what I meant is when you compare it to a GTX 570 Twin Frozr III, the GTX 570 should OC quite well too, even if a bit less. I'd have to call in inaccurate to say the 448 is faster than a 570.

Quote from calc : I asked the same thing in other threads..... 570 overclocks "less" because it puts out more heat... which sort of makes sense. Every card overclocks differently, some may get more and some less. There's no guarantee that you'll overclock a 560 more than a 570, but that chances are slightly better since it runs cooler. At least that's the theory. If you read around some forums both cards should easily OC well into the ~900mhz range. Which pretty much puts the cards neck and neck.

What you're saying at the end is pretty much my sentiment--if both start at 732MHz and OC to 900MHz, then the GTX 570 should continue to outperform the GTX 560Ti by roughly 8%. So I guess whether you're a non-enthusiast who doesn't OC or a light OC'er, you aren't beating GTX 570 performance.

But I guess the importance of this card is for the heavy overclocker--who will push almost any GTX 560Ti 448 to 1000MHz at which point I would expect it to match a 900MHz GTX 570, not top it--and that's only if this scenario pans out. But that still doesn't put this card above a 570, which was the statement that initially seemed incorrect to me.

Why is this even FP? :s haven't GTX 570s have come close to this price?

And HD7850s are almost the same price but scale much better and have much better OC performance.

Quote from impaler13355 : In my experience this card will overclock much more than a 570 will. I built a compute for someone and with +150mw voltage it will run 1019 on the core clock. Which when scored is about what a fully overclocked 570 will run. Yes it has less cores but with the substantial overclock it will preform at about the same level as an OC 570

And that's a statement I'd agree with and not question at all (after seeing the performance of a friend's GTX 460 768MB I OC'd for him). If people said it how you just did, I think that would provide the uninformed customer more reliable info--when you do a max OC, the GTX 560Ti 448 can match a max OC'd GTX 570.

That GTX 460 768MB I played around with matched a stock GTX 470 after I turned down the OC after stability and heat testing--to put it in perspective, that's like a GTX 560 SE matching a GTX 570 after overclock. That was a very satisfying experience and my friend replaced his GTS 250 with that.

Quote from PFX7 : Why is this even FP? :s haven't GTX 570s have come close to this price? And HD7850s are almost the same price but scale much better and have much better OC performance.

A VERY good point. A Twin Fronzr 7850 is $209.99 AR and blows this away after an OC: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Pro...6814127663

And I don't think anyone's buying this for NBA2K11 since NBA2K13 is about to come out and 2K12 has been $10 recently.

For all those who claim the "560 Ti 448will outperform a 570 easily", you're missing the bigger picture.

The 560 Ti 448 and the 570 are the same graphic cards with the difference of 22 cores.

Heat output between the two will be nearly the same amongst identical coolers.

The 570 can overclock as well. Apples to apples, the 570 always wins, but the 560 TI 448 is a better price to performance card.

My monitor resolution is still 1440 x900
I want to know will it be compatible

Quote from The_Doug : And that's a statement I'd agree with and not question at all (after seeing the performance of a friend's GTX 460 768MB I OC'd for him). If people said it how you just did, I think that would provide the uninformed customer more reliable info--when you do a max OC, the GTX 560Ti 448 can match a max OC'd GTX 570. That GTX 460 768MB I played around with matched a stock GTX 470 after I turned down the OC after stability and heat testing--to put it in perspective, that's like a GTX 560 SE matching a GTX 570 after overclock. That was a very satisfying experience and my friend replaced his GTS 250 with that.

I'm still running the Galaxy GTX 460 768MB on one of my rigs that I got for $63 final after all tax, shipping, selling of freebie games, and rebates (there were 3 rebates if i remember correctly) lol.

One of the best video card deals on this site for sure! I will never sell that card, just because it has been so good to me.

PS waiting for another deal like that to hit lol