Sleeping Dogs (PC Digital Download) $30 (expired)

Quote from jshackles : In response to nobody getting a straight answer either way about this debate, I've contacted Steam for an official response. In the mean time, can we please keep the topic of discussion on the deal itself? Thanks all.

Uhoh lol plz don't point it out to Steam. We know Steam's opinion - it's against their TOS and it's a nono, what we care about is what they'll do about it heh. I mean think about it "Pardon me Valve, are you ok with me paying the $30 you charge someone on the other side of the world for this exact product, instead of the $60 you want to charge me? Valve: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

Anyway I'm gonna go play some of my nice cheap games b/4 they vanish forever.

Here's another steam response: http://forums.steampowered.com/fo...?t=2347945

I could find more, but I really don't feel like wasting the time to argue with you. OP said they contacted steam so hopefully he'll have an additional response soon. I'd love to be able to buy games cheaper from these sites, but everything I've seen suggests that they're grey-market. And the way many people play games (play once, forget about them) means that all those initially positive reviews don't mean a heck of a lot.

Quote from Audrin : Well I mean this is FP deal and that other one isn't going anywhere (Haters gotta hate), so it's more useful to have this discussion here where more people will see it. All I want, and I think all compguy wants (apart from the elitist satisfaction he draws from putting us down and referencing logical fallacies) is to better inform the community, so posting on the other thread would be somewhat useless.

I find it unfortunate that people are giving your deal thumbs down without even explaining why, and certainly without providing any evidence for why. I truly want to be informed about the issue, as I have been unable to verify the negative claims (although granted, I'm not going to spend multiple hours trying to find evidence when the evidence I've seen in my 1+ hours looking has all been positive or inconclusive).

I do agree that this discussion is beneficial, regardless of the exact thread it's on, especially since this Amazon deal is supposed to last multiple weeks, so that I have some time to decide exactly from where I want to purchase this game.

I also don't know if I would fully believe what Steam support says about the issue, as I had TWC in NYC and their support staff lied about their policies all the time (until I would talk to a manager and threaten to cancel my subscription). I would prefer to see some actual instances of users reporting that their account was banned or that the game was removed from their library for the explicit reason of violating some policy related to the regions.

Quote from compguy : Here's another steam response: http://forums.steampowered.com/fo...?t=2347945 I could find more, but I really don't feel like wasting the time to argue with you. OP said they contacted steam so hopefully he'll have an additional response soon. I'd love to be able to buy games cheaper from these sites, but everything I've seen suggests that they're grey-market. And the way many people play games (play once, forget about them) means that all those initially positive reviews don't mean a heck of a lot.

Wow, once again another reply with nothing that resembles the evidence that we have requested. We know Steam's stance. We want proof from users who have had something happen to their account and who can confirm it was due to a region issue. Heck, even numerous people saying the game was removed from their account would be nice. But considering there are hundreds of people saying "no problem," and you have presented only one actual example of a person getting a game removed from their account (although the reason given by Steam had nothing to do with the region, and the person was living in EU where the laws may be different), you're really doing a better job at convincing me that InkKey is legit.

Anyways, nice job with the (what is it now? 4th? 5th?) fail.

Here is all I'm going to say on the issue, until I get an official response from Steam support:

If you have instances (as compguy has graciously pointed you to) where Valve employees say that it's against the terms of service of Steam, and Steam itself is a SERVICE, and Steam's service agreement says that they are legally allowed to cancel a "subscription" to any of your purchased games at any time, and you choose to go against these terms of service: don't be surprised if Steam does exactly what they say they'll do, which is revoke your "license" to play said game.

Additionally, your argument of "well it works for me and I haven't had anything bad happen to me" is not exactly a valid response to Valve's statement that it's a violation of their terms of service. By your logic, you could just as easily hijack this thread and say "You can save $30 if you simply pirate the game! I've done it and it's worked 100% of the time for me. I'm aware it's against the law, but I can't find any forum topics online about anyone getting in trouble for this so I choose to believe it's okay." Ironically, in most instances, the developers of these games probably end up with just as much money ($0) whether you pirate a game or buy a grey market or keygened out-of-region key.

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure by using Steam you're legally agreeing to their terms of service. If you violate their terms of service and get away with it, good for you. But many (most?) of us like to play by the rules and for those of us that do - this is a great deal. It's the lowest price it's ever been from a legitimate reseller.

Now please, can we stay on topic?

Hmm, well if anyone still has those free copies from purchasing a video card and wouldn't mind giving me one, I'll be happy to take it lol.

Quote from dogbert3002 : As a side note to you, or hell, as a full frontal note, however you like it. Could you please provide some evidence yourself of these claims? It seems Audrin has provided several links in his posts that provide reviews of InkKeys and Direct2Play, and they all seem fairly good, with no one reporting actually having their game removed from their account or having been banned. I would like to be able to make an informed decision, but like many SDers, I don't have the time to peruse through countless threads. I have checked out the several links provided by Audrin. Could you provide some links to the contrary? Otherwise, relentlessly attacking another poster, without any evidence of your own, is really just pretty disingenuous.

Quote from Audrin : I say 100% because I'm 100% sure that it activates on Steam, b/c I've done it myself. I also say 100% b/c i've seen X posts of others saying it worked, and ZERO posts saying it didn't. Infact check the reviews, of the 80? 120? of all the reviews the BEST part is the ones who had problems - universally they say the key didn't work for whatever reason, the company fixed it, and in a few cases tossed them another game or a partial or even full refund for their trouble. Yes all the posts supporting it are recent, versus the nonexistent posts decrying these sites. Please please please please please link the evidence that gives you these opinions, because rumor and gut feelings aren't doing it for me.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/show...tcount=239

^ made this post much earlier in the day about urlhasbeenblocked and Skyrim, you guys should research the people you're attacking. I make an effort to research all of people's previous posts before I respond to them; and I'd never reply with such a haughty tone like you guys have right now. Many reputable SDers would take the time to research AND search through the forums (people do get thumbed down for not searching through SD threads), so I don't know where that attitude is coming from.

This argument right now is about common practice versus what Steam / publishers can potentially do. I've already said in other posts that publishers will probably hesitate revoking a key due to PR backlash and the fact that EULA and ToS has not been proven in court (which I've said in the post you guys didn't try to look for), but it doesn't mean they won't and haven't.

Can't dismiss the plenty of Orange Box, Modern Warfare 2, Dead Island, Skyrim library removal reports in the Steam forum and other forums/YouTubes.

Hell, even I'll admit to this one if you really need someone to have anecdotes: I bought MW2 and even though the game was no longer in my library, I had to ask them to remove the international version before I could go and buy a American copy of MW2 later on. Game played fine for maybe two months before it disappeared. There are plenty of times where foreign keys I bought have worked and I still have, but that doesn't mean I will say that everyone will be okay in doing this deal -- and I will never assure them that they will get their money back if problems arise now or in the future. When I told friends to get MW2 and they got their stuff revoked, you bet your ass that I felt bad about it. Some of my friends got a different set of foreign keys and they still work, though downloading/installing is still problematic (game won't play from Steam library, you have to make a new shortcut to it from the common folder).

So, I'm just pointing it out to you guys right now--if you guys are thinking I'm being a dick to you, then you are sorely mistaken: I'm simply pointing out why people are giving you two a hard time, which is because of excess confidence in said companies or the attacking of people as soon as they respond with words of caution. You guys want definitive proof, but there isn't any that will satisfy you--it will all be anecdotes and the response e-mails from Steam after the removals are just canned/pre-written responses. If you guys want your points to come across, then please lose the condescending tone and keep an open mind.

With that said, don't mistake me for someone who refuses to buy gray-market games--I just think people should be cautioned before they bite. You never know.

In respect to the OP, I'm moving on. OP, thanks for the post. Amazon deal is great -- had a friend ask if anyone knows whether this includes any pre-order DLC? Sometimes Amazon likes to package pre-order DLC with these after-release direct downloads. When I bought Deus Ex: HR from Amazon for $10 months after release, I received its pre-order stuff as well, even though it didn't say I would. Same publisher (Square Enix), so I thought I'd put it out there for someone to maybe check?

Quote from jshackles : Here is all I'm going to say on the issue, until I get an official response from Steam support: If you have instances (as compguy has graciously pointed you to) where Valve employees say that it's against the terms of service of Steam, and Steam itself is a SERVICE, and Steam's service agreement says that they are legally allowed to cancel a "subscription" to any of your purchased games at any time, and you choose to go against these terms of service: don't be surprised if Steam does exactly what they say they'll do, which is revoke your "license" to play said game. Additionally, your argument of "well it works for me and I haven't had anything bad happen to me" is not exactly a valid response to Valve's statement that it's a violation of their terms of service. By your logic, you could just as easily hijack this thread and say "You can save $30 if you simply pirate the game! I've done it and it's worked 100% of the time for me. I'm aware it's against the law, but I can't find any forum topics online about anyone getting in trouble for this so I choose to believe it's okay." Ironically, in most instances, the developers of these games probably end up with just as much money ($0) whether you pirate a game or buy a grey market or keygened out-of-region key. IANAL, but I'm pretty sure by using Steam you're legally agreeing to their terms of service. If you violate their terms of service and get away with it, good for you. But many (most?) of us like to play by the rules and for those of us that do - this is a great deal. It's the lowest price it's ever been from a legitimate reseller. Now please, can we stay on topic?

I'm pretty sure the discussion has always been on topic: the best price for this game.

Also, once again, I'll say that support staff often does not know what they are talking about, or just lies, and considering how unprofessional that response you got was (that is seriously the response you got?), I wouldn't put much weight behind it.

Especially since this is a flat out lie: "and Steam's service agreement says that they are legally allowed to cancel a 'subscription' to any of your purchased games at any time" (for no reason? even if their service agreement says that, and really does provide for no conditions for that cancellation, then that clause would be invalid under contract law). That employee clearly does not know about either (1) Steam's service agreement or (2) the law. I would assume, if the employee knew what she or he was talking about, that the employee meant to say "at any time if there is a violation of the service agreement." However, after a quick skim of the service agreement, I was unable to find any information that would show that keys from these sites are actually a violation which would warrant a cancellation of a subscription. So I am going to assume that Steam is just trying to scare people into not doing something that is perfectly legal, but which makes Steam less money, and hence why there are no reports of such bans based on region issues concerning these sites actually happening. Companies lie all the time about their policies to scare customers (Time Warner Cable does it all the time). However, I would love to be proven wrong by a verified account of a user who had this happen! I will certainly be giving myself some time before I make a purchase of Sleeping Dogs on either Amazon or InkKey.

Quote from zAKai : http://slickdeals.net/forums/show...tcount=239 ^ made this post much earlier in the day about urlhasbeenblocked and Skyrim, you guys should research the people you're attacking. I make an effort to research all of people's previous posts before I respond to them; and I'd never reply with such a haughty tone like you guys have right now. Many reputable SDers would take the time to research AND search through the forums (people do get thumbed down for not searching through SD threads), so I don't know where that attitude is coming from. This argument right now is about common practice versus what Steam / publishers can potentially do. I've already said in other posts that publishers will probably hesitate revoking a key due to PR backlash and the fact that EULA and ToS has not been proven in court (which I've said in the post you guys didn't try to look for), but it doesn't mean they won't and haven't. Can't dismiss the plenty of Orange Box, Modern Warfare 2, Dead Island, Skyrim library removal reports in the Steam forum and other forums/YouTubes. Hell, even I'll admit to this one if you really need someone to have anecdotes: I bought MW2 and even though the game was no longer in my library, I had to ask them to remove the international version before I could go and buy a American copy of MW2 later on. Game played fine for maybe two months before it disappeared. There are plenty of times where foreign keys I bought have worked and I still have, but that doesn't mean I will say that everyone will be okay in doing this deal -- and I will never assure them that they will get their money back if problems arise now or in the future. When I told friends to get MW2 and they got their stuff revoked, you bet your ass that I felt bad about it. Some of my friends got a different set of foreign keys and they still work, though downloading/installing is still problematic (game won't play from Steam library, you have to make a new shortcut to it from the common folder). So, I'm just pointing it out to you guys right now--if you guys are thinking I'm being a dick to you, then you are sorely mistaken: I'm simply pointing out why people are giving you two a hard time, which is because of excess confidence in said companies or the attacking of people as soon as they respond with words of caution. You guys want definitive proof, but there isn't any that will satisfy you--it will all be anecdotes and the response e-mails from Steam after the removals are just canned/pre-written responses. If you guys want your points to come across, then please lose the condescending tone and keep an open mind. With that said, don't mistake me for someone who refuses to buy gray-market games--I just think people should be cautioned before they bite. You never know. In respect to the OP, I'm moving on. OP, thanks for the post. Amazon deal is great -- had a friend ask if anyone knows whether this includes any pre-order DLC? Sometimes Amazon likes to package pre-order DLC with these after-release direct downloads. When I bought Deus Ex: HR from Amazon for $10 months after release, I received its pre-order stuff as well, even though it didn't say I would. Same publisher (Square Enix), so I thought I'd put it out there for someone to maybe check?

I apologize if I came off as thinking you were a dick. I only thought that about compguy, because he was acting like one (and note, he was the only "person" who has been talking negatively about InkKey at all in these threads; he also didn't offer words of caution, but words of condensation). Thank you for the information you provided (second note, I have expressed no confidence in the companies, only a desire to know more about the issue before I make a decision on whether to act on this thread or the other, cheaper one). I wish your link had been in your original post (and I'm not going to search the post history of users to whom I respond; I searched for posts about the topics, and your provided link did not show up, but I am not going to research people to whom I respond). I am not entirely convinced by the links provided in that post that InkKey is not worth it (especially since there seems to be no account bans based on such key use, which would be my primary concern, and also because most people who did have a problem seemed to be able to get a refund), but they certainly will help me do some more research tomorrow (I woud really like to find someone who had their account banned and was told by Steam it was from using games from an unauthorized region; that would be definitive proof and would certainly satisfy me; however, it seems that from the hugely positive response from people on the direct2play Borderlands 2 deal you posted that this is really not an issue). Thanks again


P.S. this has nothing to do with respect for the original poster; we are having a discussion about the best price for a game, which is exactly what this deal thread is about.

Been researching these grey market sellers ever since the Borderlands 2 direct2play deal I saw.

From what I've read and researched I have not seen people report their accounts being banned. However, there did seem to be a report of a person having a game removed.

http://slickdeals.net/f/5228034-B...st53490998

http://slickdeals.net/f/5228034-B...st53461338

I've concluded that for the most part it probably is safe, though I wouldn't say or claim it's 100% that there would not be a problem. There is a "chance" even though slight, the game can be removed.

great game, played it on the xbox. Would like to pick it up again to see max settings, heard it was "next gen", will wait for a steam sale, $30 is too much to double dip.

Quote from dogbert3002 : I'm pretty sure the discussion has always been on topic: the best price for this game. Also, once again, I'll say that support staff often does not know what they are talking about, or just lies, and considering how unprofessional that response you got was (that is seriously the response you got?), I wouldn't put much weight behind it. Especially since this is a flat out lie: "and Steam's service agreement says that they are legally allowed to cancel a 'subscription' to any of your purchased games at any time" (for no reason? even if their service agreement says that, and really does provide for no conditions for that cancellation, then that clause would be invalid under contract law). That employee clearly does not know about either (1) Steam's service agreement or (2) the law. I would assume, if the employee knew what she or he was talking about, that the employee meant to say "at any time if there is a violation of the service agreement." However, after a quick skim of the service agreement, I was unable to find any information that would show that keys from these sites are actually a violation which would warrant a cancellation of a subscription. So I am going to assume that Steam is just trying to scare people into not doing something that is perfectly legal, but which makes Steam less money, and hence why there are no reports of such bans based on region issues concerning these sites actually happening. Companies lie all the time about their policies to scare customers (Time Warner Cable does it all the time). However, I would love to be proven wrong by a verified account of a user who had this happen! I will certainly be giving myself some time before I make a purchase of Sleeping Dogs on either Amazon or InkKey.

"You agree that you will not use IP proxying or other methods to disguise the place of your residence, whether to circumvent geographical restrictions on game content, to purchase at pricing not applicable to your geography, or for any other purpose. If you do this, we may terminate your access to your Account." ( §3(a) http://store.steampowered.com/sub...agreement/ )

I'm not pasting this to say anyone is wrong or anything like that. I think someone has said before (apologies if it was you and I'm not giving credit) that these sort of contracts and agreements haven't been battle-tested in court so even they themselves are grey-area. However, just take the time to consider that this part of the agreement is why people are arguing and/or why people are afraid, even if no accounts have been banned/terminated. This section is also probably why some people who bought games requiring a VPN to activate (Skyrim requires you to activate/launch from a foreign IP) got their keys removed, but accounts were never banned (Steam always insists that these users could be banned, but they wouldn't because they want people to see their charitable side). Most people are then shamed into silence about the matter.

The de facto status quo is that, while frowned upon, you'll more likely only lose access to the game and potentially the money invested (if you lose anything at all). I'd imagine other problems that may arise would depend on how many people bought into the deal. Skyrim from these sites wasn't as publicized as Borderlands 2 is currently on SD, so while Skyrim buyers got refunds, Borderlands 2 buyers may not be as lucky. If Steam got a request from Gearbox to do a game revocation, then that'd be quite a few SD users needing a refund or a new game that both urlhasbeenblocked and Direct2Play probably won't be able to absorb the financial hit. On the other hand, the VPN activation thing is where Steam has expressly prohibited gray-market games, but AFAIK Sleeping Dogs and Borderlands 2 are just regular Steam key activations not requiring VPN/proxies or a foreign IP. So I guess it's all becomes an semantics argument if a case arises.

In my perspective, deals like this one from Amazon forgo those worries for a $7 premium. I guess, if you want to look at it this way, $7 insurance to save you the off-chance of headaches and the loss of $23. Personally, I'd pay up to $10 extra if it meant I'd avoid headaches/stress (cost of a lot of painkillers, sleeping aides, and/or a new source of entertainment). If the discount is much more than that (like $60 vs $25 in the case of BL2), I'd consider the alternative if I really wanted the game at/near/just after release. It's really up to personal preference and amount of money you'd be fine with risking even if the risk is very minimal.

It's kinda hard to pinpoint where the line is though, since we all know that many of these games end up going for like $10 around 3-6 months after release. 50% off retail after a month would be perfect for me to support this particular developer in my home region, if I didn't already have the game. But at the same time, I don't know if this game will be your cup of tea to say it's worth uh ~25% more than the lowest price available (wait, is that how price difference percentages work--I don't even know). Haha. On that note, does Amazon digital distribution charge tax in the states that now collect tax?

Anyway, hope you figure out what you plan to do. Great game in my opinion, but there is a demo on Steam if it helps you decide if the $7 is worth an N. American copy or an international one (or to wait for an even better sale, like Black Friday or Steam Christmas). Good luck.

Quote from zAKai : "You agree that you will not use IP proxying or other methods to disguise the place of your residence, whether to circumvent geographical restrictions on game content, to purchase at pricing not applicable to your geography, or for any other purpose. If you do this, we may terminate your access to your Account." ( §3(a) http://store.steampowered.com/sub...agreement/ ) I'm not pasting this to say anyone is wrong or anything like that. I think someone has said before (apologies if it was you and I'm not giving credit) that these sort of contracts and agreements haven't been battle-tested in court so even they themselves are grey-area. However, just take the time to consider that this part of the agreement is why people are arguing and/or why people are afraid, even if no accounts have been banned/terminated. This section is also probably why some people who bought games requiring a VPN to activate (Skyrim requires you to activate/launch from a foreign IP) got their keys removed, but accounts were never banned (Steam always insists that these users could be banned, but they wouldn't because they want people to see their charitable side). Most people are then shamed into silence about the matter. The de facto status quo is that, while frowned upon, you'll more likely only lose access to the game and potentially the money invested (if you lose anything at all). I'd imagine other problems that may arise would depend on how many people bought into the deal. Skyrim from these sites wasn't as publicized as Borderlands 2 is currently on SD, so while Skyrim buyers got refunds, Borderlands 2 buyers may not be as lucky. If Steam got a request from Gearbox to do a game revocation, then that'd be quite a few SD users needing a refund or a new game that both urlhasbeenblocked and Direct2Play probably won't be able to absorb the financial hit. On the other hand, the VPN activation thing is where Steam has expressly prohibited gray-market games, but AFAIK Sleeping Dogs and Borderlands 2 are just regular Steam key activations not requiring VPN/proxies or a foreign IP. So I guess it's all becomes an semantics argument if a case arises. In my perspective, deals like this one from Amazon forgo those worries for a $7 premium. I guess, if you want to look at it this way, $7 insurance to save you the off-chance of headaches and the loss of $23. Personally, I'd pay up to $10 extra if it meant I'd avoid headaches/stress (cost of a lot of painkillers, sleeping aides, and/or a new source of entertainment). If the discount is much more than that (like $60 vs $25 in the case of BL2), I'd consider the alternative if I really wanted the game at/near/just after release. It's really up to personal preference and amount of money you'd be fine with risking even if the risk is very minimal. It's kinda hard to pinpoint where the line is though, since we all know that many of these games end up going for like $10 around 3-6 months after release. 50% off retail after a month would be perfect for me to support this particular developer in my home region, if I didn't already have the game. But at the same time, I don't know if this game will be your cup of tea to say it's worth uh ~25% more than the lowest price available (wait, is that how price difference percentages work--I don't even know). Haha. On that note, does Amazon digital distribution charge tax in the states that now collect tax? Anyway, hope you figure out what you plan to do. Great game in my opinion, but there is a demo on Steam if it helps you decide if the $7 is worth an N. American copy or an international one (or to wait for an even better sale, like Black Friday or Steam Christmas). Good luck.

Is it necessary to use IP proxying or other methods to disguise your place of residence to activate the Sleeping Dogs (or any other game) bought from InkKeys or Direct2Play? I was not aware that was necessary, but if it is, I certainly would not want to do that, because, as you point out, that is clearly prohibited.

Thanks for the heads up on the demo, too. I will have to check it out while I make my decision.

Quote from dogbert3002 : Is it necessary to use IP proxying or other methods to disguise your place of residence to activate the Sleeping Dogs (or any other game) bought from InkKeys or Direct2Play? I was not aware that was necessary, but if it is, I certainly would not want to do that, because, as you point out, that is clearly prohibited. Thanks for the heads up on the demo, too. I will have to check it out while I make my decision.

Not sure, but I don't think Sleeping Dogs requires a VPN/proxy--like if you look at Modern Warfare 3 through either gray-market site, it will say those titles requires it. Sleeping Dogs doesn't have that warning. MW3 requires a VPN but Activision doesn't pursue a deactivation like they did with MW2 (PR backlash), so I think people's keys are still working for that game.

Borderlands 2 doesn't require a VPN, their page also has no warning so I'm assuming that Sleeping Dogs is just a simple add-to-library in the same manner.

Quote from zAKai : "You agree that you will not use IP proxying or other methods to disguise the place of your residence, whether to circumvent geographical restrictions on game content, to purchase at pricing not applicable to your geography, or for any other purpose. If you do this, we may terminate your access to your Account." ( §3(a) http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/ )

I think some people are getting hung up on VPN/proxy stuff so I've highlighted a few pertinent things.


Also, here's at least one SDer who's been banned for a bad key tho you'd have to ask them for the details.


For anyone who's deadset on getting these Russian keys, you really ought to create a separate account for them and don't use any of your real passwords. These key sites retain the original copies, which means they still own the game even after selling to you per steam policies. This means they can revoke the game from you to sell to someone else later, or if they're feeling especially malicious they can use it to takeover your account. This info was also in the second thread I linked to that had a valve rep post in it. It was not contradicted by the rep and it's been in numerous other threads I've seen there when looking previously.


Also, I would go for urlhasbeenblocked before direct2play if you're deadset on going that route (tho I wouldn't go for either at this point). I nearly purchased a game from direct2play, then realized that it was not direct2drive so I did some looking (I don't think anyone had previously called attention to the fact that they're another russian key site). When I posted about the fact that they had nothing to do with direct2drive (now gamefly) and that they were based in Russia, they had a "rep" join and tell me basically "shut up, we sell legit keys" in addition to attempting to break into my machine with a code injection attack piggybacked off slickdeals. They also created a new shill account since then in the BL2 thread to keep telling people to buy copies, how they've bought them for friends (strange one person who just joined to keep buying more copies for "friends" and telling people to buy more.

A recent development is that they appear to have changed their whois data over to Hong Kong, which I really shouldn't have to explain why that's sketchy.


But yes, clearly I am a jerk that's trying to ruin everyone else's fun by looking into things to make sure they don't get screwed. In a way it's like the housing bubble. Everyone getting "free money" out of mortgages and no one bothering to look at fine print. No one wants to hear about the negatives. Confirmation bias plus instant gratification = win?