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New Cannondale Tango SL Womens 29er Mountain Bike Under $500 Piermont Bike through Ebay

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I was checking out the recent GT and Raleigh postings and wasn't really impressed with the specs - those cheap bikes are probably ok for some light gravel/dirt rides, but if your goal is to ride legitimate singletrack, they're really not adequate. Anyway, I found this on Ebay - Piermontbike is clearing out some new old stock Cannondale 29ers.

They have a few fixed auction prices including $450 for a tall version and $499 for a medium, not including an $80 shipping fee. However, they also have a "make best offer" option so they obviously will accept less. In addition, they often start some auctions with a nominal starting price and no reserve - checking out their recent sold auctions, some of these Cannondales have sold for between $300 - $400. Based on the listed specs, these are fantastic prices for a new 29er from a quality manufacturer. Components include:

RockShox 30 Gold TK, 100mm, Solo Air w/remote lockout - Fork is worth $250 alone! Make sure you select a bike with the air fork, I notice a few have Rockshox spring versions - which are ok, but not in same league as the Gold Solo Air.
Deore rear derailleur - about the minimum spec needed for serious trail riding
Shimano hydraulic disc brakes (Very reliable)

If you can snag one for about $450 shipped, I doubt you'd find anything comparable. Only downside is you would need to do a bit of minor assembly - really easy though and there are plenty of Craigslist videos that show exactly what is expected. Even if you pay a local bike shop to assemble (should be less than $100), still well worth it.


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uuugh, that frame. It just seems so odd!
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that frame IS weird. it because 29ers are too large for many women. :/
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anything for men?
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that's a great price, but very limited in options, and a better value the the XCT equipped $300 deal. I would rather get this "womens" bike as a man than the other $300 deal.
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those cheap bikes are probably ok for some light gravel/dirt rides, but if your goal is to ride legitimate singletrack, they're really not adequate.
this is just not true. I've seen XCT level bikes ridden hard for years on single track and gnar, parts break like any other bike, and wont' ride nearly as nice as an air fork, hydro brakes, etc; but they'll ride just fine. The faster bike will always depend on the rider. If any thing, the only increased maintenance i got was truing the cheaper wheelsets more often.
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that's a great price, but very limited in options, and a better value the the XCT equipped $300 deal.
this is just not true. I've seen XCT level bikes ridden hard for years on single track and gnar, parts break like any other bike, and wont' ride nearly as nice as an air fork, hydro brakes, etc; but they'll ride just fine. The faster bike will always depend on the rider. If any thing, the only increased maintenance i got was truing the cheaper wheelsets more often.
Disagree. I'm not saying that it's impossible to ride low end bikes on legit trails - However, outside of inferior performance, the parts are just far more prone to failure and the ride is far less comfortable. I would not trust that $300 bike on intermediate single track. But don't take my word for it, go to the MTBR forums and read the hundreds of postings from riders far more experienced than me detailing numerous issues with crappy components - especially low end forks. Some of those Suntour XCT forks actually have a sticker warning people that the fork is not designed for hard riding!

I've ridden crappy spring forks and air forks like Recons, Rebas, and Fox 32s - In my experience the performance and comfort level of the latter 3 is exponentially better than low end spring forks. But, I guess this is the internet so you'll always find someone claiming that the difference is not that significant.
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i'm one of the knowledgeable people on mtbr. my screen name is the same on both sites.

I didn't say there wasn't a big difference, but XCT bikes are rideable. I have a good amount experience riding, tuning and maintaining the bikes and parts that you are talking about for me and other people. and if you read mtbr listening to the most experienced people they, they actually back up my claims.

I have both a very nice mtn bike, and a spare vacation XCT bike. There is a big difference in the rides, but both are rideable. If the devil gave me a deal, ride only the XCT bike, but you get to ride twice as much. I would take it in a heartbeat.

it's great to see slickdeals step up in mountain biking deals and knowledge. people with mtbr tend to obsess on frame brand, but component levels make a much larger difference.
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I've been watching the Scott Sub 10 deals this guy has - I have the Orange one from 2014 - got a good deal for $600 from REI but the ones Piermont is selling are sweet deals at the prices some are getting them for. Excellent belt drive commuter bikes with Shimano 8 speed Alfine internal gear hubs (IGH).

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if you read mtbr listening to the most experienced people they, they actually back up my claims.
Your initial assertion was that an XCT level bike would ride "just fine" and you claim that the XCT "parts break like any other bike" which seems to imply that they are just as reliable as more expensive components. In fact you then go on to claim that " If any thing, the only increased maintenance i got was truing the cheaper wheelsets more often".

I have spent significant time on MTBR and that is definitely not the expert consensus. It is my experience that upper level components starting with Deore, SLX, XT are significantly more reliable than components like Altus or Tourney that come on these lower end bikes. As far as XCT forks are concerned, they have an abysmal reputation.

Please send me some thread links that agree with your assertion. In fact, it would be great if you could post on MTBR the specs for the $300 XCT equipped deal you referenced and ask if the setup is adequate for intermediate singletrack - I'd be interested in the responses. I just don't think it's a good idea for someone looking to get into the sport (soon riding intermediate trails) to waste money on that bike which is the reason I'm asking you to backup your claims - no offense intended.
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Your initial assertion was that an XCT level bike would ride "just fine" and you claim that the XCT "parts break like any other bike" which seems to imply that they are just as reliable as more expensive components. In fact you then go on to claim that " If any thing, the only increased maintenance i got was truing the cheaper wheelsets more often".
you don't have your own experience with the parts you are commenting on. Its good to be skeptical, but at the same time you ahve to educate yourself. Deep reading of forums seeking out the more knowledgeable posters like myself. I'll just highlight one snippet for you,alivio rear derailleur. If you read the reviews, it's clear to a knowledgeable bike person that there varying levels of experience in them. Many of the problems listed are user error = derailleurs not set up properly. If you can't discern which reviewer have knowledge, or you can't' install, adjsut and tune your rear yourself, then you shouldn't be posting on these subjects. Either admit i'my more knowledgeable o this subject as I've stated my experience, and you can post counter arguments from other knowledgeable people, or call me a liar and bser. From y posting history on MTBR, it's fairly obvious to tell that i'm not either.
http://www.mtbr.com/cat/drivetrai...16crx.aspx


For the most part, cheapy parts are almost as reliably as expensive parts, in some cases more (old cheapy mech were more reliable than $$ hydros). $$ parts function better, and are lighter, but not necessarily more reliable.
XCT forks are clunky and really heavy compared to air forks, but they will last 95% of new riders for 5 years.
Tektro brakes have improved a lot and are now respected as reliable, although lesser performing then the best in the class shimano hydros. affordable wheels are heavy, and need more truing, but will last 5 years for 95% of riders.
Rear derailleurs - all almost exactly equal in temrs fo real world reliability. The most common failure is rear derailleurs is smacking them rocks and crashes. They are consumable parts for heavy duty riders.
shifter - all of them wear out. brand new alivio shifters shift a lot better then XTs that have worn out. consumable parts.
etc etc.


All that being said, this bike for $500 is defintely recomend over the the $300 xct bike. I rather ride this "womens" specific bike than that XCT bike. I just dont' want spready the myth and inflate the starting costs to get in to this sport.
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you don't have your own experience with the parts you are commenting on. Its good to be skeptical, but at the same time you ahve to educate yourself. Deep reading of forums seeking out the more knowledgeable posters like myself. I'll just highlight one snippet for you,alivio rear derailleur. If you read the reviews, it's clear to a knowledgeable bike person that there varying levels of experience in them. Many of the problems listed are user error = derailleurs not set up properly. If you can't discern which reviewer have knowledge, or you can't' install, adjsut and tune your rear yourself, then you shouldn't be posting on these subjects. Either admit i'my more knowledgeable o this subject as I've stated my experience, and you can post counter arguments from other knowledgeable people, or call me a liar and bser. From y posting history on MTBR, it's fairly obvious to tell that i'm not either.
http://www.mtbr.com/cat/drivetrai...16crx.aspx


For the most part, cheapy parts are almost as reliably as expensive parts, in some cases more (old cheapy mech were more reliable than $$ hydros). $$ parts function better, and are lighter, but not necessarily more reliable.
XCT forks are clunky and really heavy compared to air forks, but they will last 95% of new riders for 5 years.
Tektro brakes have improved a lot and are now respected as reliable, although lesser performing then the best in the class shimano hydros. affordable wheels are heavy, and need more truing, but will last 5 years for 95% of riders.
Rear derailleurs - all almost exactly equal in temrs fo real world reliability. The most common failure is rear derailleurs is smacking them rocks and crashes. They are consumable parts for heavy duty riders.
shifter - all of them wear out. brand new alivio shifters shift a lot better then XTs that have worn out. consumable parts.
etc etc.


All that being said, this bike for $500 is defintely recomend over the the $300 xct bike. I rather ride this "womens" specific bike than that XCT bike. I just dont' want spready the myth and inflate the starting costs to get in to this sport.
I'm always skeptical of people who feel the need to stress how "knowledgeable" they are! You pointed this out multiple times. You also incorrectly assume that I have no experience with XCT forks and the other parts on which I am commenting. I've read several threads on MTBR where you have been called out for some very questionable/ridiculous claims.

My experience has been that Deore level and above derailleurs have been far more reliable than Acera, Altus, and Tourney which seem to need constant adjustments. A large part of the reason for this is that the internals of the lower tier derailleurs are largely plastic which wears out faster.causing shifting issues.

It may take some searching and some additional work, but it is possible to get a significantly better bike for a reasonable amount more than those lower specced advertised bikes. The Cannondale Tango is just one example - far from top of the line, but significantly better than the $300 GT or equivalent Raleigh bikes.
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anything for men?
if you need a legit mtb this is legit. womens or mens, this bike will work regardless of its marketing to women.

almost positive you wont start menstruating when you hop on this bike. but your wallet will be happier.
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if you need a legit mtb this is legit. womens or mens, this bike will work regardless of its marketing to women.

almost positive you wont start menstruating when you hop on this bike. but your wallet will be happier.
It's a PIA to strap this type of frame onto a bike rack, that's all. about to pull the trigger if the tall fits a 5'8" rider
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It's a PIA to strap this type of frame onto a bike rack, that's all. about to pull the trigger if the tall fits a 5'8" rider
Just get a cheap adapter bar. To be completely honest, as a guy, I'm not sure I would buy the Cannondale! Nice bike though.
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Just get a cheap adapter bar. To be completely honest, as a guy, I'm not sure I would buy the Cannondale! Nice bike though.
a "mens" version of this bike would easily be priced in the $800-1000 range.

nothing a $1.99 can of matte black spray paint cant fix

I'll take that comment back, with the cannondale brand you can ride it and then flip it for close to the same value.

masking it will cost you some value.
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