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Upgrading graphics card XPS 8700. Which Ultrawide or 4K monitor for productivity (no gaming, graphics, video editing)

781 65 August 8, 2017 at 12:27 PM
Hello,

As mentioned in the title.

What is the cheapest and best graphics card for my i7 XPS 8700 just for running multiple monitors (4K monitor or a ultra wide)?
Currently have the stock GPU and PSU; GT 720.

Also, What is a good Ultrawide monitor or 32" + 4K monitor for productivity purposes and office work?
These 1080p monitors are an eye sore and difficult to read. I want a "retina" screen on mac but that isn't possible yet. Will a IPS 32" 4K from LG, Qnix or BenQ monitor be best?
Or fine with 1440p at 32" or 34 UW?
I do not game, do graphic design or video editing. Any intensive softwares that require a dedicated GPU.

Is Dell U3415W worth $500 refurb? or should I wait

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What do you find hard to read on the 1080p screens? What size are you working with?

Reason I ask is I have a laptop that is nearly 4k and while it's a much smaller screen it's a royal pain to a degree, You have to pretty much enable scaling and not all programs scale. Just making sure it's really a resolution problem because your wanting to spend a lot on something that might make the problem worse.

Your current GPU can run a maximum of 3840x2160 on a digital connection according to the specs which is considered 4k.
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In addition to the previous post, gaming and general functionality for graphics at a particular resolution are linked; gaming and GPU processing power are not linked. If you just want to be able to see something in super sharp resolution, the monitor/projector will likely be your bottleneck, not the GPU if the specs say it will already display across a specific resolution.
Also, note that a resolution is just that, a resolution, so multiple monitors won't necessarily impact your total viewing window if you aren't actually outputting anything that challenges the monitor(s) you currently have. It's like if you watch a bluray on a 720p tv versus a 720p video on a 720p tv: you won't necessarily notice a difference until you find the bottleneck and replace it with something that can handle better. People on this forum and in gaming forums constantly go on about the ability of a graphics card simply because of the performance the card can handle, which prevents the CPU from needing to step in to perform. Nearly every modern CPU chipset has a built-in GPU that can pump out 4k resolution, even mobile processors. The main point the gamers need is that image to be generated and pumped out at 4k resolution at 60 frames per minute or more, which is something a CPU's GPU can't handle without some serious heat control and a bit more help (e.g. RAM, etc).

Basically, what we [everyone else trying to help] needs from you is: Goal, resources, and limitations Smilie
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Short Answer: You don't need a dedicated GPU to run a 4k monitor. Your Intel HD series should run it just fine. If you plan on ever doing any sort of light gaming or editing work, I would stick with something cheap and simple, like the Nvidia GT 1030 (I have on in a dell 9020 sff that I use as my HTPC). The monitor is all preference. I personally hate ultra wides, 1440p 27" is my happy place lol
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What do you find hard to read on the 1080p screens? What size are you working with?

Reason I ask is I have a laptop that is nearly 4k and while it's a much smaller screen it's a royal pain to a degree, You have to pretty much enable scaling and not all programs scale. Just making sure it's really a resolution problem because your wanting to spend a lot on something that might make the problem worse.

Your current GPU can run a maximum of 3840x2160 on a digital connection according to the specs which is considered 4k.
i agree. i took a look at the 27" 4K and 13" 4k laptops at the local Best buy and text is too small and i don't want to deal with scaling issues.
I think macbook pro has the best screens. not willing to shell out money for one. or the iMac
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In addition to the previous post, gaming and general functionality for graphics at a particular resolution are linked; gaming and GPU processing power are not linked. If you just want to be able to see something in super sharp resolution, the monitor/projector will likely be your bottleneck, not the GPU if the specs say it will already display across a specific resolution.
Also, note that a resolution is just that, a resolution, so multiple monitors won't necessarily impact your total viewing window if you aren't actually outputting anything that challenges the monitor(s) you currently have. It's like if you watch a bluray on a 720p tv versus a 720p video on a 720p tv: you won't necessarily notice a difference until you find the bottleneck and replace it with something that can handle better. People on this forum and in gaming forums constantly go on about the ability of a graphics card simply because of the performance the card can handle, which prevents the CPU from needing to step in to perform. Nearly every modern CPU chipset has a built-in GPU that can pump out 4k resolution, even mobile processors. The main point the gamers need is that image to be generated and pumped out at 4k resolution at 60 frames per minute or more, which is something a CPU's GPU can't handle without some serious heat control and a bit more help (e.g. RAM, etc).

Basically, what we [everyone else trying to help] needs from you is: Goal, resources, and limitations Smilie
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Short Answer: You don't need a dedicated GPU to run a 4k monitor. Your Intel HD series should run it just fine. If you plan on ever doing any sort of light gaming or editing work, I would stick with something cheap and simple, like the Nvidia GT 1030 (I have on in a dell 9020 sff that I use as my HTPC). The monitor is all preference. I personally hate ultra wides, 1440p 27" is my happy place lol
thanks all.
I'm using 2 24" Dell monitors. While it is 'ok' for what I am using it for, I want a sharper image since I am on the computer for long hours.
What's the closest monitor, screen size to resolution to that of retina display from Apple? Is 32" 4K 3840x2160‎ the sweet spot? Or a 27 1440p, 32" 2560*1440p or 34" at 3440 x 1440?

Monitors are surprisingly expensive still compared to TVs. An IPS 4K 32" monitor costs 600-700 if it is from LG, Samsung or BenQ. Qnix has one for 400. Point of this thread is to field out advice on what to look for in terms of GPU and monitor. I hope to buy the perfect size and resolution since they are expensive and most are not sold in local stores.

Anyone have some recommendations? Qnix 32" 4K monitors? Benq 3201?

Good to know my GPU supports 4K. I may try to upgrade to 970, 960 or 1050.
https://www.geforce.com/hardware/...ifications
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i agree. i took a look at the 27" 4K and 13" 4k laptops at the local Best buy and text is too small and i don't want to deal with scaling issues.
I think macbook pro has the best screens. not willing to shell out money for one. or the iMac


thanks all.
I'm using 2 24" Dell monitors. While it is 'ok' for what I am using it for, I want a sharper image since I am on the computer for long hours.
What's the closest monitor, screen size to resolution to that of retina display from Apple? Is 32" 4K 3840x2160‎ the sweet spot? Or a 27 1440p, 32" 2560*1440p or 34" at 3440 x 1440?

Monitors are surprisingly expensive still compared to TVs. An IPS 4K 32" monitor costs 600-700 if it is from LG, Samsung or BenQ. Qnix has one for 400. Point of this thread is to field out advice on what to look for in terms of GPU and monitor. I hope to buy the perfect size and resolution since they are expensive and most are not sold in local stores.

Anyone have some recommendations? Qnix 32" 4K monitors? Benq 3201?

Good to know my GPU supports 4K. I may try to upgrade to 970, 960 or 1050.
https://www.geforce.com/hardware/...ifications
What monitors specifically (model number) are you using and how are they currently connected? Unless the monitors are failing or connected via analog I don't see a new one being "sharper". Potentially you could benefit from IPS displays with the wider viewing angle and increased colors.

How far are you sitting away? I think a mistake a lot of people make is buying a quite large display and sitting too close thinking it will be better. Instead of moving their eyes they end up tilting their head a bunch to look around which ends up being worse for fatigue. I think the other thing that has to be asked here is have you had an eye exam recently? As we age our eyes do change and this might be as simple as needing glasses or an updated RX if you already have them. I always mention to my optometrist I spend large hours in front of the computer and mention if I have eye fatigue.

Personally I have never have heard of QNIX they look to be a re-brander of others displays.

You don't need to upgrade GPU's and if you do don't expect to see a difference in what you have told us so far. Make sure you have the available power before doing so. OEM PC's might not have a large enough power supply capable
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What monitors specifically (model number) are you using and how are they currently connected? Unless the monitors are failing or connected via analog I don't see a new one being "sharper". Potentially you could benefit from IPS displays with the wider viewing angle and increased colors.

How far are you sitting away? I think a mistake a lot of people make is buying a quite large display and sitting too close thinking it will be better. Instead of moving their eyes they end up tilting their head a bunch to look around which ends up being worse for fatigue. I think the other thing that has to be asked here is have you had an eye exam recently? As we age our eyes do change and this might be as simple as needing glasses or an updated RX if you already have them. I always mention to my optometrist I spend large hours in front of the computer and mention if I have eye fatigue.

Personally I have never have heard of QNIX they look to be a re-brander of others displays.

You don't need to upgrade GPU's and if you do don't expect to see a difference in what you have told us so far. Make sure you have the available power before doing so. OEM PC's might not have a large enough power supply capable
U2414H via HDMI and DVI both on gt720.

I want an experience/display closest to retina from Apple without spending 1500 for their products. Apple has 220 PPI. Higher pixel density on a proper ratio/screen size should make a difference in a sharper image for text, programming, right?
I'm sitting 28" away from both monitors. I want 32" for landscape mode and productivity. How is using Samsung 6300u 40" tvs as monitors

I understand about the head tilt with bigger monitors. That's why I want to buy one monitor or downsize and get 2 27" monitors.

I'm using my prescription (-3.75in both eyes) from last month. Surprisingly, i asked my optometrist about eyes worsening/fatigue getting worse from 10+ hours on the computer and my eye sight has not changed much. I use cheap lenses from eyebuydirect

Qnix is a Korean brand which rebrands Samsung's panels per one Ebay retailer. I believe AOC rebrands BenQ but don't quote me on that. Both are far cheaper than name brands.

good to know that I don't need to upgrade GPU because i thought i only used 4k on DP only. i have 460W stock PSU which I read is enough for gtx 970.

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U2414H via HDMI and DVI both on gt720.

I want an experience/display closest to retina from Apple without spending 1500 for their products. Apple has 220 PPI. Higher pixel density on a proper ratio/screen size should make a difference in a sharper image for text, programming, right?
I'm sitting 28" away from both monitors. I want 32" for landscape mode and productivity. How is using Samsung 6300u 40" tvs as monitors

I understand about the head tilt with bigger monitors. That's why I want to buy one monitor or downsize and get 2 27" monitors.

I'm using my prescription (-3.75in both eyes) from last month. Surprisingly, i asked my optometrist about eyes worsening/fatigue getting worse from 10+ hours on the computer and my eye sight has not changed much. I use cheap lenses from eyebuydirect

Qnix is a Korean brand which rebrands Samsung's panels per one Ebay retailer. I believe AOC rebrands BenQ but don't quote me on that. Both are far cheaper than name brands.

good to know that I don't need to upgrade GPU because i thought i only used 4k on DP only. i have 460W stock PSU which I read is enough for gtx 970.

thanks
Read https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/dell-u2414h/ under the calibration section. I wonder if your suffering from that common problem with reduced color being sent so it's blurry?

Do your math on PPI with what you currently have and what your looking at. It will increase but because of the size increase I don't think it will be as high as you think. The monitors you have are quite nice I just don't think it will be a night and day difference. If your glasses don't fit your face as well as they should it could be a factor.

Are you running W10? It scales stuff a lot better then W7

Last thing on the power, Nvidia says a GTX 970 a 500W PSU is recommended. More importantly you need to native 6 pin connectors. A new XPS will probably have that but worth checking to make sure you do before buying stuff. Adapters are not a good idea for a high watt card.
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Read https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/dell-u2414h/ under the calibration section. I wonder if your suffering from that common problem with reduced color being sent so it's blurry?

Do your math on PPI with what you currently have and what your looking at. It will increase but because of the size increase I don't think it will be as high as you think. The monitors you have are quite nice I just don't think it will be a night and day difference. If your glasses don't fit your face as well as they should it could be a factor.

Are you running W10? It scales stuff a lot better then W7

Last thing on the power, Nvidia says a GTX 970 a 500W PSU is recommended. More importantly you need to native 6 pin connectors. A new XPS will probably have that but worth checking to make sure you do before buying stuff. Adapters are not a good idea for a high watt card.
thanks for link on my monitors. although, i do not think it due to the reduced color.

I use this site for my next monitor. https://www.sven.de/dpi/
3840*2160 at 32" is 137 ppi versus the 91 with 1080 24"
Will it make a big difference? I shall see
MBP and IMAC are a whooping 220
my glasses are fine in terms of fit. I may buy some blue eye blocker 1.67 index lenses on my next pair.

i use win7. The good folks on Dell forums who have my PC have used 970 with the stock PSU. And I dont even game or use intensive software.
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thanks for link on my monitors. although, i do not think it due to the reduced color.

I use this site for my next monitor. https://www.sven.de/dpi/
3840*2160 at 32" is 137 ppi versus the 91 with 1080 24"
Will it make a big difference? I shall see
MBP and IMAC are a whooping 220
my glasses are fine in terms of fit. I may buy some blue eye blocker 1.67 index lenses on my next pair.

i use win7. The good folks on Dell forums who have my PC have used 970 with the stock PSU. And I dont even game or use intensive software.
Ya as you know the reason why your PPI is so much less is because your going with a 32" monitor. if you scale that down to a 15" laptop like on a MBP you can see how that PPI jumps. Personally I think 32" is way to big for the distance your sitting but that might be just me.

Ya I think you PSU will work wattage wise, it's definitely pushing it. My point was the 2 6 pin if you upgrade. Many sub 500 watt PSU's don't have the 2 6 pin. Either way thats a solvable problem if it needs to be.

I definitely recommend W10 for a high density display. It handles scaling far better. W7 is pretty poor at that.

At this point you are pretty knowledgeable and I think your mind is probably made up regardless of what I have to say so best of luck. /end
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Ya as you know the reason why your PPI is so much less is because your going with a 32" monitor. if you scale that down to a 15" laptop like on a MBP you can see how that PPI jumps. Personally I think 32" is way to big for the distance your sitting but that might be just me.

Ya I think you PSU will work wattage wise, it's definitely pushing it. My point was the 2 6 pin if you upgrade. Many sub 500 watt PSU's don't have the 2 6 pin. Either way thats a solvable problem if it needs to be.

I definitely recommend W10 for a high density display. It handles scaling far better. W7 is pretty poor at that.

At this point you are pretty knowledgeable and I think your mind is probably made up regardless of what I have to say so best of luck. /end
I actually have no idea what I am doing and looking for. The Ultrawide look nice at Costco. I think I would be fine with a 27" at 1440p.

What set up of monitors do you use?
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