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HSU Research Subwoofers VTF-2 MK5 $509, VTF-1 MK3 $379, +S&H

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HSU Research has Labor Day Sale for 2 lowest model subwoofers.

VTF-2 MK5 $509+$65 S&H=$574
http://www.hsuresearch.com/produc...-2mk5.html

VTF-1 MK3 $379+$54 S&H=$433
http://www.hsuresearch.com/produc...-1mk3.html

They also have HB-1 MK2 bookshelf speaker for $139+$29 S&H=$168
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html

I was planning to get 2x VTF-2 MK5 so this is great timing. Not a deep discount but these rarely go on sale anyway.
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Shipping starts at $65.
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Shipping starts at $65.
All of them said $93 for me.
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How those 2 subwoofer compared with klipsch r-115 subwoofer @ 399 (previous frys deals)
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Very minimal discounts. I don't think a whooping $30 off is going to make anybody go rush out and buy a VTF-2 mk5 for almost 600 bones. That's less than a 5% discount.Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) Even worse, the discount buying two is only $11 less than the everyday dual price.look around
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Are they using the same capacitors in VTF-2 MK5 as in earlier models ( MK4 etc. )?

Looking at some forums I saw some quality issues, and considering only a 2 year warranty I can't get myself to pull the trigger.
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How those 2 subwoofer compared with klipsch r-115 subwoofer @ 399 (previous frys deals)
Poorly.

You'd need to step up to the VTF-3 Mk5 to get in the same ballpark... and even the top-end VTF-15H is only going to be noticeably better on the very low end
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Poorly.

You'd need to step up to the VTF-3 Mk5 to get in the same ballpark... and even the top-end VTF-15H is only going to be noticeably better on the very low end
HAHAHAHAHA.

I know you love posting all over the place, and that this is an older post, but please stay out of things that you have no clue about. A VTF-3 destroys the R-115, and the VTF-15H and the R-115 are not even close. A VTF-3 is 6dB higher at 40 Hz and 4dB higher at 50 and 63Hz. For 20 and 25 Hz, it's also around 6dB. That difference is HUGE. We're talking roughly double the output in almost every aspect, but somehow that's barely noticeable?

If you think that's only going to be noticeable in the very low end, when it's literally every frequency that it completely murders, you probably shouldn't be posting in any subwoofer thread, ever.

Even the VTF-2, with a 12" driver, is still able to beat the Klipsch in the 20-25Hz range, while the Klipsch and its 15" driver has a 0.1-2dB advantage in the 40-63Hz range.

http://www.audioholics.com/subwoo...subwoofers
https://hometheaterreview.com/kli...ed/?page=2
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HAHAHAHAHA.

I know you love posting all over the place, and that this is an older post, but please stay out of things that you have no clue about. A VTF-3 destroys the R-115, and the VTF-15H and the R-115 are not even close. A VTF-3 is 6dB higher at 40 Hz and 4dB higher at 50 and 63Hz. For 20 and 25 Hz, it's also around 6dB. That difference is HUGE.
Wow... you necroed a nearly 2 month old thread just to be wrong about something again!

it's weird.

You linked to the same review I did- which says the same thing you are claiming isn't true as if it's a source proving me wrong.


Meanwhile- back in reality-

From the actual review by Brent Butterworth-He notes- specifically, the following:

Quote from Brent Butterworth :
The CEA-2010A results for the R-115SW are pretty impressive, in the neighborhood of what I've measured from some competing but typically larger subs. For example, the Hsu Research VTF-15H Mk2 delivers an average of 126.9 dB in the low bass (40-63 Hz) region and 119.9 dB in the ultra-low bass (20-31.5 Hz) range. My guess is you wouldn't notice the Hsu's +3.6dB improvement in the 40-63 Hz region because few people crank their system up loud enough to hear that.

But if you're really pushing the sub with ultra-low-frequency material, I would suspect from the measurement alone that the Hsu's +5.3dB advantage from 20-31.5 Hz might make a significant difference.


Did you catch that?

your own source tells you literally the same thing I did

The VTF-15H is only going to be noticably better on the low end and only if you're pushing it pretty loud...(and again- that's comparing it to the step up sub from the VTF-3, though since the MK3 they're weirdly close in most measures).


So- awesome job not understanding your own source (which, turns out, was the same as my original source, which apparently you also missed Applause

The reason he's telling you that?

THX reference level requires subs to be able to hit 115db peaks (not sustained mind you).

Most folks don't listen that loudly though.

Hence why he is correctly telling you you're unlikely to notice any difference in the 40-63 range, because you'd have to be listening at nearly double (but not quite- see below for that one) THX reference level before there is a difference in that range, and even then it's barely more than 3db on average.

While in the 20-31.5Hz range the difference besides being a couple more db, splits right across the THX reference level line....

Hence why he explains if you are pushing things (ie listening around/above reference- which again most folks don't) only then, and only in the ultra-low bass region, would you notice a difference.

You know, exactly what I already told you.





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We're talking roughly double the output in almost every aspect, but somehow that's barely noticeable?
Again- not really.

First- from your own source (and mine, hilariously) it's an average of only 3.6 db difference from 40-63 (and again, that's on the bigger Hsu sub), and the difference only exists at volumes nearly double THX reference level...

Also you're confusing the 3 different points at which people mix up what "double" means in a sub.

10db is what is actually perceived by a human as twice as loud.

+3 is double the power.
+6 is double the spl
+10 is double the actual perceived loudness

So while 3.6db takes twice the power, it's nowhere near twice as loud to the listener.

And since both subs exceed reference volume it'd be rare for that difference to be noticeable, because it's rare anyone listens to a home theater sub above the volume both can hit.


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If you think that's only going to be noticeable in the very low end, when it's literally every frequency that it completely murders, you probably shouldn't be posting in any subwoofer thread, ever.
Given that is literally what Brent Butterworth said about it and he's forgotten more about subs than you'll ever know, and you've already make several errors in your reply here, you'll forgive me if I take his word over yours laugh out loud
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Wow... you necroed a nearly 2 month old thread just to be wrong about something again!

it's weird.

You linked to the same review I did- which says the same thing you are claiming isn't true as if it's a source proving me wrong.


Meanwhile- back in reality-

From the actual review by Brent Butterworth-He notes- specifically, the following:





Did you catch that?

your own source tells you literally the same thing I did

The VTF-15H is only going to be noticably better on the low end and only if you're pushing it pretty loud...(and again- that's comparing it to the step up sub from the VTF-3, though since the MK3 they're weirdly close in most measures).


So- awesome job not understanding your own source (which, turns out, was the same as my original source, which apparently you also missed Applause

The reason he's telling you that?

THX reference level requires subs to be able to hit 115db peaks (not sustained mind you).

Most folks don't listen that loudly though.

Hence why he is correctly telling you you're unlikely to notice any difference in the 40-63 range, because you'd have to be listening at nearly double (but not quite- see below for that one) THX reference level before there is a difference in that range, and even then it's barely more than 3db on average.

While in the 20-31.5Hz range the difference besides being a couple more db, splits right across the THX reference level line....

Hence why he explains if you are pushing things (ie listening around/above reference- which again most folks don't) only then, and only in the ultra-low bass region, would you notice a difference.

You know, exactly what I already told you.







Again- not really.

First- from your own source (and mine, hilariously) it's an average of only 3.6 db difference from 40-63 (and again, that's on the bigger Hsu sub), and the difference only exists at volumes nearly double THX reference level...

Also you're confusing the 3 different points at which people mix up what "double" means in a sub.

10db is what is actually perceived by a human as twice as loud.

+3 is double the power.
+6 is double the spl
+10 is double the actual perceived loudness

So while 3.6db takes twice the power, it's nowhere near twice as loud to the listener.

And since both subs exceed reference volume it'd be rare for that difference to be noticeable, because it's rare anyone listens to a home theater sub above the volume both can hit.




Given that is literally what Brent Butterworth said about it and he's forgotten more about subs than you'll ever know, and you've already make several errors in your reply here, you'll forgive me if I take his word over yours laugh out loud
Dude. you're defending suggesting that the HSU compares "poorly" to a Klipsch sub by posting quotes saying the Hsu is marginally better.

That's ... not a great debate winning strategy.

That said, I have no clue why this thread needed to be necro'd for this debate in the first place since these deals have been dead for over a month
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Dude. you're defending suggesting that the HSU compares "poorly" to a Klipsch sub
I think you might be confused about the different models Hsu offers, and what was actually being said about which one.

Here's my actual statement he took issue with (which he quotes in his post, so it's weird you're confused about it)

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Poorly...You'd need to step up to the VTF-3 Mk5 to get in the same ballpark... and even the top-end VTF-15H is only going to be noticeably better on the very low end

That is in reply to someone asking how the VTF-1 and VTF-2 compare to the Klipsch R-115. The R-115 outperforms both on average in both ranges discussed, and also at its best sale price costs over $100 less than the VTF-2 at this sale price, and has been about the same price as the VTF-1 which the Klipsch outperforms by a larger margin. Thus why I said it compared poorly to the actual topic subs of the thread. The Hsus are as or more expensive and don't perform as well.


I then quote Brent Butterworth pointing out the R-115 compares pretty well to the Hsu sub that is 2 (and 3) steps respectively better than the VTF-1 and VTF-2.- down only a small amount that would only be noticeable to most people in the very lowest range. And that's a sub that costs more than double what the R-115 does at its best sale price. So the R-115 compares well there even if it doesn't match performance- since you could buy 2 of em for less than 1 Hsu of that class.



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by posting quotes saying the Hsu is marginally better
Yes, the 2-3 steps better and more expensive Hsu is marginally better.

The 2-3 steps down ones, the ones this thread was originally about, are not- they are in fact not as good as the Klipsch in performance, and cost as much (VTF-1 on sale here) or more (VTF-2 on sale here) than the R-115 has been on sale for.

Which is literally what I actually suggested
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