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I've a Fisher model C24 W [ajmadison.com]. gas grill that has the pipe that goes to the igniter broken (metal pipe circle in blue on pic). It is supposed to be connected to the 'screw' circled in blue as well and because of that, the gas is leaking from that hole and not getting to the burner through the connection circled in red on pic which itself connect to the burner . The electric igniter is broken as well and not producing a spark so i wonder which option is best to fix that:

1) Get a screw shaped like a tire valve to cap the ignition gas pipe and have the gas go to the burner directly and bypass the electric igniter since it is not working anyway and use an elongated BBQ style lighter to start the burner.

2) Order the complete assembly and replace the whole thing but i called the manufacturer and they only sell part to dealer that will charge $95 + hourly rate to install it. + cost of the part ( I don't even know how much the part will be or where else to get it from).

I would rather go with option 1 since it seems an easier/cheaper/simpler way to go but not sure if this a valid option. Maybe there is a way to get the part from somewhere else...I'd welcome any suggesitions, thanks!

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I've a Fisker model C24 W [ajmadison.com]. gas grill that has the pipe that goes to the igniter broken (metal pipe circle in blue on pic). It is supposed to be connected to the 'screw' circled in blue as well and because of that, the gas is leaking from that hole and not getting to the burner through the connection circled in red on pic which itself connect to the burner . The electric igniter is broken as well and not producing a spark so i wonder which option is best to fix that:

1) Get a screw shaped like a tire valve to cap the ignition gas pipe and have the gas go to the burner directly and bypass the electric igniter since it is not working anyway and use an elongated BBQ style lighter to start the burner.

2) Order the complete assembly and replace the whole thing but i called the manufacturer and they only sell part to dealer that will charge $95 + hourly rate to install it. + cost of the part ( I don't even know how much the part will be or where else to get it from).

I would rather go with option 1 since it seems an easier/cheaper/simpler way to go but not sure if this a valid option. Maybe there is a way to get the part from somewhere else...I'd welcome any suggesitions, thanks!
The pipe in blue can be put back into nut circled in blue.
It's a compression fitting. Did the pipe just pull out? I don't see a broken piece in there.

What's the outlet circled in Red? guessing the burner tube removed
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The pipe in blue can be put back into nut circled in blue.
It's a compression fitting. Did the pipe just pull out? I don't see a broken piece in there.

What's the outlet circled in Red? guessing the burner tube removed
Good point, i unscrew the other side of the ignition pipe (the one that was still connected to the igniter) and it has a copper colored ring. I then removed the broken ring from the other side that was still attached to the gas pipe side. So the gas pipe that goes to the igniter is broken on the side that connect to the main gas pipe.

The ring is pressed onto the pipe so i doesn't look like i can put it back. The thing is if i'm not using the igniter can i just cap/close the gas pipe that go the igniter (assuming i can find the proper screw to do so at lowes) or can i buy a replacement pipe from somewhere else?
i attached new pics showing what i'm dealing with.
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In just a quick look I'm thinking that a place that makes brake lines for cars could bend you a new pipe. The rings that slide on the pipe and form the seal in the compression fitting are called "olives" where I come from and, again, a brake shop should have no difficulty with such fittings.
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Good point, i unscrew the other side of the ignition pipe (the one that was still connected to the igniter) and it has a copper colored ring. I then removed the broken ring from the other side that was still attached to the gas pipe side. So the gas pipe that goes to the igniter is broken on the side that connect to the main gas pipe.

The ring is pressed onto the pipe so i doesn't look like i can put it back. The thing is if i'm not using the igniter can i just cap/close the gas pipe that go the igniter (assuming i can find the proper screw to do so at lowes) or can i buy a replacement pipe from somewhere else?
i attached new pics showing what i'm dealing with.
You can buy the tube. Though what I see on amazon is $$

What is that, 1/4" pilot tube?

Yes you could cap it. I don't see any reason you couldn't use copper tube same size.

you can buy the ferrule at lowes. If your old pipe will clean up on the end, re-use it. It's compressed on the end of pipe by tightening the nut
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In just a quick look I'm thinking that a place that makes brake lines for cars could bend you a new pipe. The rings that slide on the pipe and form the seal in the compression fitting are called "olives" where I come from and, again, a brake shop should have no difficulty with such fittings.
Wouldn't have thought about that but it makes a lot of sense, will ask a shop and see what they say, thanks!
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You can buy the tube. Though what I see on amazon is $$

What is that, 1/4" pilot tube?

Yes you could cap it. I don't see any reason you couldn't use copper tube same size.

you can buy the ferrule at lowes. If your old pipe will clean up on the end, re-use it. It's compressed on the end of pipe by tightening the nut
Good to know that i can cap it with a nut find at lowes, will look into that since i don't really need the igniter anyway and also investigate fixing that pipe in case it can be done, thank you!
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Just contact the company they may send you the part for free. i had a natural gas grill blow over in the wind. Without a tank they are top heavy. They sent me a whole new bottom half of my grill.
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Just contact the company they may send you the part for free. i had a natural gas grill blow over in the wind. Without a tank they are top heavy. They sent me a whole new bottom half of my grill.
Thanks and it's a very valid point but unfortunately they only want for a dealer to come by. Great that it worked in your case, it for sure makes things a lot simpler!
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I noticed that the gas is not coming out from the burner side and only from the igniter.. even with the igniter gas line capped, when .i turned the knob to max and still no gas is flowing from the gas pipe exit of the burner. Is there a way to turn this on?
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Looks like the thermocoupler is keeping you from getting gas
you may be able to modify the gas valve, but I thought you could find the broken tube assembly as easy as the mods you made.

Never really thought about thermocouples on a grill
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Looks like the thermocoupler is keeping you from getting gas
you may be able to modify the gas valve, but I thought you could find the broken tube assembly as easy as the mods you made.

Never really thought about thermocouples on a grill
Actually finding the compression cap turns out to be really difficult because the size is smaller than 1/4 so I found a temporary work around but I'm still on the hunt for the right cap.

Regarding your point about the thermocoupler, is this a part visible on one of the pics? Can it be serviced or does it need to be replaced? Thanks!
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Actually finding the compression cap turns out to be really difficult because the size is smaller than 1/4 so I found a temporary work around but I'm still on the hunt for the right cap.

Regarding your point about the thermocoupler, is this a part visible on one of the pics? Can it be serviced or does it need to be replaced? Thanks!
works off the pilot. see the one with the copper looking line
1st pic.

Also: no reason you can't use copper tube to re-attach the pilot assembly
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Thanks, so you mean the twisted metal cable that goes from the rusty piece on the igniter to somewhere near the burner gas exhaust?

I connected the old gas line back to the igniter and since it doesn't work i used a lighter and I get a flame through the hole right after where the pipe connect to the igniter but the main gas burner still doesn't light up or has any gas coming out of it.(see pic attached)

I can now cap it (was able to find a compression cap that works ) but if how can i get gas to flow through the burner now?

PS: Fascinating how much there is to learn, thank you very much for the great education!
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Removed front plate (see pics) to check if anything was disconnected but could see anything obviously wrong. Still don't know why gas is not coming out through the burner side of the gas pipe while it does few inches before come out through the igniter exhaust connection. Any insights greatly appreciated.
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