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Dell Visor, Microsoft "Mixed Reality" (VR) Headset/Controller kit for $368 AEB. Normally $450.

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Dell Visor, Dell's version of Microsoft's "Mixed Reality" headset with controllers is on sale at Best Buy. It's normally $450 but it's $400 right now. Best Buy is also selling it through their ebay portal. Ebay has 8% ebay bucks for those that qualify. That makes the final price $368.

First let me say if your IPD is not darn close to 63mm, don't get a fixed IPD headset. You'll bum. You need to pony up and get a adjustable IPD headset. The Dell is fixed.

Right now, there's not much to do with this headset. Well... unless you signed up to beta test SteamVR. You guys all did right? SteamVR for Mixed Reality is in beta and seems to work. Also, Revive works and you can play Oculus games on a Mixed Reality headset.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Vis...2083654584

Of course you can also buy it off the Best Buy website if you don't have 8% ebucks.

Here's a review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fe3QZvpvS0
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I thought you can adjust IPD using software on Windows MR VR headsets. It is not adjustable on the headsets themselves.
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I thought you can adjust IPD using software on Windows MR VR headsets. It is not adjustable on the headsets themselves.
Software IPD adjustment sucks. All it does is adjust where the image is on the screen. This takes advantage of convergence. IPD is not static. IPD changes as people focus in closer objects. So if you have a wide IPD, you can make it slightly smaller by crossing your eyes a bit. Adjusting where the image is on the screen will do this.

Having said that, software IPD adjustment sucks. If your IPD is more than 2mm or so off of 63mm, I would not buy a fixed IPD headset.

The Samsung headset does have physical IPD adjustment. But it's a heavy monster and you loose the flip up headset. It's like Samsung was building their own VR headset anyways and just happened to jump on the Mixed Reality bandwagon. It's unlike all the other MR headsets which are variations on the reference design.
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So what other MR headsets has hardware adjustable IPD?
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So what other MR headsets has hardware adjustable IPD?
Only the Samsung. Even the Samsung is less than ideal since you aren't supposed to use to wear it with glasses. Samsung even warns not to. The problem is, to get it's higher FOV, you have to be really close to the lenses and thus no room for glasses. And since the Samsung doesn't have the flip visor, it's not as easy to adjust it to fit glasses.

In this day and age when even $4 cardboard VR headsets have both focus and IPD adjustments, it baffles me that $400-$500 headsets don't. It really needs to be a requirement on all headsets for VR to really take off. A lot of the things people complain about about VR are due to VR headsets simply not fitting. They are like eye glasses, one size does not fit all.
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Only the Samsung. Even the Samsung is less than ideal since you aren't supposed to use to wear it with glasses. Samsung even warns not to. The problem is, to get it's higher FOV, you have to be really close to the lenses and thus no room for glasses. And since the Samsung doesn't have the flip visor, it's not as easy to adjust it to fit glasses.

In this day and age when even $4 cardboard VR headsets have both focus and IPD adjustments, it baffles me that $400-$500 headsets don't. It really needs to be a requirement on all headsets for VR to really take off. A lot of the things people complain about about VR are due to VR headsets simply not fitting. They are like eye glasses, one size does not fit all.
Yeah, I do have issues with the rift and gear vr not fitting well with my glasses.

If the Samsung MR is suppose to be worn that close as you said, then I wouldn't even bother. Maybe there's a demo unit I can try sometime in the future. Or get contacts.
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Yeah, I do have issues with the rift and gear vr not fitting well with my glasses.
Gear VR has adjustable focus. Are you outside that range?

As for Rift, you can 3D print a lens insert and then buy a $10 pair of Zenni prescription lenses. Pop the lenses out and into the insert. Insert the insert into the Rift goggles and viola, prescription Rift for $10.
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Gear VR has adjustable focus. Are you outside that range?

As for Rift, you can 3D print a lens insert and then buy a $10 pair of Zenni prescription lenses. Pop the lenses out and into the insert. Insert the insert into the Rift goggles and viola, prescription Rift for $10.
It's not the issue of how far or close the lenses are for the gear vr, but rather the lense are a little too big. Not as bad as the rift though.

As for the rift, not everyone has a 3d printer, even cheap ones. And I have to get my prescription info, which some optometrists or whatever they are called are reluctant to give.
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It's not the issue of how far or close the lenses are for the gear vr, but rather the lense are a little too big. Not as bad as the rift though.

As for the rift, not everyone has a 3d printer, even cheap ones. And I have to get my prescription info, which some optometrists or whatever they are called are reluctant to give.
The gear vr lenses are too big? They are at best, middling sized. They are positively tiny compared to other goggles. The bigger the lens, the bigger the sweet spot. You want as much sweet spot as possible.

As for your prescription, no optometrists is reluctant to give that. It's the whole point of the eye exam afterall. If you have one that its, simply remind them they are required to by law. They may not give you your IPD, but you can measure that on your own. If you have a rift it's even easier. The rift tells you your IPD.

As for not having a 3D printer, there are plenty of services that will do it for you. I think there are people selling these on ebay.
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The gear vr lenses are too big? They are at best, middling sized. They are positively tiny compared to other goggles. The bigger the lens, the bigger the sweet spot. You want as much sweet spot as possible.

As for your prescription, no optometrists is reluctant to give that. It's the whole point of the eye exam afterall. If you have one that its, simply remind them they are required to by law. They may not give you your IPD, but you can measure that on your own. If you have a rift it's even easier. The rift tells you your IPD.

As for not having a 3D printer, there are plenty of services that will do it for you. I think there are people selling these on ebay.
No, my lense, as in my glasses. And what information do I need to order a pair of prescription lenses?

Rift, as far as I can tell, does not tell me my ipd. I can manually adjust it though, and there's software adjustments as well. But I don't think it has any sensors to detect my ipd.
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No, my lense, as in my glasses. And what information do I need to order a pair of prescription lenses?

Rift, as far as I can tell, does not tell me my ipd. I can manually adjust it though, and there's software adjustments as well. But I don't think it has any sensors to detect my ipd.
By law, they are required to provide your prescription. I have never had a opty that wouldn't. I have never had an opty where I even had to ask for it, they always give it. It's what you paid for afterall.

As for the rift and IPD, hit the "measure" button.

https://www.roadtovr.com/measure-...n-utility/
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By law, they are required to provide your prescription. I have never had a opty that wouldn't. I have never had an opty where I even had to ask for it, they always give it. It's what you paid for afterall.

As for the rift and IPD, hit the "measure" button.

https://www.roadtovr.com/measure-...n-utility/
I already know they can't withhold such information, but that doesn't mean they aren't reluctant to give it.

Also, it seems my ipd is below rifts minimum, less than 59 while rift min is about 59-60. At least when adjusting via the headset itself. Would adjusting via software alleviate this issue?
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Also, it seems my ipd is below rifts minimum, less than 59 while rift min is about 59-60. At least when adjusting via the headset itself. Would adjusting via software alleviate this issue?
Software? Not really. It'll look like crap and give you a headache. Will you get used to it? Sure. You can get used to anything. Google up a classic experiment where they had people where prism to make everything right side up, people got used to it. Yes, I meant right side up. We are all looking at the world upside down, that's how it's projected on our retinas. We got used to it.

Rift IPD goes down to 57.
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Software? Not really. It'll look like crap and give you a headache. Will you get used to it? Sure. You can get used to anything. Google up a classic experiment where they had people where prism to make everything right side up, people got used to it. Yes, I meant right side up. We are all looking at the world upside down, that's how it's projected on our retinas. We got used to it.

Rift IPD goes down to 57.
57 hardware wise? Not from what I see. 58-59 is the lowest unless I really push it, and it's already tight enough at the point. Maybe mine is a defect.
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57 hardware wise? Not from what I see. 58-59 is the lowest unless I really push it, and it's already tight enough at the point. Maybe mine is a defect.
"IPD RANGE 57-71mm"

https://riftinfo.com/samsungs-new...culus-rift
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