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Looks like a good deal. Thoughts on pulling the trigger on this one or waiting for the BF BB deal on the Sony XBR75X850E for $200 more?

https://slickdeals.net/f/10753639-best-buy-black-friday-75-sony-xbr75x850e-2160p-4k-ultra-hd-smart-hdtv-for-1-999-99
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Looks like a good deal. Thoughts on pulling the trigger on this one or waiting for the BF BB deal on the Sony XBR75X850E for $200 more?

https://slickdeals.net/f/10753639-best-buy-black-friday-75-sony-xbr75x850e-2160p-4k-ultra-hd-smart-hdtv-for-1-999-99
I'm in the same boat. 75X850E has a 120 hz panel and no local dimming while the Vizio M75-E1 has Full Array Local Dimming but only a 60 hz panel.

The 75X850E has an IPS panel (which is a pain in the butt because all of the reviews are on the 65" which uses a VA panel) while the Vizio 75" has a VA panel. While I'd like the wider viewing angle of the IPS, I'd also like the better contrast of the VA.

Going to see them in store today... tough choices!
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I'm in the same boat. 75X850E has a 120 hz panel and no local dimming while the Vizio M75-E1 has Full Array Local Dimming but only a 60 hz panel.

The 75X850E has an IPS panel (which is a pain in the butt because all of the reviews are on the 65" which uses a VA panel) while the Vizio 75" has a VA panel. While I'd like the wider viewing angle of the IPS, I'd also like the better contrast of the VA.

Going to see them in store today... tough choices!
I thought both had a 120hz panel. I probably misunderstood, as I didn't study the specs throughly. If you don't mind, report back on your findings. Thanks in advance
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I thought both had a 120hz panel. I probably misunderstood, as I didn't study the specs throughly. If you don't mind, report back on your findings. Thanks in advance
Vizio's site says "Effective Refresh Rate: 120Hz" but "effective" refresh rate is usually marketing speak for motion interpolation.

According to Rting's testing, it is only a 60 hz panel: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/...-xled-2017

Though it does support judder-free 24p playback from a 24p source (like a Blu-Ray player).

The other big difference (to me) is the software - the Sony has Android TV which is arguably better (can load any app you want) and integrates with Amazon's Alexa (which I already have). The Vizio integrates with Google's Home (which I don't have) and has the Vizio "Smart Cast" software.
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Vizio's site says "Effective Refresh Rate: 120Hz" but "effective" refresh rate is usually marketing speak for motion interpolation.

According to Rting's testing, it is only a 60 hz panel: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/...-xled-2017 [rtings.com]

Though it does support judder-free 24p playback from a 24p source (like a Blu-Ray player).

The other big difference (to me) is the software - the Sony has Android TV which is arguably better (can load any app you want) and integrates with Amazon's Alexa (which I already have). The Vizio integrates with Google's Home (which I don't have) and has the Vizio "Smart Cast" software.
Honestly I'd replace either's built-in streaming with a Roku, so that's not always a good factor.
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If you don't mind, report back on your findings. Thanks in advance
The Vizio M75 looked arguably better than the Sony 850E according to myself and my wife. This is based purely on the built-in "demo" modes of the TV. I asked the Best Buy employees if they had a native 4K source they could put on the TVs and they looked at me like I was asking for coordinates to the moon... so my judgement on these TVs is partially based on the demos that they did show.

The FALD dimming made the blacks blacker and the bright spots brighter on the Vizio. The Vizio demo took advantage of this by showing dark scenes with bright highlights (a night on a Venice canal with bright lights in the windows; a sunrise in a colorful city; etc). The VA panel did have some washout of color as you went to the side... but the picture still looked reasonably good and it's better than the DLP I have now. The software looked okay (if plain), the major missing feature was youtube (you can *cast* to the TV from youtube, but that will not cast HDR per my understanding).

The Sony demo made it apparent that they didn't want highlight blacks vs brights but instead focused on the colors. There were a lot of scenes with many colors but very few where you could see much black - the one that stood out to me was a soccer crowd: all of the fans in the crowd with black clothing on looked washed out. The IPS panel looked good and held a wider field of view *but* it was apparent when referencing the Vizio that it had poor contrast. In addition to the poor contrast, the Sony seemed to have a real problem with glare (which washed out the already not-highly-contrasted darks). I asked to see the Android TV software on the Sony and the Best Buy employees were unable to assist... they finally found the "Sony Rep" in the store who had a remote for the TV and they attempted to pulled it up but every TV they tried had the basic firmware so they were unable to demo anything.

What I was unable to compare was the difference in refresh rates since I could only see what was on the built-in demos. The Vizio won hands-down on overall picture quality. The Sony software is theoretically better but Best Buy was inadequate in demonstrating it. I already have a Chromecast, FireStick, Media PC, etc... so I can always just put my content through those.
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The Vizio M75 looked arguably better than the Sony 850E according to myself and my wife. This is based purely on the built-in "demo" modes of the TV. I asked the Best Buy employees if they had a native 4K source they could put on the TVs and they looked at me like I was asking for coordinates to the moon... so my judgement on these TVs is partially based on the demos that they did show.

The FALD dimming made the blacks blacker and the bright spots brighter on the Vizio. The Vizio demo took advantage of this by showing dark scenes with bright highlights (a night on a Venice canal with bright lights in the windows; a sunrise in a colorful city; etc). The VA panel did have some washout of color as you went to the side... but the picture still looked reasonably good and it's better than the DLP I have now. The software looked okay (if plain), the major missing feature was youtube (you can *cast* to the TV from youtube, but that will not cast HDR per my understanding).

The Sony demo made it apparent that they didn't want highlight blacks vs brights but instead focused on the colors. There were a lot of scenes with many colors but very few where you could see much black - the one that stood out to me was a soccer crowd: all of the fans in the crowd with black clothing on looked washed out. The IPS panel looked good and held a wider field of view *but* it was apparent when referencing the Vizio that it had poor contrast. In addition to the poor contrast, the Sony seemed to have a real problem with glare (which washed out the already not-highly-contrasted darks). I asked to see the Android TV software on the Sony and the Best Buy employees were unable to assist... they finally found the "Sony Rep" in the store who had a remote for the TV and they attempted to pulled it up but every TV they tried had the basic firmware so they were unable to demo anything.

What I was unable to compare was the difference in refresh rates since I could only see what was on the built-in demos. The Vizio won hands-down on overall picture quality. The Sony software is theoretically better but Best Buy was inadequate in demonstrating it. I already have a Chromecast, FireStick, Media PC, etc... so I can always just put my content through those.
Wow! This is super helpful. Btw...been running around all day and now watching my Dawgs on TV, so didn't get a chance to look much, but did notice the Best Buy sites notes the Vizio as 120 refresh. False advertising. Anyway, did you wind up getting the Vizio? I'm with you regarding having other media center options already.
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Anyway, did you wind up getting the Vizio?
Yes, just got back from buying it, it'll be delivered this week. Signed up for the Best Buy credit to get 10% store credit on my first purchase too! That money is going towards a Nintendo Switch.
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Vizio's site says "Effective Refresh Rate: 120Hz" but "effective" refresh rate is usually marketing speak for motion interpolation.

According to Rting's testing, it is only a 60 hz panel: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/...-xled-2017

Though it does support judder-free 24p playback from a 24p source (like a Blu-Ray player).

The other big difference (to me) is the software - the Sony has Android TV which is arguably better (can load any app you want) and integrates with Amazon's Alexa (which I already have). The Vizio integrates with Google's Home (which I don't have) and has the Vizio "Smart Cast" software.
This is the link for M series review not E
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I don't have either of the Sony or the Vizio, will never buy another vizio in my life, but looking at the specs.. the Vizio has Dolby Vision which is 12bit while Sony is 10bit HDR. Sony is rumored to have a firmware update to be compatible with dolby, but you'd still only have 10-bit as per the panel is my understanding.
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I don't have either of the Sony or the Vizio, will never buy another vizio in my life, but looking at the specs.. the Vizio has Dolby Vision which is 12bit while Sony is 10bit HDR. Sony is rumored to have a firmware update to be compatible with dolby, but you'd still only have 10-bit as per the panel is my understanding.
The rumor with Sony is that the chip (the "X1") is capable of processing Dolby Vision but Sony (in order to get you to buy the 940E for twice the price) only offers Dolby Vision support on the "X1 Extreme". They have not stated that they will or will not roll out Dolby Vision support but if DV is important to you, I wouldn't hang a hat on it.
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This is the link for M series review not E
Not sure what you're seeing when you click the link, but the title is "Vizio M Series XLED 2017" and the actual link (after rtings.com) is vizio/m-series-xled-2017.

This is the E-series review (which is also only a 60 hz panel but ): http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/...eries-2017
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