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382 48 November 18, 2017 at 08:08 AM
Windows 10 and Use outlook 2007 for email. Fine until recently and now the same on the two PC I use at home.
Just 10% of links that come in an email dont work. They all work thru the web based outlook mail with my hotmail account.
But just not when using outlook 2007 email. An example is all emails from ebay with links dont work. Always worked before for years. This started about a month ago about time MS sotpped support for outlook 2007.
And for now it is just emails from a few companies that dont work.
Highlight link and a box comes up that said Safelinks protection and other giberish and click link to follow. But does not work
Did try changing my default brower from Chrome to IE, but still no help.
also this is Win 10 and use Chrome.

I remember I had a problem and had to stop using MS outlook express when they stopped support.
Dont know why it should need support if it has worked fine for years.

Dont want to upgrade to a newer version of MS office to get outlook. Dont mind paying a one time charge. But understand most have a yearly fee now.

Only other option seems to be OE Classic. A third party problem that seems to be all I need.

Any suggestions or comments appreciated

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You're using Win10 (current version), but Office 2007.(4 versions old, not supported, unsecure)
Are you open to using OpenOffice?

https://www.openoffice.org/

There are non-subscription versions of Office you can purchase.
Does your work/school have an option to purchase Office for Home Use (Home Use Program)?
It's usually really cheap, compared to retail, like $30 or so.
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As the poster above said using an unsupported version of office especially for email is a bad idea. It's a security nightmare especially since most people run as an administrator for their daily driver accounts unnecessarily.

Any reason why you have to use outlook? If it's personal email I would recommend Webmail, followed by the build in windows mail client. There are various free options too or you could pay for a current version of office. Stand alone versions are still available.
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As the poster above said using an unsupported version of office especially for email is a bad idea. It's a security nightmare especially since most people run as an administrator for their daily driver accounts unnecessarily.

Any reason why you have to use outlook? If it's personal email I would recommend Webmail, followed by the build in windows mail client. There are various free options too or you could pay for a current version of office. Stand alone versions are still available.
Was just trying to stick with something I am used to. Dont have any discount for work/student. And like the idea of a mail program on my PC instead of web based.

For years liked Outlook express. Then MS stopped that. So bought MS office 2007 to use Outlook 2007. Got used to that and liked it.

Two more questions Please.

Is OE Classic a good choice. Handles only POP and IMAP and what I am used to.
Or stick with Outlook Express 2007. Is it secure if I do use a windows based outlook account and I think the email flows thru that first before going to my Outlook 2007.

I did solve my links problem in outlook 2007 had to configured as Exchange instead of POP3.

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Was just trying to stick with something I am used to. Dont have any discount for work/student. And like the idea of a mail program on my PC instead of web based.

For years liked Outlook express. Then MS stopped that. So bought MS office 2007 to use Outlook 2007. Got used to that and liked it.

Two more questions Please.

Is OE Classic a good choice. Handles only POP and IMAP and what I am used to.
Or stick with Outlook Express 2007. Is it secure if I do use a windows based outlook account and I think the email flows thru that first before going to my Outlook 2007.

I did solve my links problem in outlook 2007 had to configured as Exchange instead of POP3.

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I don't know OE Classic, it is still being supported os that's good. Outlook Express 2007 is not supported either, thus no longer secure. I am not sure the flow your trying to communicate. It's the programs themselves that are the insecure part. All programs have security vulnerabilities. This is even more an issue with emails because they can be acceptable to running content and sending/receiving viruses etc. Its an even bigger deal because most people run as administrators unnecessarily giving more power power to viruses to execute etc.

Have you tried the "Mail" app built into Windows 10? It's free and supported. The interface is a little different but email is pretty basic and easy to catch on to. If webmail is too difficult to change Mail would be my only personal recommendation for a free client.

As far as what connection type to use depends on your email server. Most free email providers offer Pop3 and IMAP. You usually need to pay for exchange support. I would recommend using IMAP where available over POP3 as it's a newer protocol and offers bydirectional sync. Meaning if you have this email account on a phone and your computer or ever log into webmail all of them will be in sync. With Pop3 the emails would remain on the server or be downloaded entirely to the device.
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First off, your company may have extra Office 2013 licenses lieing around. Many places decomm machines and the licenses become basically throw aways. You can ask around.


Otherwise, Office 2013\2016 licenses can be had on Ebay on the cheap (like under $10-20). Just buy from a reputable seller.
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I'm not clear on if this is a home computer or a company computer? It seems like a home unit where you are going thru MS Office to link to your ISP and get your email? Is that correct? What email service do you actually have? It is thru your Internet Service Provider, or Cox.net, yahoo.com, or outlook.com, gmail -- other?
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I'm not clear on if this is a home computer or a company computer? It seems like a home unit where you are going thru MS Office to link to your ISP and get your email? Is that correct? What email service do you actually have? It is thru your Internet Service Provider, or Cox.net, yahoo.com, or outlook.com, gmail -- other?
Home PC. And do have a outlook.com account I use. And could use the web base Outlook.com email program.

But like one based on my PC.

So have been using Outlook 2007 which was the most popular one for years. Part of MS office.

Now having to try out Outlook Express Classic which is no connection to MS or any of the others
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Ok, so I have this older person I help out a lot with her computer and she was in the same spot at you about 6 months ago because Office 2007 is no longer supported with updates and she had it synced to her computer thru Office.

Over the last 2 years, I have tried and tried to make her understand this one VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.

You do not need to sync your email to office. It actually IS A PROBLEM when you sync your email thru office, BECAUSE, you tend to set it up where the email is deleted from the server and only kept saved on your pc.

That is a PROBLEM, because if your computer crashes, you don't have a viable way to recover or check your email because it is only saved on your hard drive and not "out there" on a secure server where you could actually access it from anywhere with a username and password.

So, honesty, I would tell you to first change your settings within the MS Outlook you currently have half working so it leaves a copy on the cloud server, and the start using the web link to go to Outlook.com on the MSN page to look at email. Go to all your folders in Outlook on your PC and forward what you need to keep to yourself so it will again be out on the server.

Then get a newer version of Office if you use it for anything else. If you don't use Word or Excel, then don't get a new version -- just go to control panel of your computer and uninstall Office 2007
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Ok, so I have this older person I help out a lot with her computer and she was in the same spot at you about 6 months ago because Office 2007 is no longer supported with updates and she had it synced to her computer thru Office.

Over the last 2 years, I have tried and tried to make her understand this one VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.

You do not need to sync your email to office. It actually IS A PROBLEM when you sync your email thru office, BECAUSE, you tend to set it up where the email is deleted from the server and only kept saved on your pc.

That is a PROBLEM, because if your computer crashes, you don't have a viable way to recover or check your email because it is only saved on your hard drive and not "out there" on a secure server where you could actually access it from anywhere with a username and password.

So, honesty, I would tell you to first change your settings within the MS Outlook you currently have half working so it leaves a copy on the cloud server, and the start using the web link to go to Outlook.com on the MSN page to look at email. Go to all your folders in Outlook on your PC and forward what you need to keep to yourself so it will again be out on the server.

Then get a newer version of Office if you use it for anything else. If you don't use Word or Excel, then don't get a new version -- just go to control panel of your computer and uninstall Office 2007
Thanks for the response.

I had to just recently start using outlook 2007 setup as some sort of exchange. Links would no longer so had to change it. But with the exchange setup you no longer have the option to leave a copy on server. Before I was able to.

I am really liking this Outlook Express Classic. It is 25 bucks but well worth it for a one time charge. It is a lot like MS outlook express. Which was a very popular favorite and with me to. I lost that when MS stopped supporting that years ago. So closest thing I could find was this Outlook 2007.

With this new PC based program. My contacts are saved on my PC only. I can always use outlook.com as a backup and to recover any emails.
But I like to be able with this OE Classic to just keep it clean and delete. But knowing can always get anything back thru Outlook.com.
Also I can have my saved emails on my PC only. I could actually save them on my PC only but delete anything extremely important from outlook.com.
And it seems quick and easier to use.

And I am still one of those people that dont want to have anything out there in the cloud if I dont have to.

I do use MS word a lot. And dont want to buy a new MS office since I think all now have yearly fees. I now have the outlook 2007 not to send/receive. So I can still use that for my address book which I use with MS Word. Think that is the only way to have an address or contacts list with MS word.

Would I still be safe doing it this way?

Thanks for any suggestions.
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Thanks for the response.

I had to just recently start using outlook 2007 setup as some sort of exchange. Links would no longer so had to change it. But with the exchange setup you no longer have the option to leave a copy on server. Before I was able to.

I am really liking this Outlook Express Classic. It is 25 bucks but well worth it for a one time charge. It is a lot like MS outlook express. Which was a very popular favorite and with me to. I lost that when MS stopped supporting that years ago. So closest thing I could find was this Outlook 2007.

With this new PC based program. My contacts are saved on my PC only. I can always use outlook.com as a backup and to recover any emails.
But I like to be able with this OE Classic to just keep it clean and delete. But knowing can always get anything back thru Outlook.com.
Also I can have my saved emails on my PC only. I could actually save them on my PC only but delete anything extremely important from outlook.com.
And it seems quick and easier to use.

And I am still one of those people that dont want to have anything out there in the cloud if I dont have to.

I do use MS word a lot. And dont want to buy a new MS office since I think all now have yearly fees. I now have the outlook 2007 not to send/receive. So I can still use that for my address book which I use with MS Word. Think that is the only way to have an address or contacts list with MS word.

Would I still be safe doing it this way?

Thanks for any suggestions.

The client version of Office does not have fees. Just pay for a 2013 or 2016 license from a reputable seller on EBay for 20 dollars or less imo.

As to saving files in the cloud\on an email server....like anything else on your local PC, you should be running a backup of your data, including your Outlook pst files. Arguing to save emails in the cloud because if your computer crashes you do not have a copy is sort of besides the point. You can pay for a cloud based backup service or backup to a portable drive periodically (preferred method imo since I do not like 3rd parties being in control of my data). Either way, there is NO reason to be using cloud based Office 365 for personal use imo unless you have no other choice. Nor is there a reason to be using anything before Office 2013 or Outlook Express.


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The client version of Office does not have fees. Just pay for a 2013 or 2016 license from a reputable seller on EBay for 20 dollars or less imo.

As to saving files in the cloud\on an email server....like anything else on your local PC, you should be running a backup of your data, including your Outlook pst files. Arguing to save emails in the cloud because if your computer crashes you do not have a copy is sort of besides the point. You can pay for a cloud based backup service or backup to a portable drive periodically (preferred method imo since I do not like 3rd parties being in control of my data). Either way, there is NO reason to be using cloud based Office 365 for personal use imo unless you have no other choice. Nor is there a reason to be using anything before Office 2013 or Outlook Express.


My 2 cents.
Thanks again. That would be great at that price even if had to pay for two copies. Since have a desktop and laptop.
Never heard about a client version. Is it basically same as the others?
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Thanks again. That would be great at that price even if had to pay for two copies. Since have a desktop and laptop.
Never heard about a client version. Is it basically same as the others?

Office is a client program (i.e., as defined as running locally on a PC)...always has been. There is no server component outside of registration, Help to a certain extent and assorted other minor stuff.
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