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I am hoping someone can help me decide on a laptop. My desktop needs replaced and I have decided to buy a laptop instead. I do not play any games, but do store alot of photos plus volunteer for a Great Dane rescue group and I store all their pictures. I only do basic editing, use powerpoint, word, excel, facebook, and such.
I have read that an SSD is faster than a HDD, but will a basic user really notice the difference??
Here are two systems I am looking at, is it really worth an additional $375 to get the 1TB SSD? Are the rest of the specs that much different? I would like it to be a system that I can live with for awhile! I also do not need 16gb of Ram so could decrease that for additional savings, but put it in there for comparison.

http://store.hp.com/us/en/Configu...quantity=1

HP Envy 15t touch for $1099.99
Windows 10 Home 64
Intel® Core™ i7-7500U (2.7 GHz, up to 3.5 GHz, 4 MB cache, 2 cores) + Intel® HD Graphics 620
15.6" diagonal FHD IPS UWVA BrightView WLED-backlit (1920 x 1080) Touchscreen (for HD Camera)
16GB DDR4-2133 SDRAM (2 x 8GB)
1 TB PCIe® NVMe™ M.2 SSD
15.6" diagonal FHD IPS UWVA BrightView WLED-backlit (1920 x 1080) Touchscreen (for HD Camera)

http://store.hp.com/us/en/Configu...quantity=1

HP Envy x360 Convertible Laptop 15X touch $724.99
Windows 10 Home 64
AMD Ryzen™ 5 2500U Processor (4C/8T, 6MB cache, 3.6GHz Boost) with Radeon™ Vega 8 Graphics
16 GB DDR4-2400 SDRAM (2 x 8 GB)
1 TB 7200 rpm SATA
15.6" diagonal FHD UWVA micro-edge WLED-backlit multitouch-enabled edge-to-edge glass (1920 x 1080)

Appreciate any help as I obviously no nothing about computers!

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I would split the difference and get a smaller SSD. You're not storing photos on your laptop are you? You should be transferring those off to a backup drive (or 2) and/or cloud.
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I have a backup drive, but do store lots of photos on the laptop for them so I really need 1TB either as a HDD or SSD. I use the photos daily for posts and advertising for the rescue
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If you want to live with it for a while, definitely stick with 16GB. I got 16GB 6 years ago when I built this system and it's rare that I use it all, but not rare that I'm using well over 8GB.

I think an SSD makes a huge difference, even for basic tasks. If you don't have one now, you might not notice its absence in a new machine.
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I have a backup drive, but do store lots of photos on the laptop for them so I really need 1TB either as a HDD or SSD. I use the photos daily for posts and advertising for the rescue
You should quote the person you are responding to so they get an alert.

Anyway you don't need a ssd for the photos. To make things simple on yourself try to get a configuration that has a 1tb hdd and a 128-256gb ssd. they ryzen hp you linked has that option. it's plus 230 though for the 1tb drive and 256gb ssd. that hdd is only worth $50 so your paying a premium for it and that sucks. the hp is not easy to open but it can be done. you can choose their +130 256gb option (pretty standard if you look to buy a m.2 nvme 256gb ssd) but than you will want to buy a 1tb drive and open the unit up and add it. a 2.5 inch hdd adds 0.2lb to the build as well. if your going to have them make sure its ready to go than the $300 1tb ssd may be worth it considering what they charge for the hdd. same goes for the memory. 8gb more shoukd be a cost of $80 but they are charging $140 more? those 4gb sticks have value and $140 for 16gb is only around $20 off street price. i am just saying its hard to swallow for anyone who is used to replacing the parts themselves. since both sticks are 4gb on the base you would have to buy 2x8gb sticks so their deal is better just feels like a rip off compared to the stock price with 2x4gb. you can sell the 2x4gb for at least $60 stating it was pulled from a new unit you upgraded to 16gb etc.

a ssd is fast, as in 3+ times faster than a hdd. You will notice your laptop starts up in 10 seconds or less and not feel if windows updates are downloading/installing. Any apps you install or uninstall will happen seemingly as fast as you can click (for the most part). Launching apps will happen faster (instantly) as well.

With the hdd you will feel lag that your pretty much used to right now. There is the additional rub that if you have windows updates do anything it can feel like your laptop is 'locked' and have no clue why. Without getting into detail the windows updates will have requested a lot of actions from your disk and when you do anything your at the back of the queue/line and have to wait. A ssd is fast enough that the queue does not build up and everything seems like its happening instantly still even though its not. Further if your hdd fails it may not be dead like turning a light switch from on to off. Ot may run slow and you think something else is wrong. There are countless reviews out their for multiple units stating they are horribly slow and the reviewers pentium 2 was gaster etc. They could have a brand new barely functioning hard drive but it 'seems' to work. They think that's how it is when its not. You can actually open the eventvwr and find disk errors in that case. Sometimes you don't see the errors and have to run a hardware diagnostics (and a few different ones at that) to get a 100% good or fail. Why did you start thinking the hard drive was bad? You had some lockup and by the time all your tests are done everything seems 'ok' again.

So a lot of people have a ssd for a boot drive and than a hard drive to store their data. 1tb laptop hdd is $50. The 1tb ssd your looking at is 250ish on sale. Many laptops have a m.2 slot you can get a ssd for and than the 2.5 inch bay can be left for a hard drive of your choosing.

This is what i am eyeing myself personally as a base

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0...gen+laptop

It has a graphics card to help with video/photo editing and light gaming. Its a 8th gen i5 so its almost as good as the last gens HQ processors. The best part for you is its super easy to unscrew the plate on the bottom and install a 2.5 inch hdd. Same with adding 8gb of ram. This will also allow you to see if you need the more ram with your use or not. I recommend adding 8gb more but ram prices are crazy high.

The bad is it weighs 5.6lb. That's partly due to having a big battery you can expect 7-9 hours real world use out of (not gaming though)
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I have a backup drive, but do store lots of photos on the laptop for them so I really need 1TB either as a HDD or SSD. I use the photos daily for posts and advertising for the rescue
Remember a backup drive is just a copy so if you have a photo that is on your computer, you need space and move it to an external drive and delete from your computer this isn't a backup.

Any reason this is the laptop you have choose?

I would guess this machine can have both a hard drive an a SSD because the SSD being listed as using the M.2 port not the SATA that the hard drive would use. If this is the case it's hwat I would do. You could get a smaller SSD that would be great for normal tasks, launching software, windows in general (250gb) and then on your internal hard drive you could have your bulk storage for photos, music etc. I don't know this is true for sure with that machine but it's worth investigating.

SSD make a huge difference in terms of performance and feel of the machine. Definitely recommend one.
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Remember a backup drive is just a copy so if you have a photo that is on your computer, you need space and move it to an external drive and delete from your computer this isn't a backup.

Any reason this is the laptop you have choose?

I would guess this machine can have both a hard drive an a SSD because the SSD being listed as using the M.2 port not the SATA that the hard drive would use. If this is the case it's hwat I would do. You could get a smaller SSD that would be great for normal tasks, launching software, windows in general (250gb) and then on your internal hard drive you could have your bulk storage for photos, music etc. I don't know this is true for sure with that machine but it's worth investigating.

SSD make a huge difference in terms of performance and feel of the machine. Definitely recommend one.
In the past I had my desktop crash and I lost all my photos, so now I keep an external HDD that I backup regularly. I probably need to invest in cloud storage, but have not yet.

As for why these laptops......The one with the 1TB SSD was pretty much the only one in my price range. Otherwise I am open to suggestions, but do not really want to go over $1000. I will look at other options that have the 1TB HDD with additional SSD.
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Remember a backup drive is just a copy so if you have a photo that is on your computer, you need space and move it to an external drive and delete from your computer this isn't a backup.

Any reason this is the laptop you have choose?

I would guess this machine can have both a hard drive an a SSD because the SSD being listed as using the M.2 port not the SATA that the hard drive would use. If this is the case it's hwat I would do. You could get a smaller SSD that would be great for normal tasks, launching software, windows in general (250gb) and then on your internal hard drive you could have your bulk storage for photos, music etc. I don't know this is true for sure with that machine but it's worth investigating.

SSD make a huge difference in terms of performance and feel of the machine. Definitely recommend one.
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In the past I had my desktop crash and I lost all my photos, so now I keep an external HDD that I backup regularly. I probably need to invest in cloud storage, but have not yet.

As for why these laptops......The one with the 1TB SSD was pretty much the only one in my price range. Otherwise I am open to suggestions, but do not really want to go over $1000. I will look at other options that have the 1TB HDD with additional SSD.
So here is an OMEN 15 for $917.49 Would this be a better option
Specs
Windows 10 Home 64
Intel® Core™ i7-7700HQ (2.8 GHz, up to 3.8 GHz, 6 MB cache, 4 cores) + NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1050 (2 GB GDDR5 dedicated)
12 GB DDR4-2400 SDRAM (1 x 4 GB, 1 x 8 GB)
15.6" diagonal FHD IPS UWVA anti-glare WLED-backlit (1920 x 1080)
1 TB 7200 rpm SATA + 512 GB PCIe® NVMe™ M.2 SSD
http://store.hp.com/us/en/Configu...quantity=1
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In the past I had my desktop crash and I lost all my photos, so now I keep an external HDD that I backup regularly. I probably need to invest in cloud storage, but have not yet.

As for why these laptops......The one with the 1TB SSD was pretty much the only one in my price range. Otherwise I am open to suggestions, but do not really want to go over $1000. I will look at other options that have the 1TB HDD with additional SSD.
So you have more then one copy of photos on more then one device then? Ya cloud backup is a great option for many people. It can get complicated if you have a lot of external hard drives though as they tend to have to be connected and scanned every 30 days etc.

If your organization is a non profit you should look into GSuite for Non Profits https://support.google.com/nonpro...ic=3247288 or open a free gmail account for the group and upload some photos to a Drive account.

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So here is an OMEN 15 for $917.49 Would this be a better option
Specs
Windows 10 Home 64
Intel® Core™ i7-7700HQ (2.8 GHz, up to 3.8 GHz, 6 MB cache, 4 cores) + NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1050 (2 GB GDDR5 dedicated)
12 GB DDR4-2400 SDRAM (1 x 4 GB, 1 x 8 GB)
15.6" diagonal FHD IPS UWVA anti-glare WLED-backlit (1920 x 1080)
1 TB 7200 rpm SATA + 512 GB PCIe® NVMe™ M.2 SSD
http://store.hp.com/us/en/Configu...quantity=1
I don't know the HP line of products very well and personally am not a fan of their machines in general due to build quality issues. Business lines tend to have the best build quality. That machine you picked most recently looks to be more of a gaming machine and I would guess costs quite a bit more. (The URL is broken) It's overkill in my opinion for what you described as it has a quite high end processor, 12gb ram and a fairly powerful GPU. My comment on the other machine is I think you could add a hard drive to it yourself or have someone do it locally. SSD's are great but they are very unnecessary to store photos on. You are paying for the speed so it's best to put more often accessed things there like programs, the operating system etc.

I will also say this time of the year is generally good to buy computers, Dell runs great coupons, and their outlet is a great way to find a deal.
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So you have more then one copy of photos on more then one device then? Ya cloud backup is a great option for many people. It can get complicated if you have a lot of external hard drives though as they tend to have to be connected and scanned every 30 days etc.

If your organization is a non profit you should look into GSuite for Non Profits https://support.google.com/nonpro...ic=3247288 or open a free gmail account for the group and upload some photos to a Drive account.



I don't know the HP line of products very well and personally am not a fan of their machines in general due to build quality issues. Business lines tend to have the best build quality. That machine you picked most recently looks to be more of a gaming machine and I would guess costs quite a bit more. (The URL is broken) It's overkill in my opinion for what you described as it has a quite high end processor, 12gb ram and a fairly powerful GPU. My comment on the other machine is I think you could add a hard drive to it yourself or have someone do it locally. SSD's are great but they are very unnecessary to store photos on. You are paying for the speed so it's best to put more often accessed things there like programs, the operating system etc.

I will also say this time of the year is generally good to buy computers, Dell runs great coupons, and their outlet is a great way to find a deal.
Thanks I will look unto the link you posted for non-profits! I had looked at Dell, but they were more expensive, but I will look again!
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