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Fleck 5600SXT 48,000 grain Water Softener - $475 Free shipping

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I'm not related to this company, but I've been needing a water softener the past few weeks for new house and have been tracking a few models on Amazon / Lowes. I went to one of the Amazon Marketplace's sellers website directly and found this sale.


This seems to be the best price for a 48,000 grain model with a quality digital Fleck 5600 SXT meter and 10% cross-linked cation resin. For a family of 4/5 I wouldn't go lower than a 48,000 grain. 32,000 grain can work now, but in 5 years when the beads lose capacity it'll be more like 20,000 grain. Also, salt usage scales non-linearly with how much grains you user per cycle. You can regen 20,000 grain with 8 lbs but it takes 18 lbs to regen 32,000 grains for a 32,000 grain softener. In a 48,000 grain softener that same 32,000 grains only takes about 12 lbs.

I initially purchased a Whirlpool from Lowes for $400 after coupon, but there are tons of horror stories about them being throw-away units that are ridiculously expensive to service, you need to buy $30 of cleaner for the 2 year warranty, and the manual requires you to brush out the complicated brine venturi with a toothbrush yearly. The Flecks are user-serviceable.

Appears to come with all the installation parts, including the metal quick bypass valve which other providers usually charge $30-$40.

https://www.liquagen.com/product/...-capacity/

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This is potentially a thread I've been waiting for. I've been looking at a Hellenbrand unit, but have been hesitant to pull the trigger because of cost. Why should I bite on this over another fleck unit (other than the obviously nice cost) or clack-valve unit?
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Thumbs up because not another laptop or cell phone deal. We need more members chasing down stuff like this.
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This is potentially a thread I've been waiting for. I've been looking at a Hellenbrand unit, but have been hesitant to pull the trigger because of cost. Why should I bite on this over another fleck unit (other than the obviously nice cost) or clack-valve unit?
I've not researched other brands. Fleck is generally regarded as a good mix of reliability and cost. Clack will be the most reliable, but expensive. The digital meters are a bit nicer for saving salt so it only regenerates when it needs it. A lot of cheaper units with mechanical meters or fixed cycle meters will be salt hogs.

As far as this deal, these are Pentair (a sub-brander of Fleck) units.

As I mentioned, this appears to come with the stainless steel quick bypass valve that a lot of other Fleck rebranders only bundle a glass-fiber nylon valve.


If you want to research against other Pentair sellers:
https://www.amazon.com/Metered-so...8000+grain

The bypass valve:
https://www.amazon.com/bypass-val...pass+valve



Fleck just makes the valve and meter assembly. Rebranders (Pentair, DuraWater, etc) take the Fleck valve and pair with a tank and brine tank, and resin and sell it as a kit to installers (LiquaGen). This kit will be nearly the same as other Fleck sellers. The only question is the resin, but judging by the Amazon reviews it's not cheap/crap Made In China resin. You at least want something Made in USA.


The 10% cation resin buys you a few extra years of resin life if you have Chlorinated water. City Chlorine reeks havoc on the resin. 10% resin will generally last you 10-12 years. 8% resin is about 8-9 years. Non-crosslinked will last maybe 5-6 years.


These units are easily serviceable. When you need to change the resin in the future ($80-100 by mail), just unscrew the top, pour out the resin, inspect the bottom manifold (replacing if its cracked chlorine does bad things to plastic), put new resin in and it'll work another 10 years. Maybe take some of the gaskets apart and re-lube with silicone.

The bypass makes servicing easier. You just turn the lever and the house water still works while you service the unit.


Edit: Looks like Hellenbrand is just a re-brander. Their E3 unit is a Fleck 5800. The other ones are a different meter manufacturer.
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I bought the same water softener along with the Iron Pro filter from Liquagen off of Amazon in July. The water from our cottage's tap was completely undrinkable until we added this. It does a great job. Liquagen shipped it promptly and responded to all of my emails, but they were mostly one word answers or did not clarify exactly what I asked. I eventually got everything I needed to know, though. They didn't supply the silicone grease and no stores carried it where our vacation home is, so they told us to use vegetable oil.
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I bought the same water softener along with the Iron Pro filter from Liquagen off of Amazon in July. The water from our cottage's tap was completely undrinkable until we added this. It does a great job. Liquagen shipped it promptly and responded to all of my emails, but they were mostly one word answers or did not clarify exactly what I asked. I eventually got everything I needed to know, though. They didn't supply the silicone grease and no stores carried it where our vacation home is, so they told us to use vegetable oil.
Good to know.

The instruction manual indicates silicone is provided, otherwise it's $3 at Lowes.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Oatey-Si...e/50236505

https://www.liquagen.com/wp-conte...nGuide.pdf


IIRC Pentair bundles it. Maybe the kit you bought was a different model kit and a different re-brander.
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The instructions did say that it was included, as did the first email from Liquagen (even though my first sentence was, "The instructions state that silicone grease is included and it isn't the box." and they responded with, "It is included in the box." Things like that drive me nuts.). Lowes, Home Depot, and Mendards were all out at my house and Rural King and Ace didn't have it at our cottage. It was as if everyone in a 200 mile area decided that they needed silicone grease at the same time.

I bought the "Iron Pro 48K combination water softener & iron filter with Fleck 5600 SXT digital metered valve from Liquagen" according to Amazon. I'm pretty sure it is the same water softener with an iron filter added, but I'm not pro. This is my first water softener.
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please learn from my mistakes.

Do an appropriate water test before buying a softener. Not some test strips, but like a $50 mail in water test. See what you are actually battling with in your water. Make sure a softener is the right tool for the job. For me a softener wasn't necessarily what i needed. it works but isn't ideal. I needed a iron removal system.

Secondly do a calculation on your size need. This can be done after you get the hardness test results on your water. Get an appropriately sized system for your specific needs, family size is one part of the calc but so is the condition of your incoming water
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please learn from my mistakes.

Do an appropriate water test before buying a softener. Not some test strips, but like a $50 mail in water test. See what you are actually battling with in your water. Make sure a softener is the right tool for the job. For me a softener wasn't necessarily what i needed. it works but isn't ideal. I needed a iron removal system.

Secondly do a calculation on your size need. This can be done after you get the hardness test results on your water. Get an appropriately sized system for your specific needs, family size is one part of the calc but so is the condition of your incoming water
Water softeners will work for removing iron, as long as you use an additive or special salt, but I agree with a test. Each grain of iron is 5 gpg of water softening. Usually water softeners won't soften above 150 gpg or so. So if you have very iron-rich water, you'd want a special filter.

Also if it's non-dissolved iron, you'd want a pre-filter.


If your city has hard water check the city's webpage, they will post the test numbers.

Water softeners also reduce some nasties like Radium in the water.
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Water softeners will work for removing iron, as long as you use an additive or special salt, but I agree with a test. Each grain of iron is 5 gpg of water softening. Usually water softeners won't soften above 150 gpg or so. So if you have very iron-rich water, you'd want a special filter.

Also if it's non-dissolved iron, you'd want a pre-filter.


If your city has hard water check the city's webpage, they will post the test numbers.

Water softeners also reduce some nasties like Radium in the water.

yes true, they will remove iron but they are not the most effective for removing all iron types, nor are they the correct tool for removing large amounts of iron. In the end the iron can end up fouling water softener resin. And in the end too this fouling of the resin can lead to hard water seeping past the softener. Again not saying a softener can't remove some amount of iron. However if you have very high iron in your well water like me, where you can smell it if you bypass the filtration equipment. then you want to do an appropriate water test to ensure you get the proper equipment to fix your specific problem.
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We have the water heater and manifold in the attic of our 3 1/2 story townhome. It's just what they do here.

Do you guys think adding a water softener nearby will be a weight issue?
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We have the water heater and manifold in the attic of our 3 1/2 story townhome. It's just what they do here.

Do you guys think adding a water softener nearby will be a weight issue?
Probably not an issue if the load is distributed properly, the softener loaded with resin and water will be 300lbs, so 1.5-2x a human.

The salt tank will probably be 200lbs fully loaded.

A 50 gallon water heater is 500lbs of water, not including the weight of the tank itself.


If you live in an area with snow, that is heavier.


If you think about something like a well-built dresser, that is about 200lbs. Homes are built for this kind of stuff.
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Probably not an issue if the load is distributed properly, the softener loaded with resin and water will be 300lbs, so 1.5-2x a human.

The salt tank will probably be 200lbs fully loaded.

A 50 gallon water heater is 500lbs of water, not including the weight of the tank itself.


If you live in an area with snow, that is heavier.


If you think about something like a well-built dresser, that is about 200lbs. Homes are built for this kind of stuff.
Fair enough. Now the fun part of taking it up 4 flights for installation Smilie

Thanks for the reply and the deal!
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Agree with the thumbs up just for posting a deal on this compared to the myriad $1 off Amazon tchotchkes that fill the front page.

I bought one of those maligned Whirlpool softeners at Lowe's for about $300. At the time I couldn't find a deal on any higher quality unit like this one but I figured for $300 if I had to replace the whole thing in 5 to 10 years I would still come out ahead. A few years in and it's running fine.

For what it's worth cleaning the venturi assembly isn't a big deal, just takes a few minutes mostly just trying not to lose its small pieces.

And buying their cleanser to extend the warranty got me into the good habit of cleaning the resin which I believe is a good idea whichever unit you get. The Whirlpool brand cleanser is just dilute phosphoric acid which you can find cheaper in products such as ResCare.

Finally with the space I have to work with I actually prefer the smaller footprint of the cheap big box softeners which have the brinewell in the salt tank.

In any case this seems like a good deal just make sure you do your maintenance.
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i have this,installed myself and runs like champ for over 3 years.Recommended and by the way i paid little more so it is a good deal
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