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UPDATE 11/30/2017 Thanks to Koby007:
Quote from koby007
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Great, thank you.
Just finished chatting with Lorex:

1. Cyberweek sale ends at 11:59pm, Sunday night, 12/3, Eastern Time.
2. If you purchased from Lorex (not sure if purchased elsewhere), you are NOT required to return the cables if they are installed already. (OP note * )
3. No restocking fee, but you pay for shipping back on returns withing 60 days.
4. Lorex will cover shipping both ways within 60 days for replacement if any of the items are defective.

...

( * - I do still prefer using bulk cable, as that means I can drill smaller holes and it makes it easier for me to pull cables through conduit - of course a lot depends on your home / building and the cable runs, those with nice accessible attics in 1 story building have the easier job of this. Also when I get to pick the cable I can ensure I am getting a good solid cable - probably not as much of an issue in the pricier kits. )

Lorex Black Friday security camera systems deals 2017, Sale Ends November 24

From
https://www.lorextechnology.com/e.../N-1sos93p

Sale Ends November 24

BLACK25 - 25% off prices, does not apply to Black Friday specials
( During the summer they had a 15% off promo code, and recently during the fall a 10% off )

In general it looks the camera only SKUs are rather pricey.
Closer inspection shows that there is a better value to buying the Black Friday special kits.

Black Friday specials - no additional promo codes applies:

Free shipping. 60 day returns.

Some great information from Dumbcanuck ( thanks! )
Quote from dumbcanuck
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Spoke to a sales guy at Lorex that was really helpful...

According to him the prices will go up after this promo, slightly higher after black friday and a larger jump after that

There is a certain top cash back site that gives 8 percent from lorex Peace
NEW = New Product.

OP notes:
Coax Analog systems, looks like some good deals on the kits, I know more about IP PoE Dahua OEM cameras from Chinese vendors, so to save time I will skip doing a more detailed look at these. If you are interested in these products I recommend getting at least a 8 channel version, and hopefully one with the best cameras they have available and skip the more affordable plastic cased ones.

There's some really nice IP PoE kit deals:
To determine the value of the deal I am comparing as similar as possible Dahua OEM IP PoE cameras and NVRs from Chinese vendors. ( Dahua is the OEM )
If the price is equal or lower, then it is a good deal. I recommend the 4K kits in general, some very nice solid cameras and NVRs.


Coax, Analog systems. More affordable models ( plastic cases )

1080p Security surveillance camera system with 4 outdoor 1080p cameras, 130ft night vision
LX1080-44BW,
NEW
Reg. $349.99 BF: $199.99

1080p Camera System with 8 Channel DVR and 8 1080p Outdoor Security Cameras
LX1080-88BW.
NEW
Reg. $499.99 BF: $299.99


1080p 16 Channel HD Security Camera System with 16 1080p Outdoor Cameras
LX1080-166BW,
NEW
Reg. $1,149.99 BF: $549.99



Coax, Analog systems. Nicer cameras with metal cases.

4 Channel 1080p HD Security Camera System with 4 1080p Metal Outdoor Cameras, 150FT Night Vision
2KMPX422D,
NEW
Reg. $549.99 BF: $299.99


8 Channel 1080p HD Security Camera System with 8 1080p Metal Outdoor Cameras, 150FT Night Vision
2KMPX844D,
NEW
Reg. $1,049.99 BF: $499.99


16 Channel 1080p HD Security Camera System with 16 1080p Metal Outdoor Cameras, 150FT Night Vision
2KMPX1688D,
NEW
Reg. $1,449.99 BF: $899.99



Coax, Analog systems. Higher resolution cameras.

4MP Super HD 4 Channel Security System with 4 Super HD 4MP Cameras
2KMPX44,
NEW
Reg. $529.99 BF: $299.99
Note: Only 4 ports in the NVR, recommend getting at least 8 ports.

4MP Super HD 4 Channel Security System with 8 Super HD 4MP Cameras
2KMPX88,
NEW
Reg. $929.99 BF: $499.99

4MP Super HD 4 Channel Security System with 16 Super HD 4MP Cameras
2KMPX1616,
NEW
Reg. $1,649.99 BF: $849.99



Wire Free product line, new product:
Lorex has entered the wire free consumer camera market, this is their 1st gen new product.

HD 1080p Wire Free Security Camera System with 2 White Rechargeable Night Vision Cameras
LWF1080W-62,
NEW
Reg. $479.99 BF: $299.99
1x DVR: LHB9061T Wire-Free DVR ( that is the DVR is for wire free cameras, DVR has AC power adapter so it is wired power ) Supports up to 6 cameras.
w/ 1TB HDD
2x Wire Free Bullet Camera: LWB3801-Series, IP65, 1080p, FOV 88°, WiFi, Battery Operated, Rechargeable power packs.
Note: No monthly fees. White cameras, for some reason more affordable than the black ones, did not see any other difference.

HD 1080p Wire Free Security Camera System with 4 White Rechargeable Night Vision Cameras
LWF1080W-64
NEW
Reg. $799.99 BF:$399.99
1x DVR: LHB9061T Wire-Free DVR ( that is the DVR is for wire free cameras, DVR has AC power adapter so it is wired power ) Supports up to 6 cameras.
w/ 1TB HDD
4x Wire Free Bullet Camera: LWB3801-Series, IP65, 1080p, FOV 88°, WiFi, Battery Operated, Rechargeable power packs.
Note: No monthly fees. White cameras, for some reason more affordable than the black ones, did not see any other difference.

HD 1080p Wire Free Security Camera System with 6 White Rechargeable Night Vision Cameras
LWF1080W-66
NEW
Reg. $1,049.99 BF: $499.99
1x DVR: LHB9061T Wire-Free DVR ( that is the DVR is for wire free cameras, DVR has AC power adapter so it is wired power ) Supports up to 6 cameras.
w/ 1TB HDD
6x Wire Free Bullet Camera: LWB3801-Series, IP65, 1080p, FOV 88°, WiFi, Battery Operated, Rechargeable power packs.
Note: No monthly fees. White cameras, for some reason more affordable than the black ones, did not see any other difference.


HD 1080p Wire Free Security Camera System with 2 Black Rechargeable 80ft Night Vision Cameras
LWF1080B-62
NEW
Reg. $589.99 BF: $389.99
1x DVR: LHB9061T Wire-Free DVR ( that is the DVR is for wire free cameras, DVR has AC power adapter so it is wired power ) Supports up to 6 cameras.
w/ 1TB HDD
2x Wire Free Bullet Camera: LWB3900, IP65, 1080p, FOV 88°, WiFi, Battery Operated, Rechargeable power packs.
Note: No monthly fees.

HD 1080p Wire Free Security Camera System with 4 Black Rechargeable 80ft Night Vision Cameras
LWF1080B-64
NEW
Reg. $899.99 BF: $489.99
1x DVR: LHB9061T Wire-Free DVR ( that is the DVR is for wire free cameras, DVR has AC power adapter so it is wired power ) Supports up to 6 cameras.
w/ 1TB HDD
4x Wire Free Bullet Camera: LWB3900, IP65, 1080p, FOV 88°, WiFi, Battery Operated, Rechargeable power packs.
Note: No monthly fees.

HD 1080p Wire Free Security Camera System with 6 Black Rechargeable 80ft Night Vision Cameras
LWF1080B-66
NEW
Reg. $1,179.99 BF: $589.99
1x DVR: LHB9061T Wire-Free DVR ( that is the DVR is for wire free cameras, DVR has AC power adapter so it is wired power ) Supports up to 6 cameras.
w/ 1TB HDD
6x Wire Free Bullet Camera: LWB3900, IP65, 1080p, FOV 88°, WiFi, Battery Operated, Rechargeable power packs.
Note: No monthly fees.



FLIR Secure app only Cameras:
( Looks like these cameras are locked down cameras )

Wifi Home Security Camera with 2K Super HD Resolution (black)
FXC-V
NEW
Reg. $249.99 BF: $79.99
Notes: 4MP (2680 x 1440), FOV 155° diagonal, 130° with dewarping, Audio full duplex, microSD card up to 64GB ( 16GB included), WiFi, bluetooth BLE, Amazon Alexa 3rd party support. Does not have an RTSP stream works only with FLIR Secure app.

2K Outdoor WiFi Security Camera with 60ft Night Vision and 155 degree Wide-Angle Lens
FXC-O
NEW
Reg. $349.99 BF: $129.99
Notes: 4MP Super HD (2680 x 1440), FOV 155° diagonal, 130° with dewarping field of view, IP66, Audio full duplex, microSD card up to 64GB ( 16GB included), WiFi, bluetooth BLE, Amazon Alexa 3rd party support. Does not have an RTSP stream works only with FLIR Secure app.



IP PoE systems, 3MP:
Note: More affordable "lite" NVR model which can handle 4K cameras.

2K IP Security Camera System with 4 Channel NVR and 4 HD Outdoor 3MP Cameras
LN1080-44
NEW
Reg. $649.99 BF: $369.99
1x NVR: NR8141, supports 4K / 8MP cameras, 4 PoE ports, No Alarm I/O. External AC power adapter ( thus quieter ).
w/ 1TB HDD
4x Bullet Camera: LNB3163B: 3MP, 3MP (2048×1536) @ 25fps, H FOV 75°, 2.8mm F2.0 / Fixed, IP66, metal case
Note: Recommend getting a NVR with at least 8 ports.

2K IP Security Camera System with 8 Channel NVR and 8 HD Outdoor 3MP Cameras
LN1080-88
NEW
Reg. $1,029.99 BF: $569.99
1x NVR: NR8182, supports 4K / 8MP cameras, 8 PoE ports, No Alarm I/O. External AC power adapter ( thus quieter ).
w/ 2TB HDD
8x Bullet Camera: LNB3163B: 3MP, 3MP (2048×1536) @ 25fps, H FOV 75°, 2.8mm F2.0 / Fixed, IP66, metal case



IP PoE systems, 2K ( 4MP ):

Note: Same solid "pro" NVR as in the 4K kits, and thus can handle 4K cameras.

8 channel home security system with 2K resolution IP cameras, 130ft color night vision
2KHDIP844D
NEW
Reg. $1,529.99 BF: $799.99
1x NVR: NR9082 8 channel, 8 PoE ports, 4K, + Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
w/2 TB HDD
4x Bullet Camera: LNB4421: 4MP / 2K, IP66, 4MP (2688×1520) @ 20fps, 2.8mm F2.0 / Fixed, 90°
4x Turret Camera: LNE4422: 4MP / 2K IP66, 4MP (2688×1520) @ 20fps, 2.8mm F2.0 / Fixed, 90°
Note: Nice NVR able to handle 4K cameras.

2K IP Security Camera System with 16 Outdoor Cameras and 16 Channel NVR
2KHDIP1616D
NEW
Reg. $1,999.99 BF: $1,299.99
1x NVR: NR9163 - 16 channel, 16 PoE ports, 4K, + Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
w/ 3TB HDD
8x Bullet Camera: LNB4421: 4MP / 2K, IP66, 4MP (2688×1520) @ 20fps, 2.8mm F2.0 / Fixed, 90°
8x Turret Camera: LNE4422: 4MP / 2K IP66, 4MP (2688×1520) @ 20fps, 2.8mm F2.0 / Fixed, 90°
Note: Nice NVR able to handle 4K cameras.

2K IP Security Camera System with 28 Outdoor Cameras
2KHDIP3228D
NEW
Reg. $3,899.99 BF: $1,999.99
1x NVR: NR9326, 32 channel, 16 PoE ports, 4K / 8MP cameras supported, Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
w/ 6TB HDD
14x Bullet Camera: LNB4421: 4MP / 2K, IP66, 4MP (2688×1520) @ 20fps, 2.8mm F2.0 / Fixed, 90°
14x Turret Camera: LNE4422: 4MP / 2K IP66, 4MP (2688×1520) @ 20fps, 2.8mm F2.0 / Fixed, 90°
1x Switch: ACCDPS262B 16 PoE port switch
Note: from the picture it looks like 14 of each type of camera. Nice NVR able to handle 4K cameras.



IP PoE systems, 4K ( 8MP ):

4K Ultra HD IP NVR System with 12 Outdoor 4K 8MP IP Cameras, 130ft Night Vision
4KHDIP1612W
NEW
Reg. $2,399.99 BF: $1,499.99
1x NVR: NR9163 - 16 channel, 16 PoE ports, 4K, + Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
w/ 3TB HDD
12x Bullet Camera: LNB8111B - bullet, IP66, FOV H 88°, 8MP/4K (3840x2160) @ 15fps
note: similar cameras to the Lorex 4K kit at Costco
Comparison w/ordering similar components from Chinese vendors:
NVR $440 + 12x $150 + 3TB HDD = $2240 + 3TB HDD
ID spec distance and associated area max covered calculations ( 100ppf+ ):
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8005 / LNB8111B Bullet Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HFW4830E-S 4K camera 4mm lens 88 degrees: 25.0 feet { 479.7 sq feet covered max }


4K Ultra HD IP NVR System with 16 Outdoor 4K 8MP IP Cameras, 250FT Night Vision
4KHDIP1688NV
NEW
Reg. $4,799.99 BF: $2,399.99
1x NVR: NR9163 - 16 channel, 16 PoE ports, 4K, + Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
w/ 3TB HDD
8x Bullet Camera: LNB8973B - bullet, IP67, varifocal 2.8-12mm (4x optical zoom), FOV H:102°~39°; V:55°~22° D:125°~42°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB
8x Turret Camera: LNE8950AB - Turret / Eyeball ( Lorex is calling this a dome, but that's not really proper ), IP67, 2.8mm, FOV: H:113°; V:65° D:125°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB,
Comparison w/ordering similar components from Chinese vendors:
NVR $440 + 8x $250 +8x $150 + 3TB HDD = $3640 + 3TB HDD
ID spec distance and associated area max covered calculations ( 100ppf+ ):
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8973 Bullet Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HFW5830E-Z Bullet Camera 4K 3840(H)×2160 (V) varifocal 2.8-12mm lens FOV H:102°~39°: 21.58~56.44 feet { 414.4~1083.59 sq feet covered max }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNE8950AB "Dome" / Turret Camera 3840(H)×2160 (V) 2.8 lens FOV H:112.5°: 19.57 feet { 375.8 sq feet covered max }


4K Ultra HD IP NVR System with 8 Outdoor 4K 8MP IP Cameras, 250FT Night Vision
4KHDIP1644NV
NEW
Reg. $3,149.99 BF:$1,599.99
1x NVR: NR9163 - 16 channel, 16 PoE ports, 4K, + Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
w/ 3TB HDD
4x Bullet Camera: LNB8973B - bullet, IP67, varifocal 2.8-12mm (4x optical zoom), FOV H:102°~39°; V:55°~22° D:125°~42°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB
4x Turret Camera: LNE8974BW - Turret / Eyeball ( Lorex is calling this a dome, but that's not really proper ), IP67, varifocal, 2.8-12mm ( 4x optical zoom ), FOV: H:102°~39°; V:55°~22° D:125°~42°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB
note: On page Lorex notes: "4K NVR can support up to 8 cameras" even though it has 16 channels. Looks like a mistake as this NVR is bundled w/a 22 camera kit, thus should have enough power for 16 cameras.
Comparison w/ordering similar components from Chinese vendors:
NVR $440 + 4x $250 + 4x $230 + 3TB HDD = $2360 + 3TB HDD
OP Notes: Recommend this system as I really like the varifocal cameras included in the kit which. Normally kits only include fixed focal lens cameras.
ID spec distance and associated area max covered calculations ( 100ppf+ ):
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8973 Bullet Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HFW5830E-Z Bullet Camera 4K 3840(H)×2160 (V) varifocal 2.8-12mm lens FOV H:102°~39°: 21.58~56.44 feet { 414.4~1083.59 sq feet covered max }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNE8974 "Dome" / Turret Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HDW5830R-Z Turret Camera 4K 3840(H)×2160 (V) varifocal 2.8-12mm lens FOV H:102°~39°: 21.58~56.44 feet { 414.3~1083.59 sq feet covered max }



4K Ultra HD IP NVR System with 16 Outdoor 4K 8MP IP Cameras, 200FT Night Vision
4KHDIP1688N
NEW
Reg. $3,899.99 BF:$1,999.99
1x NVR: NR9163 - 16 channel, 16 PoE ports, 4K, + Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
w/3TB HDD
8x Bullet Camera: LNB8921BW - bullet, IP66, 2.8mm, FOV H:112.5° V:65° D: 125°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps
8x Turret Camera: LNE8950AB - Turret / Eyeball ( Lorex is calling this a dome, but that's not really proper ), IP67, 2.8mm, FOV: H:113°; V:65° D:125°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB,
Comparison w/ordering similar components from Chinese vendors:
NVR $440 + 8x $150 + 8x $150 + 3TB HDD = $2840 + 3TB HDD
ID spec distance and associated area max covered calculations ( 100ppf+ ):
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8921BW Bullet Camera 3840(H)×2160 (V) 2.8 lens FOV H:112.5°: 19.57 feet { 375.8 sq feet covered max }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNE8950AB "Dome" / Turret Camera 3840(H)×2160 (V) 2.8 lens FOV H:112.5°: 19.57 feet { 375.8 sq feet covered max }



4K Ultra HD IP NVR System with 10 4K IP Dome and 12 4K IP Motorized Bullet Cameras, 250FT Night Vision
4KHDIP3222NV
NEW
Reg. $6,299.99 BF: $3,999.99
1x NVR: NR9163 - 16 channel, 16 PoE ports, 4K, + Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
w/6TB HDD
12x Bullet Camera: LNB8973B - bullet, IP67, varifocal 2.8-12mm (4x optical zoom), FOV H:102°~39°; V:55°~22° D:125°~42°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB
10x Turret Camera: LNE8950AB - Turret / Eyeball ( Lorex is calling this a dome, but that's not really proper ), IP67, 2.8mm, FOV: H:113°; V:65° D:125°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB,
1x Switch: 16 Port PoE switch ( total 32 ports )
Note: I believe the webpage for this lists the wrong NVR model as well as has the incorrect picture of the back of the NVR, believe it should be NR9326 ( basically the same NVR w/16 PoE ports but configured to handle 32 video channels ), believe the PoE switch model is the same as in the 2K kit with 28 cameras.
Comparison w/ordering similar components from Chinese vendors:
NVR $460 + 10x $150 + 12x $250 + 6TB HDD + 16 port PoE switch = $4950 + 6TH HDD + 16 port PoE switch
ID spec distance and associated area max covered calculations ( 100ppf+ ):
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8973 Bullet Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HFW5830E-Z Bullet Camera 4K 3840(H)×2160 (V) varifocal 2.8-12mm lens FOV H:102°~39°: 21.58~56.44 feet { 414.4~1083.59 sq feet covered max }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNE8950AB "Dome" / Turret Camera 3840(H)×2160 (V) 2.8 lens FOV H:112.5°: 19.57 feet { 375.8 sq feet covered max }



4K Ultra HD IP NVR System with 8 Outdoor 4K 8MP IP Cameras, 200ft Night Vision
4KHDIP88NB
NEW
Reg. $2,099.99 BF: $1,099.99
1x NVR: NR9082 - 8 channel, 8 PoE ports, 4K, + Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
w/2 TB HDD
8x Bullet Camera: LNB8921BW - bullet, IP66, 2.8mm, FOV H:112.5° V:65° D: 125°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps
Comparison w/ordering similar components from Chinese vendors:
NVR $420 + 8x $150 + 2TB HDD ( est $60 ) = $1680
ID spec distance and associated area max covered calculations ( 100ppf+ ):
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8921BW Bullet Camera 3840(H)×2160 (V) 2.8 lens FOV H:112.5°: 19.57 feet { 375.8 sq feet covered max }


4K Ultra HD IP NVR System with 4 Outdoor 4K 8MP IP Cameras, 250FT Night Vision
4KHDIP822NV
NEW
Reg. $1,999.99 BF: $899.99
1x NVR: NR9082 8 channel, 8 PoE ports, 4K, + Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
w/2TB HDD installed.
2x Bullet Camera: LNB8973B - bullet, IP67, varifocal 2.8-12mm (4x optical zoom), FOV H:102°~39°; V:55°~22° D:125°~42°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB
2x Turret Camera: LNE8950AB - Turret / Eyeball ( Lorex is calling this a dome, but that's not really proper ), IP67, 2.8mm, FOV: H:113°; V:65° D:125°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB,
Comparison w/ordering similar components from Chinese vendors:
NVR $420 + 2x $230 + 2x $150 + HDD = $1280 + 2TB HDD ( est $60 ) = $1340
ID spec distance and associated area max covered calculations ( 100ppf+ ):
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8973 Bullet Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HFW5830E-Z Bullet Camera 4K 3840(H)×2160 (V) varifocal 2.8-12mm lens FOV H:102°~39°: 21.58~56.44 feet { 414.4~1083.59 sq feet covered max }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNE8950AB "Dome" / Turret Camera 3840(H)×2160 (V) 2.8 lens FOV H:112.5°: 19.57 feet { 375.8 sq feet covered max }


Junction boxes:
Recommended for installation Dahua OEM PFA121 for the 4K bullets, you can find this on Aliexpress, US based merchants, as well as a version on the Lorex website:
Outdoor Junction Box for Select Lorex Security Cameras
S1JF2G $24.99 ( The BLACK25 coupon code should get you 25% off )
https://www.lorextechnology.com/site/S1JF2G-1-p

There's another junction box for cameras which have 3 screws in the base, check this may work for the 2K cameras, maybe some others
S1JF3G $24.99
https://www.lorextechnology.com/a...S1JF3G-1-p


Ref:
Lorex is charging crazy amounts for the cameras by themselves:
1x Varifocal 8MP Turret: $499.99
https://www.lorextechnology.com/4...8974BW-1-p
1x Varifocal 8MP Bullet: $469.99
https://www.lorextechnology.com/4...8973BW-1-p
4x Varifocal 8MP turret: $1599.99
https://www.lorextechnology.com/4...BW-4PK-1-p
4x Varifocal 8MP Bullets: $1569.99
https://www.lorextechnology.com/4...BW-4PK-1-p

Lorex FLIR 16 port PoE switch: $319.99
https://www.lorextechnology.com/p...PS262B-1-p

Dahua 8MP fixed lens Bullet Camera N84BB14 - $414 on 11/21/2017 at B&H
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/pr...amera.html

Dahua 8MP fixed lens turret camera N84BG44 - $414 on 11/21/2017 at B&H
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/pr...amera.html

Dahua OEM models compared to
8MP Varifocal Turret IPC-HDW5830R-Z - $230 == LNE8974BW
8MP Fixed Lens Turret IPC-HDW4830EM-AS - $150-160 == LNB8921BW
8MP Varifocal Bullet IPC-HFW5830E-Z 2,7mm-12mm - $250 == LNB8973B
8MP Fixed Len Bullet $150 == LNB8921BW

NVR:
NVR w/face plate 8 Channel w/8 PoE ports est $420
NVR w/face plate 16 Channel w/16 PoE ports est $440
NVR w/face plate 32 Channel w/16 PoE ports est $460


ID spec distance and associated area max covered calculations ( 100ppf+ ):

This is the theoretical max based on raw pixels from the horizontal resolution and the horizontal FOV. Calculations based on data provided in ads / spec sheets. Some vendors like to play games and list diagonal FOV instead of horizontal FOV as that number is bigger and not clarify that it is diagonal FOV.
Actual real world results will be decreased due to the quality of the camera ( glass vs plastic lens, compression quality, sw/firmware,... ), installation view, as well as environmental conditions ( low light, haze, fog, glare off snow, water rain,.. ).


Practical meaning: Place your cameras in such a manner that any suspect / subject you wish to potentially ID is within this ID spec distance, as well as in a placement which will give you a high likelihood of obtaining a good facial image ( mount camera 8 feet or less high ).

compare to:
Ring Video Doorbell 720p at 160 degrees: 4.08 feet { 23.23 sq feet covered }
Logitech Logi Circle HD Wireless Security Camera 720p at 135 degrees: 5.44 feet { 34.85 sq feet covered }
Arlo Pro / Arlo Go 720p at 130 degress: 5.644 feet { 36.12 sq feet covered }
Logitech Circle 2 (V-R0008) 1080p at 180 degrees: 6.11 feet { 58.6 sq feet covered }
ezviz Mini Trooper 720p wire free cam at 116° : 6.33 feet { 40.54 sq feet covered }
Foscam C1 720p at 115 degrees: 6.38 feet { 40 sq feet covered }
YI Home Camera 720p at 111 degrees: 6.61 feet { 42.3 sq feet covered }
Arlo 720p at 110 degrees: 6.67 feet { 42.68 sq feet covered }
Blink XT - 720p ( 1080p version is planned ) at 110 degrees: 6.67 feet { 42.68 sq feet covered }
Ring Video Doorbell 2 / Pro / Elite 1080p at 160 degrees: 6.88 feet { 66.06 sq feet covered }
Ring Spotlight Cam wired / battery / solar 1080p at 140 degrees: 7.86 feet { 75.44 sq feet covered }
Ring Floodlight Cam 1080p at 140 degrees: 7.86 feet { 75.44 sq feet covered }
D-Link DCS-933L 640x480 at 45.3: 8.0988 feet { 25.92 sq feet covered }
ezviz CV-200 Mini Plus 1080p 135° : 8.15 feet { 78.21 sq feet covered }
Arlo Q / Arlo Q plus 1080p at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Arlo Pro 2 1080p at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Nest Cam Outdoor / Indoor 1080p at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Samsung SmartCam SNH-V6431BN / V6414BN 1080p at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Xiaomi MIJIA Smart 1080P IP Camera at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Amcrest IPM-721S 720p IP camera at 85 deg H FOV as per chat w/Amcrest: 8.63 feet { 55.2 sq feet covered }
Zmodo "spoe is not compatible with poe" bullet cam 2.8mm 720p at 81 degrees: 9.06 feet {57.99 sq feet covered }
Ring Stick Up 720p at 80 degrees: 9.17 feet { 58.67 sq feet covered }
Canary Flex 1080p at 116 degrees: 9.488 feet { 91.08 sq feet covered }
YI Dome Camera 1080p HD 112°: 9.82 feet { 94.396 sq feet covered }
Foscam R2 1080p at 110 degrees: 10.00 feet { 95.94 sq feet covered }
Reolink Argus 1080p at 130 110°: 8.47 10.00 feet { 81.34 95.94 sq feet covered }
Amcrest ProHD 1080p IP2M-841 / IP2M-841B at 90 degrees: 12.23 feet { 117.41 sq feet covered }
Annke AU-I61DR0104#US1 Cube Camera 4mm 1080p at 85°: 12.95 feet { 124.33 sq feet covered }
Swann PRO-T852 BNC connectors 1080p 80°: 13.76 feet { 132.12 sq feet covered }

LaView 2MP dome camera (LV-PD50208) 2.8mm lens 1080p 98 degrees: 11.23 { 107.8 sq feet covered }
LaView 2MP bullet camera ( from kit LV-KNT91F84E2 ) 4mm lens 1080p at 83.6 degree: 13.16 feet { 126.28 sq feet covered }
LaView 2MP bullet camera (LV-PB932F4) 1080p 79 degree: 13.9 feet { 133.13 sq feet covered }
LaView 4MP dome camera (LV-PD5040) 2.8mm lens 2688x1520 98 degrees: 15.72 { 211.23 sq feet covered }
LaView 4MP Dome (LV-PD504028) 2688x1520 90 Degrees: 17.12 feet { 230.08 sq feet covered }
LaView 4MP bullet camera (LV-PB3040W) 2688 x 1520 79 Degree:19.5 feet { 262.0 sq feet covered }
LaView 4MP bullet camera (LV-PB3040W) 4mm lens 2688x1520 70 Degrees: 22.01 feet { 295.78 sq feet covered }

Qsee 3MP IP Bullet Camera (QTN8037B) 2048x1536 65°-70° ( using 70 degrees ): 16.77 feet { 171.7 sq feet covered }
Qsee 3MP IP WiFi Dome Camera (QCW3MP1D) 3.6mm 2304 x 1536 81°assume H FOV: 16.30 feet { 187.70 sq feet covered } ( using 2304 x 1536 on data sheet, Costco page shows 2048x1536 )
Qsee 4MP IP Bullet Cameras (QCN8026B) 3.6mm lens 2560 x 1440 84° : 17.47 feet { 223.61 sq feet covered }

Amcrest 4MP IP Bullet Camera (IP4M-1025E) 3.6mm lens 2688(H)x1520(V) 83°: 18.34 feet { 246.44 sq feet covered }

Hikvision DS-2CD2332-I 3MP EXIR Turret IP Cam 2048 x 1536 w/4mm lens 75.8° : 15.49 feet { 158.64 sq feet covered }

Dahua IPC-HDW4231EM-AS starlight fixed lens 1080p 1920x1080
w/2.8mm lens FOV H 110 degrees: 10 feet { area covered 95.94 sq feet covered }
w/3.6mm lens FOV H 87 degrees: 12.65 feet { 121.43 sq feet covered }
w/6mm lens FOV H 51 degrees: 21.58 feet { 207.16 sq feet covered }

Lorex 2MP / 1080p camera at 90 degrees: 12.23 feet { 117.4 sq feet covered }
Lorex 3MP camera at 75 degrees: 15.65 feet { 160.22 sq feet covered }
Lorex 2K / 4MP cameras at 83 degrees: 18.56 feet { 249.38 sq feet covered }
Lorex 2k / 4MP cameras 2688×1520 at 101 degrees ( like the bullet LKB343B or dome LKE343 in a lorex kit from costco online ): 17.12 feet { 258.2 sq feet covered }

Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8921BW Bullet Camera 3840(H)×2160 (V) 2.8 lens FOV H:112.5°: 19.57 feet { 375.8 sq feet covered max }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNE8950AB "Dome" / Turret Camera 3840(H)×2160 (V) 2.8 lens FOV H:112.5°: 19.57 feet { 375.8 sq feet covered max }

Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8005 / LNB8111B Bullet Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HFW4830E-S 4K camera 4mm lens 88 degrees: 25.0 feet { 479.7 sq feet covered max }

Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8973 Bullet Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HFW5830E-Z Bullet Camera 4K 3840(H)×2160 (V) varifocal 2.8-12mm lens FOV H:102°~39°: 21.58~56.44 feet { 414.4~1083.59 sq feet covered max }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNE8974 "Dome" / Turret Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HDW5830R-Z Turret Camera 4K 3840(H)×2160 (V) varifocal 2.8-12mm lens FOV H:102°~39°: 21.58~56.44 feet { 414.3~1083.59 sq feet covered max }




----------------------------- working notes -------------------------------
Kit: 4KHDIP822NV
NR9082 - 8 channel, 8 PoE ports, 4K, + Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
LNB8973B - bullet, IP67, varifocal 2.8-12mm (4x optical zoom), FOV H:102°~39°; V:55°~22° D:125°~42°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB
LNE8950AB - Turret / Eyeball ( Lorex is calling this a dome, but that's not really proper ), IP67, 2.8mm, FOV: H:113°; V:65° D:125°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB,

Kit: 4KHDIP1644NV
NR9163 - 16 channel, 16 PoE ports, 4K, + Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
LNB8973B
LNE8974BW - Turret / Eyeball ( Lorex is calling this a dome, but that's not really proper ), IP67, varifocal, 2.8-12mm ( 4x optical zoom ), FOV: H:102°~39°; V:55°~22° D:125°~42°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB,

Kit: 4KHDIP88NB
NR9082 - 8 channel, 8 PoE ports, 4K, + Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
LNB8921BW - bullet, IP66, 2.8mm, FOV H:112.5° V:65° D: 125°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps

LNB8111B - bullet, IP66, FOV H 88°, 8MP/4K (3840x2160) @ 15fps

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Last Edited by mat2000 November 21, 2017 at 07:09 PM
Please see the Lorex 4K kit $800 deal wiki for lots of information on PoE security camera kits and installing a wired PoE system.

https://slickdeals.net/f/10409612-lorex-dahua-oem-6x-4k-8mp-security-camera-system-w-8-port-poe-ip-nvr-2tb-hdd-kit-at-costco-b-m-ymmv-for-799-99

Note Lorex / FLIR appears to have switched off the IVS ( as Dahua calls them, Q-see labels as IVA ) options in the Lorex branded line, and is using motion detection options instead

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Hi Jojan1, Thanks, Happy to help.

quick summary.

The Q-see NVR in that kit is a beefer NVR than in the $800 lorex 4k kit from Costco.

It appears that Q-see NVR is about the same class as the LorexTechnology.com 4K NVR. They will both be louder than the $800 lorex nvr. You will not want them in the same room you sleep in.

Q-see does not disable the more advanced features ( Dahua calls them IVS, Q-see IVA ), while Lorex does and instead focus on "motion detection".

Costco's return policy is superior to anything LorexTechnology.com is providing.

With either kit you can buy additional cameras from Chinese vendors ( recommending joining ipcamtalk and saying Hi asking who is recommended. )

Either Q-see's kit from Costco or LorexTechology.com BF-cyber week deals are very nice.

I believe the LorexTechology.com deals will vanish at the end of this week, and then not many good deals until again next year. ( based on watching SD for the last 1/2 year for deals on kits )

Right now 4K varifocal cameras are rather pricey to get, thus the LorexTechology.com kits which have them are very nice options.

Neither Q-see nor LorexTechnology seem to have the really nice low light starlights available ( 2MP cameras ), thus many of us went to Chinese vendors to pick those up.

On the varifocal - they are designed for you to adjust the focus and FOV during your installation of the camera, and thus the motor should not be used that frequently ( unlike that of a PTZ ). So the life span should be as long as a non-verifocal camera. ( older camera models had manual adjustments, which meant any changes required a ladder )

Yes I really do like that $1600 kit with 8x varifocal cameras - and I would add additional cameras to that, however instead of 4K cameras I would add some starlight cameras to cover areas which are dark around the house / property. ( you probably would have to test it a bit to see which views require better low light cameras )

IF you want more 4K cameras - it maybe worth looking at the kits which have a mix of varifocal bullets and fixed lens turrets.

So, what to pick... you'll need to decide
1) How important IVS / IVA features are to you, ( its actually really nice to have ) - Q-see has this
2) How important is the Costco return policy
vs.
3) Varifocal 4K cameras and Turret style cameras. - LorexTechnology has this

I know it is not always a clear choice.

Remember you can always paint the cameras, so do not worry about that.




Hi Mike116,

You're very welcome, happy to help. Let us know how you like it when you get a chance to testing.

Also, feel free to pop into ipcamtalk and get some feed back on tuning of cameras or placement.
Mat2000, thanks again for the quick response - greatly appreciated.

One last question - I'm assuming the 4K Lorex turret cameras available directly from Lorex are ONVIF compliant (current standard for these types of cameras?) does that mean the 4K Lorex cameras can be used with the Qsee NVR's?
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Mat2000, thanks again for the quick response - greatly appreciated.

One last question - I'm assuming the 4K Lorex turret cameras available directly from Lorex are ONVIF compliant (current standard for these types of cameras?) does that mean the 4K Lorex cameras can be used with the Qsee NVR's?
HI Jojan1,

Lorex and Q-see both are Dahua OEM so it will be even better than ONVIF spec.

Also all the 4K cameras that I have seen carried by Lorex and Q-see look like solid ONVIF spec cameras.
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HI Jojan1,

Lorex and Q-see both are Dahua OEM so it will be even better than ONVIF spec.

Also all the 4K cameras that I have seen carried by Lorex and Q-see look like solid ONVIF spec cameras.
Mat2000, ok thanks, hope it will be plug and play to use the Lorex cameras on the Qsee NVR.
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Mat2000, ok thanks, hope it will be plug and play to use the Lorex cameras on the Qsee NVR.
Hi Jojan1,

Let us know if it is simple plug and play or if you need to change username/password and port settings. ( which I would expect there's a good chance of that )
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Let us know if it is simple plug and play or if you need to change username/password and port settings. ( which I would expect there's a good chance of that )
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UPDATE 11/30/2017 Thanks to Koby007: regarding Lorex Technology Cyber Week deals.
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Great, thank you.
Just finished chatting with Lorex:

1. Cyberweek sale ends at 11:59pm, Sunday night, 12/3, Eastern Time.
2. If you purchased from Lorex (not sure if purchased elsewhere), you are NOT required to return the cables if they are installed already. (OP note * )
3. No restocking fee, but you pay for shipping back on returns withing 60 days.
4. Lorex will cover shipping both ways within 60 days for replacement if any of the items are defective.

...
( * - I do still prefer using bulk cable, as that means I can drill smaller holes and it makes it easier for me to pull cables through conduit - of course a lot depends on your home / building and the cable runs, those with nice accessible attics in 1 story building have the easier job of this. Also when I get to pick the cable I can ensure I am getting a good solid cable - probably not as much of an issue in the pricier kits. )
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FYI - recommended, nice product works with cat5e or cat6 cables, you will need a punch down tool.

Cat6 Punch Down Keystone Jack - White $0.59
Monoprice has their Cat6 jacks for .59 + shipping. They are over $1 on Amazon and higher everywhere else. I needed 100 jacks for an install and the shipping was only $7.

This is a steal compared to Home Depot and other stores! Its only really worth it if you need over a dozen because of the shipping

https://slickdeals.net/f/10961895-cat6-punch-down-keystone-jack-white-0-59
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[Hi Mat,

Thanks for your guidance. I purchased the 8 camera kit from Lorex and now looking for the specific models of the starlight cameras. Moreover, I would like to put additional 6 cameras inside of my house. I will appreciate if you could recommend some of the best cameras with bi-directional voice and night vision compatible with Lorex NVR. Prompt response will be highly appreciated.

Thanks

Mike

QUOTE=mat2000;108566615]Hi Jojan1, Thanks, Happy to help.
quick summary.

The Q-see NVR in that kit is a beefer NVR than in the $800 lorex 4k kit from Costco.

It appears that Q-see NVR is about the same class as the LorexTechnology.com 4K NVR. They will both be louder than the $800 lorex nvr. You will not want them in the same room you sleep in.

Q-see does not disable the more advanced features ( Dahua calls them IVS, Q-see IVA ), while Lorex does and instead focus on "motion detection".

Costco's return policy is superior to anything LorexTechnology.com is providing.

With either kit you can buy additional cameras from Chinese vendors ( recommending joining ipcamtalk and saying Hi asking who is recommended. )

Either Q-see's kit from Costco or LorexTechology.com BF-cyber week deals are very nice.

I believe the LorexTechology.com deals will vanish at the end of this week, and then not many good deals until again next year. ( based on watching SD for the last 1/2 year for deals on kits )

Right now 4K varifocal cameras are rather pricey to get, thus the LorexTechology.com kits which have them are very nice options.

Neither Q-see nor LorexTechnology seem to have the really nice low light starlights available ( 2MP cameras ), thus many of us went to Chinese vendors to pick those up.

On the varifocal - they are designed for you to adjust the focus and FOV during your installation of the camera, and thus the motor should not be used that frequently ( unlike that of a PTZ ). So the life span should be as long as a non-verifocal camera. ( older camera models had manual adjustments, which meant any changes required a ladder )

Yes I really do like that $1600 kit with 8x varifocal cameras - and I would add additional cameras to that, however instead of 4K cameras I would add some starlight cameras to cover areas which are dark around the house / property. ( you probably would have to test it a bit to see which views require better low light cameras )

IF you want more 4K cameras - it maybe worth looking at the kits which have a mix of varifocal bullets and fixed lens turrets.

So, what to pick... you'll need to decide
1) How important IVS / IVA features are to you, ( its actually really nice to have ) - Q-see has this
2) How important is the Costco return policy
vs.
3) Varifocal 4K cameras and Turret style cameras. - LorexTechnology has this

I know it is not always a clear choice.

Remember you can always paint the cameras, so do not worry about that.




Hi Mike116,

You're very welcome, happy to help. Let us know how you like it when you get a chance to testing.

Also, feel free to pop into ipcamtalk and get some feed back on tuning of cameras or placement.[/QUOTE]
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Bang for buck, would it be worth it to purchase the analog coax bundle and run cat5e cabling with baluns (future proof for PoE):

4MP Super HD 8 Channel Security System with 8 Super HD 4MP Cameras
2KMPX88, NEW
Reg. $929.99 BF: $499.99

Over the PoE version:

2K IP Security Camera System with 8 Channel NVR and 8 HD Outdoor 3MP Cameras
LN1080-88 NEW
Reg. $1,029.99 BF: $569.99

Or

8 channel home security system with 2K resolution IP cameras, 130ft color night vision
2KHDIP844D NEW
Reg. $1,529.99 BF: $799.99

The 2k 4mp PoE bundle is a little more than I'd like to spend, however if the quality is worth the extra $, I may snag it, but I'm not looking for top of the line quality, I think I would be satisfied with the lite nvr 3mb mid range system. Any thoughts?
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Bang for buck, would it be worth it to purchase the analog coax bundle and run cat5e cabling with baluns (future proof for PoE):

4MP Super HD 8 Channel Security System with 8 Super HD 4MP Cameras
2KMPX88, NEW
Reg. $929.99 BF: $499.99

Over the PoE version:

2K IP Security Camera System with 8 Channel NVR and 8 HD Outdoor 3MP Cameras
LN1080-88 NEW
Reg. $1,029.99 BF: $569.99

Or

8 channel home security system with 2K resolution IP cameras, 130ft color night vision
2KHDIP844D NEW
Reg. $1,529.99 BF: $799.99

The 2k 4mp PoE bundle is a little more than I'd like to spend, however if the quality is worth the extra $, I may snag it, but I'm not looking for top of the line quality, I think I would be satisfied with the lite nvr 3mb mid range system. Any thoughts?
Hi Gxnatal,

It really depends on what you want your security cameras to do.

All of these systems will provide for the minimal requirements in a security camera.

Security Camera System Minimal Viable Product requirements:
1) It must be Reliable.
2) It must be able to capture good enough images to potentially ID suspects.
3) It must be useful for evidence. [ thus date and time stamps are critical ]


Now then the question is optimization of #2.

This is where the ID distance list becomes important. How far away to you need to potentially ID a suspect?

If you have available PoE ports or Coax ports you can augment either the coax kit or PoE kit with more cameras - so it is possible to get a couple of better cameras to cover the front of you house or other areas which you feel there is a greater threat. This works fine if you are budget constrained.

Either way try to get the best NVR/DVR you can out of the <4K kits, so that you can add a couple of better cameras to it if you like. IIRC the PoE NVRs in the "2K" kits could handle 4K cameras - that would be nice ( do double check if you plan to go that way ).
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I placed an order 11/26 from Lorex and it's still pending. Are they known to be this slow?
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I placed an order 11/26 from Lorex and it's still pending. Are they known to be this slow?
Hi Joako420,

Amazon has indeed been spoiling us.. and yes, they do appear slow, I am still waiting also ..
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Hi Gxnatal,

It really depends on what you want your security cameras to do.

All of these systems will provide for the minimal requirements in a security camera.

Security Camera System Minimal Viable Product requirements:
1) It must be Reliable.
2) It must be able to capture good enough images to potentially ID suspects.
3) It must be useful for evidence. [ thus date and time stamps are critical ]


Now then the question is optimization of #2.

This is where the ID distance list becomes important. How far away to you need to potentially ID a suspect?

If you have available PoE ports or Coax ports you can augment either the coax kit or PoE kit with more cameras - so it is possible to get a couple of better cameras to cover the front of you house or other areas which you feel there is a greater threat. This works fine if you are budget constrained.

Either way try to get the best NVR/DVR you can out of the <4K kits, so that you can add a couple of better cameras to it if you like. IIRC the PoE NVRs in the "2K" kits could handle 4K cameras - that would be nice ( do double check if you plan to go that way ).
The 2k 3mp cameras should be good enough to start, would it be beneficial to spend the extra money and get this kit:

https://www.lorextechnology.com/hd-ip-security-camera-system/high-definition-security-surveillance-system-with-8-cameras/LN10802-168W-1-p

Since it has a 16ch NVR? After the coupon it comes out to $675, compared to this bundle:

https://www.lorextechnology.com/hd-nvr-ip-cameras/hd-security-camera-system-with-2k-recorder-weatherproof-cameras/LN1080-88W-1-p

I really like the domes too for indoor use, seems less... Intrusive? However, they should work well outdoors too, correct? I'm going to be mounting these on soffits of my one story ranch. I plan on purchasing the bulk cat5e cabling and routing all the wiring through the attic.

Thanks for all the guidance!
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I went with the $1,599 kit with vari-focal 4K cameras. I'm very happy with these and would like to get two more of the cameras. Does anybody want to go in on a kit for the cameras at $200/each? Or possibly less if we could have a buyer for the NVR.

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The 2k 3mp cameras should be good enough to start, would it be beneficial to spend the extra money and get this kit:

https://www.lorextechnology.com/h...2-168W-1-p

Since it has a 16ch NVR? After the coupon it comes out to $675, compared to this bundle:

https://www.lorextechnology.com/h...80-88W-1-p

I really like the domes too for indoor use, seems less... Intrusive? However, they should work well outdoors too, correct? I'm going to be mounting these on soffits of my one story ranch. I plan on purchasing the bulk cat5e cabling and routing all the wiring through the attic.

Thanks for all the guidance!
HI Gxnatal.

Given the choice between those 2, definitely go for the 16 channel NVR - it can hold 2 HDDs, so it will be very easy to add more capacity now with another HDD, and give you a better NVR in case you need more cameras.

Those Domes will also work outside. Maybe a good option by the front door.
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