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Lorex Black Friday 4K 16 port IP POE NVR Security Camera System w/ 8 Outdoor 4K 8MP IP POE varifocal Cameras $1599.99

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This was my favorite deal from the
Lorex Black Friday security camera systems deals 2017, Sale Ends November 24 listing
https://slickdeals.net/f/10869215-lorex-black-friday-security-camera-systems-deals-2017-sale-ends-november-24

This is why I really like this kit:
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8973 Bullet Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HFW5830E-Z Bullet Camera 4K 3840(H)×2160 (V) varifocal 2.8-12mm lens FOV H:102°~39°: 21.58~56.44 feet { 414.4~1083.59 sq feet covered max }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNE8974 "Dome" / Turret Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HDW5830R-Z Turret Camera 4K 3840(H)×2160 (V) varifocal 2.8-12mm lens FOV H:102°~39°: 21.58~56.44 feet { 414.3~1083.59 sq feet covered max }


It is the most affordable kit which all the cameras are varifocal and thus able to zoom out 4x and have an ID distance further out to beyond 50 feet!
Also with varifocal cameras you can adjust the focus to maximize the effective use of your pixels and really focus the cameras on the view you need.

I tried to see if I could beat this deal by purchasing the parts from Chinese vendors, and I was completely unable to do so.
Thus it is a very good deal, details on numbers below.

Free shipping. 60 day returns.

The thing that really sets this security/surveillance camera system out is that all the cameras are varifocal, and there are enough ports to add 8 more cameras. ( total 16 )

This means you can optimize your FOVs so that you have more effective pixel coverage.

Normally most kits come with more affordable fixed lens cameras which may not have enough distance to cover to the end of your driveway, let alone out to the street.

Some great information from Dumbcanuck ( thanks! )
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Spoke to a sales guy at Lorex that was really helpful...

According to him the prices will go up after this promo, slightly higher after black friday and a larger jump after that

There is a certain top cash back site that gives 8 percent from lorex Peace
NEW = New Product.

4K Ultra HD IP NVR System with 8 Outdoor 4K 8MP IP Cameras, 250FT Night Vision
4KHDIP1644NV NEW

Reg. $3,149.99 BF:$1,599.99

1x NVR: NR9163 - 16 channel, 16 PoE ports, 4K, + Alarm in/out, up to 2 HDDs
w/ 3TB HDD
4x Bullet Camera: LNB8973B - bullet, IP67, varifocal 2.8-12mm (4x optical zoom), FOV H:102°~39°; V:55°~22° D:125°~42°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB
4x Turret Camera: LNE8974BW - Turret / Eyeball ( Lorex is calling this a dome, but that's not really proper ), IP67, varifocal, 2.8-12mm ( 4x optical zoom ), FOV: H:102°~39°; V:55°~22° D:125°~42°, 3840(H)x2160 (V), 4k (8MP) @ 15fps, microSD slot upto 128GB
note: On page Lorex notes: "4K NVR can support up to 8 cameras" even though it has 16 channels. Looks like a mistake as this NVR is bundled w/a 22 camera kit, thus should have enough power for 16 cameras.
Comparison w/ordering similar components from Chinese vendors:
NVR $440 + 4x $250 + 4x $230 + 3TB HDD = $2360 + 3TB HDD
OP Notes: Recommend this system as I really like the varifocal cameras included in the kit which. Normally kits only include fixed focal lens cameras.

Ref:
Lorex is charging crazy amounts for the cameras by themselves:
1x Varifocal 8MP Turret: $499.99
https://www.lorextechnology.com/4...8974BW-1-p
1x Varifocal 8MP Bullet: $469.99
https://www.lorextechnology.com/4...8973BW-1-p
4x Varifocal 8MP turret: $1599.99
https://www.lorextechnology.com/4...BW-4PK-1-p
4x Varifocal 8MP Bullets: $1569.99
https://www.lorextechnology.com/4...BW-4PK-1-p

Dahua 8MP fixed lens Bullet Camera N84BB14 - $414 on 11/21/2017 at B&H
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/pr...amera.html

Dahua 8MP fixed lens turret camera N84BG44 - $414 on 11/21/2017 at B&H
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/pr...amera.html


Dahua OEM models compared to
8MP Varifocal Turret IPC-HDW5830R-Z - $230 == LNE8974BW
8MP Fixed Lens Turret IPC-HDW4830EM-AS - $150-160 == LNB8921BW
8MP Varifocal Bullet IPC-HFW5830E-Z 2,7mm-12mm - $250 == LNB8973B
8MP Fixed Len Bullet $150 == LNB8921BW

NVR:
NVR w/face plate 8 Channel w/8 PoE ports est $420
NVR w/face plate 16 Channel w/16 PoE ports est $440
NVR w/face plate 32 Channel w/16 PoE ports est $460


Junction Boxes for this kit:
Dahua OEM PFA121 or Lorex S1JF2G for Bullet Camera
Dahua OEM PFA137 or Wall Mount PFB203W for Turret

S1JF2G ( remember BLACK25 BF discount code may get you 25% off )
https://www.lorextechnology.com/site/S1JF2G-1-p



https://www.lorextechnology.com/4...1644NV-1-p

---- ID distance list for the most update list please see the lorex 4k $800 deal link ----

ID spec distance and associated area max covered calculations ( 100ppf+ ):
Lorex LNB8005 4K camera 4mm lens 88 degrees: 25.0 feet [ this is actually very good for a camera with this wide angle lens, note the range will be reduced in low light conditions. ]

This is the theoretical max based on raw pixels from the horizontal resolution and the horizontal FOV. Calculations based on data provided in ads / spec sheets. Some vendors like to play games and list diagonal FOV instead of horizontal FOV as that number is bigger and not clarify that it is diagonal FOV.
Actual real world results will be decreased due to the quality of the camera ( glass vs plastic lens, compression quality, sw/firmware,... ), installation view, as well as environmental conditions ( low light, haze, fog, glare off snow, water rain,.. ).


Practical meaning: Place your cameras in such a manner that any suspect / subject you wish to potentially ID is within this ID spec distance, as well as in a placement which will give you a high likelihood of obtaining a good facial image ( mount camera 8 feet or less high ).

compare to:
Ring Video Doorbell 720p at 160 degrees: 4.08 feet { 23.23 sq feet covered }
Logitech Logi Circle HD Wireless Security Camera 720p at 135 degrees: 5.44 feet { 34.85 sq feet covered }
Arlo Pro / Arlo Go 720p at 130 degress: 5.644 feet { 36.12 sq feet covered }
Logitech Circle 2 (V-R0008) 1080p at 180 degrees: 6.11 feet { 58.6 sq feet covered }
ezviz Mini Trooper 720p wire free cam at 116° : 6.33 feet { 40.54 sq feet covered }
Foscam C1 720p at 115 degrees: 6.38 feet { 40 sq feet covered }
YI Home Camera 720p at 111 degrees: 6.61 feet { 42.3 sq feet covered }
Arlo 720p at 110 degrees: 6.67 feet { 42.68 sq feet covered }
Blink XT - 720p ( 1080p version is planned ) at 110 degrees: 6.67 feet { 42.68 sq feet covered }
Ring Video Doorbell 2 / Pro / Elite 1080p at 160 degrees: 6.88 feet { 66.06 sq feet covered }
Ring Spotlight Cam wired / battery / solar 1080p at 140 degrees: 7.86 feet { 75.44 sq feet covered }
Ring Floodlight Cam 1080p at 140 degrees: 7.86 feet { 75.44 sq feet covered }
D-Link DCS-933L 640x480 at 45.3: 8.0988 feet { 25.92 sq feet covered }
ezviz CV-200 Mini Plus 1080p 135° : 8.15 feet { 78.21 sq feet covered }
Arlo Q / Arlo Q plus 1080p at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Arlo Pro 2 1080p at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Nest Cam Outdoor / Indoor 1080p at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Samsung SmartCam SNH-V6431BN / V6414BN 1080p at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Xiaomi MIJIA Smart 1080P IP Camera at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Amcrest IPM-721S 720p IP camera at 85 deg H FOV as per chat w/Amcrest: 8.63 feet { 55.2 sq feet covered }
Zmodo "spoe is not compatible with poe" bullet cam 2.8mm 720p at 81 degrees: 9.06 feet {57.99 sq feet covered }
Ring Stick Up 720p at 80 degrees: 9.17 feet { 58.67 sq feet covered }
Canary Flex 1080p at 116 degrees: 9.488 feet { 91.08 sq feet covered }
YI Dome Camera 1080p HD 112°: 9.82 feet { 94.396 sq feet covered }
Foscam R2 1080p at 110 degrees: 10.00 feet { 95.94 sq feet covered }
Reolink Argus 1080p at 130 110°: 8.47 10.00 feet { 81.34 95.94 sq feet covered }
Amcrest ProHD 1080p IP2M-841 / IP2M-841B at 90 degrees: 12.23 feet { 117.41 sq feet covered }
Annke AU-I61DR0104#US1 Cube Camera 4mm 1080p at 85°: 12.95 feet { 124.33 sq feet covered }
Swann PRO-T852 BNC connectors 1080p 80°: 13.76 feet { 132.12 sq feet covered }

LaView 2MP dome camera (LV-PD50208) 2.8mm lens 1080p 98 degrees: 11.23 { 107.8 sq feet covered }
LaView 2MP bullet camera ( from kit LV-KNT91F84E2 ) 4mm lens 1080p at 83.6 degree: 13.16 feet { 126.28 sq feet covered }
LaView 2MP bullet camera (LV-PB932F4) 1080p 79 degree: 13.9 feet { 133.13 sq feet covered }
LaView 4MP dome camera (LV-PD5040) 2.8mm lens 2688x1520 98 degrees: 15.72 { 211.23 sq feet covered }
LaView 4MP Dome (LV-PD504028) 2688x1520 90 Degrees: 17.12 feet { 230.08 sq feet covered }
LaView 4MP bullet camera (LV-PB3040W) 2688 x 1520 79 Degree:19.5 feet { 262.0 sq feet covered }
LaView 4MP bullet camera (LV-PB3040W) 4mm lens 2688x1520 70 Degrees: 22.01 feet { 295.78 sq feet covered }

Qsee 3MP IP Bullet Camera (QTN8037B) 2048x1536 65°-70° ( using 70 degrees ): 16.77 feet { 171.7 sq feet covered }
Qsee 3MP IP WiFi Dome Camera (QCW3MP1D) 3.6mm 2304 x 1536 81°assume H FOV: 16.30 feet { 187.70 sq feet covered } ( using 2304 x 1536 on data sheet, Costco page shows 2048x1536 )
Qsee 4MP IP Bullet Cameras (QCN8026B) 3.6mm lens 2560 x 1440 84° : 17.47 feet { 223.61 sq feet covered }

Amcrest 4MP IP Bullet Camera (IP4M-1025E) 3.6mm lens 2688(H)x1520(V) 83°: 18.34 feet { 246.44 sq feet covered }

Hikvision DS-2CD2332-I 3MP EXIR Turret IP Cam 2048 x 1536 w/4mm lens 75.8° : 15.49 feet { 158.64 sq feet covered }

Dahua IPC-HDW4231EM-AS starlight fixed lens 1080p 1920x1080
w/2.8mm lens FOV H 110 degrees: 10 feet { area covered 95.94 sq feet covered }
w/3.6mm lens FOV H 87 degrees: 12.65 feet { 121.43 sq feet covered }
w/6mm lens FOV H 51 degrees: 21.58 feet { 207.16 sq feet covered }

Lorex 2MP / 1080p camera at 90 degrees: 12.23 feet { 117.4 sq feet covered }
Lorex 3MP camera at 75 degrees: 15.65 feet { 160.22 sq feet covered }
Lorex 2K / 4MP cameras at 83 degrees: 18.56 feet { 249.38 sq feet covered }
Lorex 2k / 4MP cameras 2688×1520 at 101 degrees ( like the bullet LKB343B or dome LKE343 in a lorex kit from costco online ): 17.12 feet { 258.2 sq feet covered }

Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8005 / LNB8111B Bullet Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HFW4830E-S 4K camera 4mm lens 88 degrees: 25.0 feet { 479.7 sq feet covered max }

Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8973 Bullet Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HFW5830E-Z Bullet Camera 4K 3840(H)×2160 (V) varifocal 2.8-12mm lens FOV H:102°~39°: 21.58~56.44 feet { 414.4~1083.59 sq feet covered max }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNE8974 "Dome" / Turret Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HDW5830R-Z Turret Camera 4K 3840(H)×2160 (V) varifocal 2.8-12mm lens FOV H:102°~39°: 21.58~56.44 feet { 414.3~1083.59 sq feet covered max }
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Last Edited by mat2000 November 30, 2017 at 11:01 AM
Yes I know this is a significant investment compared to the $200-500 coax analog systems, or even some of the lower resolution PoE systems.

This is a great deal for home owners who really need to get the optimal FOV and optimal pixel usage.

UPDATE thanks to Koby007:
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Great, thank you.
Just finished chatting with Lorex:

1. Cyberweek sale ends at 11:59pm, Sunday night, 12/3, Eastern Time.
2. If you purchased from Lorex (not sure if purchased elsewhere), you are NOT required to return the cables if they are installed already.
3. No restocking fee, but you pay for shipping back on returns withing 60 days.
4. Lorex will cover shipping both ways within 60 days for replacement if any of the items are defective.

Looks like I'll be taking the plunge on this system. 8 varifocal 4K cameras may be overkill for what I need, but I like the option of adding additional cameras and repurposing the varifocal cameras to monitor vehicles coming into and out of my neighborhood later.

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FYI - Master List of Black Friday Security Camera deals:
https://slickdeals.net/f/10731663-security-camera-security-camera-system-black-friday-2017-master-list

UPDATE: 11/23/2017

Do you need or want quality low light cameras to go with one of these Dahua OEM PoE systems?


If so, I recommend the following Aliexpress store: Empire
This is due to the out standing reputation and service a gentleman by the name of Andy who works / runs the store has done with the members of ipcamtalk.com.
You can check that site out to check his reputation if you like. ( his handle is EmpireTecAndy - he also posts his email address there )

If he has stock he will ship DHL right away, so no crazy long 4-6 week wait. He has also reduced his prices for Black Friday.

Note - as it is challenging to ship from / to China, you can't easily return these like you can from US vendors so you have to be certain you want to buy these.
Trust me, the cameras listed below are quality international models with metal cases. (*)

Recommended for the Front door - place camera at 5-6 feet high. Nice solid case.
Dahua Starlight mini-dome wedge IPC-HDBW4231F-AS - also can record audio where legally allowed. Get 2.8mm lens if right in front of subjects, otherwise 3.6mm. Also has microSD slot.
http://urlhasbeenblocked/2A6eoP0

Dahua Starlight turret HDW4231EM-AS - a nice fixed lens camera - get 3.6mm lens ( 87°) or 6mm ( better zoom, 51° ). Can record audio also. Also has microSD slot.
http://urlhasbeenblocked/2mXKERh

Dahua Starlight varifocal turret IPC-HDW5231R-Z - killer low light camera with 4x optical zoom. Can record audio also. Also has microSD slot.
http://urlhasbeenblocked/2hXwcaj

Dahua Starlight varifocal bullet IPC-HFW5231E-Z - kill low light camera with 4x optical zoom. Same bullet style as in the 4K Lorex and Costco 4k Q-see kits.
http://urlhasbeenblocked/2jjvKjo

These cameras do not come with power adapters - so you will need a PoE switch, NVR with PoE, or a PoE power injector.

( * Be careful and avoid Chinese market cameras which are hard to update the firmware, and typically lower build quality with more plastic - if you try to update the hacked/patched with English language Chinese market cameras they will revert to P2P and Chinese language.. a real pita )
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Thanks Mat2000. I was comparing many of the deals side by side and this one looked like the best for what I needed. I've learned a lot from your posts while searching for a system for my home.
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Thanks Mat2000. I was comparing many of the deals side by side and this one looked like the best for what I needed. I've learned a lot from your posts while searching for a system for my home.
Thanks DragonflyWarrior,

This is certainly my favorite deal, I really like ID distances I can get with this one.

Remember to look at the Junction boxes - they really help.
( I'll double check I have that info posted here )
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Thanks DragonflyWarrior,

This is certainly my favorite deal, I really like ID distances I can get with this one.

Remember to look at the Junction boxes - they really help.
( I'll double check I have that info posted here )
Are the Lorex ones better than a normal one?
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Are the Lorex ones better than a normal one?
Hi DragonflyWarrior,

Junction boxes:
Same product. I went to aliexpress to get mine. With the 25% off I would probably pick up the PFA121 type junction boxes from Lorex - they're really nice boxes which when properly installed should keep the connections well protected from the weather.
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Hi DragonflyWarrior,

Junction boxes:
Same product. I went to aliexpress to get mine. With the 25% off I would probably pick up the PFA121 type junction boxes from Lorex - they're really nice boxes which when properly installed should keep the connections well protected from the weather.
Thanks a lot.
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How difficult would you say it is to install 1 of these?

Have anyone have experience hiring a professional to do the install (not just a handyman, someone who understands how to position the cameras/etc) and you bring your own equipment? This seems like it'd require lots of crawling in attics and putting holes in exterior walls I don't feel comfortable about
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How difficult would you say it is to install 1 of these?

Have anyone have experience hiring a professional to do the install (not just a handyman, someone who understands how to position the cameras/etc) and you bring your own equipment? This seems like it'd require lots of crawling in attics and putting holes in exterior walls I don't feel comfortable about
Hi Jay,

Can be a easy DIY job to a bit of a pita job - depends on your home construction.

Easiest is a one story home with accessible attic.

Please see the notes in the wiki of 4k lorex deal from costco to help get an idea of how to install DIY.

And, yes you can definitely hire a contractor to help - I have notes there for that also.
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If I really don't need a 16 port system and 8 of these cameras is there any deal that has around 4 of these same cameras with a decent nvr that isn't $1600?
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If I really don't need a 16 port system and 8 of these cameras is there any deal that has around 4 of these same cameras with a decent nvr that isn't $1600?
Try this one. It has 4 4K cameras and 8 channel NVR. It's $900.
4KHDIP822NV [lorextechnology.com]
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Are there any details on the max capacities of the NVR? I know that typically they can't handle max ports at high resolution/FPS. Would 12 at 15fps 4k cause issues?
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Are there any details on the max capacities of the NVR? I know that typically they can't handle max ports at high resolution/FPS. Would 12 at 15fps 4k cause issues?
Hi Vaggeto,

It looks like this is the nearly the same NVR as sold in the 22x 4K camera kit, so it should work very well.

Also it holds 2 HDDs.

iirc each 4K camera at 15fps H.264 maxes about 10Mbps
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From watching the product video I understand Varifocus is a pre-configured focal length.
Are there any auto-focus 4K systems?
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