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this NAS would be excellent to grow into. for the price this cannot be beat currently. $550 for 6 bay is excellent, it's less $ than the Synology 5 bay deal and you get an extra drive bay, plus the specs are far superior. the best per bay deal recently though was the Synology DS1817+ for $679. that's over though

and yes it can handle plex. however it CANNOT handle plex 1080p transcoding and honestly likely couldn't have 720pm transcoding well either b/c the processor is weak (it's the same processor i have in my chromebook) and still has to run the thing in addition to handling your plex requests.

transcoding = taking a video in it's original format, and changing it to the format required on your end device. if you have an iPad, that end format will be mp4. so if you have a MKV video on the NAS it will need to be transcoding to mp4 video format to be viewed on the iPad. this has to be done on the fly for instant viewing, which requires a processor to have a passmark score of 2000 for 1080p. you can google "what processor do i need for plex" and you will see on plex's website it lists various types of processor requirements depending on the functionality you wish to achieve.

you could get away with this with plex but pre-transcoding all of your videos into the format most likely used by you. there is a program called Handbrake. you can transcode every video in your library to mp4. now this NAS will be able to handle all of your plex needs. for some this is doable, for others with TB of movies....not so much.
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The most important thing to understand is that RAID is not a backup. If you accidentally delete or overwrite a file (or malware encrypts it) on a RAID array, its duplicate or parity are also deleted or overwritten. You lose the file just as if you had a single drive. In other words, even if you have RAID, you still need to be making backups.

The purpose of RAID is redundancy. The ability to continue to operate even if a disk fails. If you're running a business which will lose $1000 in sales every day your file server is down and inaccessible, you want that file server to be running RAID.

RAID 5 gives you n-1 disks worth of storage with single failure redundancy. That is, if you use 3 disks, you get the storage space of 2 disks (67% efficiency), but the array will survive the failure of one drive. If you use 4 disks, you get the storage space of 3 disks (75% efficiency). 6 disks gets you the storage space of 5 disks (83% efficiency). So while you can do it with 3 disks, having more disks is preferable.
RAID 6 gives you n-2 disks worth of storage with double failure redundancy (up to two drives can fail).
RAID 1 gives you n/2 disks worth of storage space. Redundancy can be anywhere from 1 failure to half the disks failing. It just depends which disks the failures hit since it's just duplicating the contents of each disk to a second disk. If an original and duplicate both fail, you'll lose what's on those disks.
RAID 10 (or 1+0) is just RAID 1 with the files striped across multiple disks to try to get you a little more speed. Truth be told though, any SSD will completely blow RAID out of the water for speed. The problem is the rotating platters on HDDs (typically 5400 or 7200 RPM) limits their random read/write speeds to about 1 MB/s. SSD random read/write speeds are up around 30-70 MB/s. The only way to increase that on HDDs is by increasing RPM, which is only physically possible up to about 20,000 RPM before the platter material starts wanting to fly apart. So that'll only get you an improvement to about 2.5 MB/s.

RAID 6 or 10 is preferred with the newer multi-TB arrays because if a drive fails on RAID 5, you replace the dead disk and rebuild the array. If during the rebuild another drive fails, you lose everything. Unfortunately, most RAID software is very trigger-happy with the definition of "fail" so even a single read error can result in a second disk being marked as failed and the system dumping the entire array. Then you're left with a painful reconstruction process. Though if you keep regular backups of your RAID array, you can "risk it" and run RAID 5. If a rebuild fails, you can replace the second failed drive, recreate the array, and restore from the backup.

Personally I switched to ZFS (available in FreeNAS) to avoid this extreme sensitivity to failures during a rebuild. ZFS treats failures on a file-by-file basis. So if there's a read failure during a rebuild, only that one file is marked as unrecoverable. It continues to try to rebuild the rest of the array. It also supports snapshots, which you can kinda use as a backup. Won't save you from a disk failure (you're still reliant on redundancy for that). But it'll let you recover a previous version of a file if it's accidentally deleted or overwritten. You still want a backup though (off-site) in case the house burns down.

But ZFS has a very steep learning curve. Also, it was made by Sun, who got bought by Oracle, so I don't think any future updates to it are forthcoming. BTRFS (beta feature on Synology NASes) has many of the features of ZFS, but from what I can tell it's not as robust and its development is still considered to be in the beta or even alpha stage.

tl;dr - The vast majority of home users don't need RAID. About the only cases where you might are if you run a home business, or your kids will murder you if your home media library goes down.
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https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu....40+1.60GHz

Passmark score about 1600. Won't be able to handle heavy cpu tasks Plex transcoding. Still a great NAS option though just for simple file storage
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great price. less than the Synology 5 bay deal, and here you get superior hardware and a 6th bay.

i have the 8 bay version of this and it's awesome
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Got 1 - been looking for one for a long long time - thx
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wonder what will occur first

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Passmark score about 1600. Won't be able to handle heavy cpu tasks Plex transcoding. Still a great NAS option though just for simple file storage
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FYI - it says this can be upgraded up to 8GB of memory, but it will recognize up to 16GB of memory. i bought 2x8GB of Crucial DDR3/DDR3L 1600 MT/S (PC3-12800) . Newegg's cyber monday deals are live i think, check for any memory deals. it doesn't have to be Crucial, i've also used Kingston memory in my QNAP NAS boxes with success

avoid the off-brand labels though, QNAP NAS boxes are known to be finnicky but using Crucial and Kingston has been verified on their forums
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I need an NAS for my two 8TB WD easystores from BB BlackFriday deal. Is this a good one to grow into for future 8TB storage purposes? Mainly wanting for backup and Plex, etc... If you reply with technical jargon, please do your best to explain to a primary HTPC user.
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I need an NAS for my two 8TB WD easystores from BB BlackFriday deal. Is this a good one to grow into for future 8TB storage purposes? Mainly wanting for backup and Plex, etc... If you reply with technical jargon, please do your best to explain to a primary HTPC user.
this NAS would be excellent to grow into. for the price this cannot be beat currently. $550 for 6 bay is excellent, it's less $ than the Synology 5 bay deal and you get an extra drive bay, plus the specs are far superior. the best per bay deal recently though was the Synology DS1817+ for $679. that's over though

and yes it can handle plex. however it CANNOT handle plex 1080p transcoding and honestly likely couldn't have 720pm transcoding well either b/c the processor is weak (it's the same processor i have in my chromebook) and still has to run the thing in addition to handling your plex requests.

transcoding = taking a video in it's original format, and changing it to the format required on your end device. if you have an iPad, that end format will be mp4. so if you have a MKV video on the NAS it will need to be transcoding to mp4 video format to be viewed on the iPad. this has to be done on the fly for instant viewing, which requires a processor to have a passmark score of 2000 for 1080p. you can google "what processor do i need for plex" and you will see on plex's website it lists various types of processor requirements depending on the functionality you wish to achieve.

you could get away with this with plex but pre-transcoding all of your videos into the format most likely used by you. there is a program called Handbrake. you can transcode every video in your library to mp4. now this NAS will be able to handle all of your plex needs. for some this is doable, for others with TB of movies....not so much.
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this NAS would be excellent to grow into. for the price this cannot be beat currently. $550 for 6 bay is excellent, it's less $ than the Synology 5 bay deal and you get an extra drive bay, plus the specs are far superior. the best per bay deal recently though was the Synology DS1817+ for $679. that's over though

and yes it can handle plex. however it CANNOT handle plex 1080p transcoding and honestly likely couldn't have 720pm transcoding well either b/c the processor is weak (it's the same processor i have in my chromebook) and still has to run the thing in addition to handling your plex requests.

transcoding = taking a video in it's original format, and changing it to the format required on your end device. if you have an iPad, that end format will be mp4. so if you have a MKV video on the NAS it will need to be transcoding to mp4 video format to be viewed on the iPad. this has to be done on the fly for instant viewing, which requires a processor to have a passmark score of 2000 for 1080p. you can google "what processor do i need for plex" and you will see on plex's website it lists various types of processor requirements depending on the functionality you wish to achieve.

you could get away with this with plex but pre-transcoding all of your videos into the format most likely used by you. there is a program called Handbrake. you can transcode every video in your library to mp4. now this NAS will be able to handle all of your plex needs. for some this is doable, for others with TB of movies....not so much.
Thanks for your simple explanation. Now I've been reading about Raid. Any suggestions. I read it might be smart to buy another 8 TB red drive (3x8TB) and using raid 5. They said you can't switch Raid later??? Any advice in layman's terms is helpful. If I do buy another 8TB, can I buy 3 more later?
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great price. less than the Synology 5 bay deal, and here you get superior hardware and a 6th bay.

i have the 8 bay version of this and it's awesome

Medic, which one do you have? TS-853A? Its around $850 right now. I have 6 WD 8TB Reds, this fits my needs right now, primarily, surveillance, PLEX and backup. What do you advise?

Thanks!
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In July I got the newer 653B (open box) from NE for $719, $170 more than this deal for an older 653A model...

$170 more for the 653B gets you:
  • PCIe for adding a 10GbE network / SSD cache card
  • 4K hardware decoding; transcodes 4K H.264 on-the-fly
  • Newer 10W Intel J3455 CPU w/Passcode >2000
  • USB-C QuickAccess = backup w/out working Network...
I then added (6) 8TB WD RED drives in RAID10 from $170 BB Easystore deal. IMO w/drives this large RAID10 is the only way so 6 bays vs. 4 is good... (RAID 5/6 takes SO LONG to rebuild w/such large drives, so issues often arise before rebuild is completed...) IMO I would rather have waited on buying (1) $170 8TB drive to get 653B vs. 653A & then add the last drive(s) when actually needed...

QNAP is GREAT about software updates but I haven't had time to check out all it can do. Currently it backups all home & work PCs, phones, large video files from work, and allows us access to backup/view all of our pictures/videos from anywhere...
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Medic, which one do you have? TS-853A? Its around $850 right now. I have 6 WD 8TB Reds, this fits my needs right now, primarily, surveillance, PLEX and backup. What do you advise?

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yeah the TS-853A is what i have. it almost never goes on sale. in fact, i can't even remember when it did. i got a good deal on mine bc of an order Newegg screwed up and they gave me an eGift code and then i used a 10% off coupon code i had. but those discounts came off the regular full price.

from a price perspective, the cost per bay of the TS-653A is the way to go if you don't see yourself expanding any time soon. 6x8TB is a huge amount of storage for someone starting out, so i think you will be good to go provided your media library isn't all bluray rips lol

in a RAID6 configuration you will get ~ 30TB of usable storage with 2 disk redundancy
RAID5 will be ~38TB with 1 disk redundancy. sparing the whole URE discussion and putting that side, whatever RAID you go with, make sure you have local mirrored backups. AND/OR, you have everything backed up to the cloud. Crash Plan Small Business is $10/mo and they have an app that will run on the NAS unlike Back Blaze. unlimited encrypted cloud backup storage. i still recommend at a very minimum some sort of local mirror for the critical stuff. it can literally be as simple as plugging in an external to one of the back USB ports and backing it up to that. media you can always restore over time via Crash Plan and it's not an emergency, personal files could be critical ie like during tax season or something
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Why did qnap think it was a cool idea to integrate a Karaoke machine into these things... Serious business class hardware + Karaoke connections in the back, lol.
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In July I got the newer 653B (open box) from NE for $719, $170 more than this deal for an older 653A model...

$170 more for the 653B gets you:
  • PCIe for adding a 10GbE network / SSD cache card
  • 4K hardware decoding; transcodes 4K H.264 on-the-fly
  • Newer 10W Intel J3455 CPU w/Passcode >2000
  • USB-C QuickAccess = backup w/out working Network...
I then added (6) 8TB WD RED drives in RAID10 from $170 BB Easystore deal. IMO w/drives this large RAID10 is the only way so 6 bays vs. 4 is good... (RAID 5/6 takes SO LONG to rebuild w/such large drives, so issues often arise before rebuild is completed...) IMO I would rather have waited on buying (1) $170 8TB drive to get 653B vs. 653A & then add the last drive(s) when actually needed...

Hey thanks for the info on the 653B. Question on your RAID10 setup. How did you configure your Storage Pools / Volumes in a RAID10? do you have a pool called "Multimedia" or something and it has access to multiple RAID10 clusters? i'm thinking of switching to RAID10 as well since i agree with you, with disks this large RAID10 is the safest and best performing setup
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