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https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony...Id=5748206

Rtings review
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850e

VA ~ darker blacks, less angle viewage
IPS ~ gray blacks, more angle

VA's typically have a better response time and lower input lag as well as better motion, so this would be a better option for gamers. No it's no OLED, but you won't have to worry about image retention or burn in.

I shot rtings a quick email about the flicker on this panel. A friend shot the TV with a high speed shutter cam and found the rolling lines ~ flicker, but rtings did say it's not caused by PWM. If you look @ the graph on the rtings review, you can see slight dips, but never touching the bottom, so it looks to me as if the panel's not doing the all in PWM "on/off" nastiness that can cause eye fatigue and headaches...think iPhone X or galaxy phones as well as most samsung and Vizio tv's.

I have been testing this for a little while now and I thought at first the eye fatigue from the TV was just increased brightness over the 55x810c or the extra 10 inches...after all 10 inches is a lot to take in. laugh out loud After hearing about the rolling lines captured on cam, I started testing a flicker free monitor as my TV. As I had the monitor closer to my eyes, i had to dial down brightness and contrast. But then I thought to myself, "self, maybe you've got the x850e's contrast or brightness too high?"

So I hooked the TV back up and turned the brightness (backlight) to 0, contrast to 65, and had a much easier time. After getting the rtings email and looking at the graph, i don't think the flicker's as bad as a striaight PWM flicker. If any of you have ever used an older lightboost monitor on a flicker free panel (think benq), there's a flicker, but it doesn't hurt the eye like a crt @ 60 or a pwm panel @ 120~240hz.

Ok, so how does this set perform? The contrast is close to 5000:1 and even @ these low contrast ratios, I can still make out FAR more detail that ANY IPS I've ever used. Colors pop more and they look very accurate. Backlight bleeding and clouding is present, but can really only be distracting when looking @ a fully black screen @ full brightness...so it's a non issue.

Games play and look great in game mode. I have no complaints whatsoever. Forza looks fantastic.

Planet Earth II does display HDR quite well IMO, despite what rtings says.

The speakers are balls and so is the Android TV. Well, ATV's slow and janky, but you do have the ability to use the Archos video player that WILL pass through DTS or Dolby Digital from a local network drive without issue.

Overall, I paid $1460 for mine, but @ $1200, it's a bargain IMO. You're looking @ another $1000 to grab the OLED from LG in this size.
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Love this television, wish I had bought it at this price
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Really considering the 75" version. Are the blacks really that much worse? Anyone compare the 65" vs 75"? I really don't want to spend $800 more for the x900e.
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Love this television, wish I had bought it at this price
But hey, we've had the TV for awhile longer, right‽‽‽

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Really considering the 75" version. Are the blacks really that much worse? Anyone compare the 65" vs 75"? I really don't want to spend $800 more for the x900e.
It's really going to depend on you. If you can find a store that has these sets in a dark, room, that would be ideal. I went to Best Buy the other day and of course, all tv's are in store demo torch mode in bright light, so you can't compare them.

That said, you're looking @ a drop from 4500:1 to about 1200:1. In a dark room, it's going to very noticeably when watching movies. A 75" would be nice, but I just don't think it's worth the hit in black detail or having to suffer with gray blacks.

As for the 900E, it does flicker ala PWM @ ~700hz, so that may be an issue.

IMO, go with this. $1200 for a damn fine TV and you can rub it all over the faces of myself and Homer. hug
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But hey, we've had the TV for awhile longer, right‽‽‽


It's really going to depend on you. If you can find a store that has these sets in a dark, room, that would be ideal. I went to Best Buy the other day and of course, all tv's are in store demo torch mode in bright light, so you can't compare them.

That said, you're looking @ a drop from 4500:1 to about 1200:1. In a dark room, it's going to very noticeably when watching movies. A 75" would be nice, but I just don't think it's worth the hit in black detail or having to suffer with gray blacks.

As for the 900E, it does flicker ala PWM @ ~700hz, so that may be an issue.

IMO, go with this. $1200 for a damn fine TV and you can rub it all over the faces of myself and Homer. hug
I have a 70" Vizio M series now, and my Xfinity cable looks pretty bad when upscaled to 4K. That's why I was looking at Sony, but I don't want to drop in size either. A 75" would be perfect. What do you think of the Samsung 75MU8000?
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But hey, we've had the TV for awhile longer, right‽‽‽


It's really going to depend on you. If you can find a store that has these sets in a dark, room, that would be ideal. I went to Best Buy the other day and of course, all tv's are in store demo torch mode in bright light, so you can't compare them.

That said, you're looking @ a drop from 4500:1 to about 1200:1. In a dark room, it's going to very noticeably when watching movies. A 75" would be nice, but I just don't think it's worth the hit in black detail or having to suffer with gray blacks.

As for the 900E, it does flicker ala PWM @ ~700hz, so that may be an issue.

IMO, go with this. $1200 for a damn fine TV and you can rub it all over the faces of myself and Homer. hug
I got the 850 75" for $1200 from amazon price mistake, everyone telling me the oled lg 65" from shopmyexchabge tomorrow at $1999 is worth the extra $800 and 10" screen loss, what your thought
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I have a 70" Vizio M series now, and my Xfinity cable looks pretty bad when upscaled to 4K. That's why I was looking at Sony, but I don't want to drop in size either. A 75" would be perfect. What do you think of the Samsung 75MU8000?
The Sony does a wonderful job with upscaling content, no issues there and no judder with any boxes.

According to rtings, the Samsung has a lower color gamut (less variety in colors or richness) and more than 2x the brightness loss @ an angle. PWM flicker's 120hz. I've owned a samsung u6200 and it destroyed my eyes, heavy migraine after an hour that lasted until the next morning...tho this an issue most do not have a problem with.

Definitely up to you whether the size dif is worth it.

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I got the 850 75" for $1200 from amazon price mistake, everyone telling me the oled lg 65" from shopmyexchabge tomorrow at $1999 is worth the extra $800 and 10" screen loss, what your thought
Nice deal! How do you like the detail in dark scenes in a dark room.

So about size. After moving from the 55 to a 65, I thought...wow...too big...I was looking all over the screen, unable to process anything. After a week, I thought, hmmm...not so bad. Another week goes by and I think, how did I ever live my life with a peasant 55‽‽‽ After another week, I thought...hmmm, a 75 would be nice. Big Grin So it might be tough to move down @ first, but I think over a month or two, you'd be ok with it. Also consider moving it to the front of the tv stand and even pushing the stand closer.

Even in a bright room, the LG OLED will impress. IPS vs OLED would be game changing. I would absolutely go with the OLED. I think as long as you're careful with static screens, you'll be ok. As long as you get a warranty on the OLED you're good. Definitely go see the OLED @ a store. It's just unbelievable and a major step up.

I'm actually considering chatting with Sony about some issues I'm having and requesting a refund from my contact. But I'm going to wait awhile and see how it goes. I think by the time I make my decision, the new 2018 OLEDS will out...cheaper and better.

Good luck! (Get the OLED).
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been at this price at amazon and walmart since black friday. i waited and now ebats @ wallmart only has 2% cashback down from 6... kinda kicking myself
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been at this price at amazon and walmart since black friday. i waited and now ebats @ wallmart only has 2% cashback down from 6... kinda kicking myself
**frugal dot com? Use dell?
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Can get the 65" x900e lower than this price if you PM to websites.
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Couple days ago 75" was for $1,200 at Amazon, this is a warm deal.
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Couple days ago 75" was for $1,200 at Amazon, this is a warm deal.
75 is IPS. 1000:1 vs 4500:1 contrast.

I have a monitor that's 1000:1 and it's disgusting to watch movies on. I don't care how big, IPS is not suitable for a TV IMO.
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Can get the 65" x900e lower than this price if you PM to websites.
What site are you price matching, and which credit card? I assume you are using price protection through Citi or Discover.
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You guys think this will go lower before the super bowl?
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What site are you price matching, and which credit card? I assume you are using price protection through Citi or Discover.
Citi and SeriesFlex
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