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Planning to look into getting into this most likely towards end of 2018 when prices have dropped a bit more and there are more options for gaming.

I have a PS4 (not pro) and will probably be getting a new PC in the next year or so.

My PC is in a corner of a room with limited space to move around (blocked off so little kids don't mess with it)

PS4 is in the more open living room.

From what I understand some of the PC VR headsets your meant to actually move around and have sensors track your movement? If so that wouldn't be practical for me (and I really don't care about that)

Is any of the VR designed to be played just sitting with a more immersive experience?

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The "just sit and play" experience can be had with a smarthphone and vr goggles and a bluetooth controller with your phone. I use my galaxy s8 all the time and it's glorious. That said, you need to define the experience you want. If it's something you plan on doing while sitting only, then the PS4 one would be perfect, plus you don't need very much space and it's way less costly (especially with current deals). VR will get intense next year, especially as Microsoft and Apple debut their standalone sets (basically the smarthphone version where they beef up the graphics performance and battery so you aren't tethered, and use a bit more augmented reality than heavy 4k60fps graphic generation and processing.

For the PC version, you really need a spare room to truly njoy it unless you plan on playing chair commander (e.g. Elite dangerous or Star Citizen). If it's not a space fighter or flying sim then it isn't really worth getting the occulus rift or HTC Vive if you don't have space. You can also use VRCat (it's dope) and links to your PC just like a Vive. It's also free, sans the cord.
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The "just sit and play" experience can be had with a smarthphone and vr goggles and a bluetooth controller with your phone. I use my galaxy s8 all the time and it's glorious. That said, you need to define the experience you want. If it's something you plan on doing while sitting only, then the PS4 one would be perfect, plus you don't need very much space and it's way less costly (especially with current deals). VR will get intense next year, especially as Microsoft and Apple debut their standalone sets (basically the smarthphone version where they beef up the graphics performance and battery so you aren't tethered, and use a bit more augmented reality than heavy 4k60fps graphic generation and processing.

For the PC version, you really need a spare room to truly njoy it unless you plan on playing chair commander (e.g. Elite dangerous or Star Citizen). If it's not a space fighter or flying sim then it isn't really worth getting the occulus rift or HTC Vive if you don't have space. You can also use VRCat (it's dope) and links to your PC just like a Vive. It's also free, sans the cord.
Thats kinda what i'm thinking. I was wondering if the PC version is worth it just for the immersive experience without the movement. Either way i'm waiting because the competition is so fierce i'm expecting significant bundles/price drops next year as they battle it out.

I don't really consider smartphone to be really 3d. I have a cheap one like that i use with my kids that they enjoy and do some VR rollercoasters but its not "Real" VR. I'm looking into games like Skyrim, Fallout 4, etc.

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If you want sit down experience for HTC Vive or Oculus Rift, there's only a few. Mostly racing sims and smartphone ports. They are designed with movement in mind. I don't think there will be a major price drop, they're already talking about new versions coming out in 2019 that are going to be wireless maybe, which means more money. Go to a local best buy, most have an Oculus Rift demo set up so you can try.
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The "just sit and play" experience can be had with a smarthphone and vr goggles and a bluetooth controller with your phone. I use my galaxy s8 all the time and it's glorious.
What games do you play? What hardware did you pair with the S8? I have an S8 and I'd be interested in trying some of this stuff.
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If you want sit down experience for HTC Vive or Oculus Rift, there's only a few. Mostly racing sims and smartphone ports. They are designed with movement in mind. I don't think there will be a major price drop, they're already talking about new versions coming out in 2019 that are going to be wireless maybe, which means more money. Go to a local best buy, most have an Oculus Rift demo set up so you can try.
That's really good to know, sounds like the PSVR might be my best bet then.
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That's really good to know, sounds like the PSVR might be my best bet then.
Yes the PSVR is a forward facing experience. However, understand that this does cause some issues. For example in Skyrim it is a big open world meant for a normal controller, so when you can only face forward it gets hectic trying to fight multiple enemies. (I haven't played the game, only what I've heard in reviews).
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For those asking, I've been playing Skyrim, Alien Isolation, and Doom via RiftCat / VRCat and a 20 foot usbc cord going from my Dell Inspiron 7559 to my Galaxy s 8 and gear headset. I use a cheap bluetooth wireless keyboard with motion tracking (internal gyros) to send input signals to the computer directly so my motion tracking it still seamless. Also, it's dope because the computer does the rendering and my phone just displays. It's really great and only cost about $20 for the cord and remote. Google RiftCat and VRCat and you should see the amazing stuff they're coming out with. Also, Thrustmaster Hotas is a great $50 throttle/stick combo for any space/flight simulators, just be sure you bolt it to something. For all the DIYers, it's a no brainer to build yourself an actual "VR Chair". Especially with the hardmounted subwoofer in the lower back of the chair. Worth the elbow grease alone.
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Thats kinda what i'm thinking. I was wondering if the PC version is worth it just for the immersive experience without the movement. Either way i'm waiting because the competition is so fierce i'm expecting significant bundles/price drops next year as they battle it out.

I don't really consider smartphone to be really 3d. I have a cheap one like that i use with my kids that they enjoy and do some VR rollercoasters but its not "Real" VR. I'm looking into games like Skyrim, Fallout 4, etc.
Nobody here seems to have mentioned Microsoft's entry, which is dubbed "Mixed Reality."

In typical MS fashion the name is super fcuking dumb because it's just a VR headset. The main difference being the the sensors are in the headset itself (which you actually use to "map" the VR playspace) so there's no peripheral ones to mess with. It does require Windows 10 but you can run the whole thing just fine off a USB thumbdrive so not a dealbreaker...

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I've been playing Skyrim, Alien Isolation, and Doom via RiftCat / VRCat and a 20 foot usbc cord going from my Dell Inspiron 7559 to my Galaxy s 8 and gear headset. I use a cheap bluetooth wireless keyboard with motion tracking (internal gyros) to send input signals to the computer directly so my motion tracking it still seamless. Also, it's dope because the computer does the rendering and my phone just displays. It's really great and only cost about $20 for the cord and remote. Google RiftCat and VRCat VRidge and you should see the amazing stuff they're coming out with promotional material.
Interesting information...
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What I've seen of the MS version seems interesting, at least, if limited in it's own ways.
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For those asking, I've been playing Skyrim, Alien Isolation, and Doom via RiftCat / VRCat and a 20 foot usbc cord going from my Dell Inspiron 7559 to my Galaxy s 8 and gear headset. I use a cheap bluetooth wireless keyboard with motion tracking (internal gyros) to send input signals to the computer directly so my motion tracking it still seamless. Also, it's dope because the computer does the rendering and my phone just displays. It's really great and only cost about $20 for the cord and remote. Google RiftCat and VRCat and you should see the amazing stuff they're coming out with. Also, Thrustmaster Hotas is a great $50 throttle/stick combo for any space/flight simulators, just be sure you bolt it to something. For all the DIYers, it's a no brainer to build yourself an actual "VR Chair". Especially with the hardmounted subwoofer in the lower back of the chair. Worth the elbow grease alone.
You should post here more. That's awesome.
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You should post here more. That's awesome.
Haha, thanks. I used to post a lot on a different account, but when I got into a very silly argument with someone, I decided I was going to remove the temptation and asked the mods for a permaban. I just used the site for the autonotifications, but i forgot that asking for the ban would permanently remove my autonofiications, so i started a new account a few months later with the idea of never "conversing". Lasted long haha. I've got a major tech background and career, so I'm just trying to help other people find the simplest and most cost effective solution. I pitch Dell products a lot because they are the most consistent (I find), but some people get really up in arms about the functionality of "mobile prcoessors". Anyway, yeah I just recently found out that you can actually Stream Play your ps4 on your PC and use a few programs like riftcat to use your Google cardbaord or GearVR as a Playstation headset, so that's pretty awesome.
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Nobody here seems to have mentioned Microsoft's entry, which is dubbed "Mixed Reality."

In typical MS fashion the name is super fcuking dumb because it's just a VR headset. The main difference being the the sensors are in the headset itself (which you actually use to "map" the VR playspace) so there's no peripheral ones to mess with. It does require Windows 10 but you can run the whole thing just fine off a USB thumbdrive so not a dealbreaker...


Interesting information...
Why did you cross out my quote? I was literally just posting my solution so someone else can replicate it. You call that "promotion"?
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Why did you cross out my quote? I was literally just posting my solution so someone else can replicate it. You call that "promotion"?
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