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VERA is offering its new, mid-range VeraPlus home automation hub for $99 for a limited time. That's cheaper than the entry-level VeraEdge, and about $13 less than the offering price on Amazon:

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Pretty good deal. Vera did a one-day Halloween sale and offered this for $88 and the VeraEdge for $59. However, I haven't seen them discount either those controllers since then until now, with Black Friday and Cyber Monday being focused on their VeraSecure model.

I'm thinking about getting this one, as I'm not confident the $88/59 price will be back anytime soon. Fracking Halloween lol
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I really want to go with Vera instead of Smartthings as I want a non-cloud control. However, is it true that (1) this is a much difficult system to set up and manage, and (2) has a lower number of compatible sensors/devices?

Are ST sensors compatible with Vera hub?
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I really want to go with Vera instead of Smartthings as I want a non-cloud control. However, is it true that (1) this is a much difficult system to set up and manage, and (2) has a lower number of compatible sensors/devices?

Are ST sensors compatible with Vera hub?
I think Vera is as easy as can be, and has the added benefit of the ability to tweak a lot under the hood. I'm not sure of the number of compatible devices of one vs the other, but when I had Vera there was no shortage of stuff to buy.
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I really want to go with Vera instead of Smartthings as I want a non-cloud control. However, is it true that (1) this is a much difficult system to set up and manage, and (2) has a lower number of compatible sensors/devices?

Are ST sensors compatible with Vera hub?
(1) No, it is not difficult to setup and UI7 makes it basically retard-proof. If you know how to use a wizard, then you can set something up.
(2) I would say the opposite. Since verapus supports both Zwave and zigbee, i would say Zwave is the largest group of devices and thus by default you have the most compatibility there plus add in zigbee and you have even more.

You should go for it and not get smartthings or these other crappy cloud dependent, dumbified solutions.

I had vera lite and recently (4 months ago) upgraded to vera plus
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I had vera lite and recently (4 months ago) upgraded to vera plus
Can you give some details on this migration process & your review overall on the "upgrade"? I'm considering the same move because of deals like this one but I'm hesitant because of the perceived effort to migrate plus the fact that my VeraLite handles all of my needs just fine. Perhaps the VeraPlus would give me better performance & some features I don't even know I'm missing? Anything to add to that subject as well?
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i've got the vera3 and it's a pain to constantly update since it keeps running out of memory. i typically have to back up, factory reset, upgrade, then restore. i'm tempted to upgrade, but with tax it's really only about $5 cheaper than amazon (which does come with prime shipping).

you're saving money, but not as much as the MSRP would suggest. i'd love to be able setup a deal alerts based on a price of $88 threshold. (ala camelx3).
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Can you give some details on this migration process & your review overall on the "upgrade"? I'm considering the same move because of deals like this one but I'm hesitant because of the perceived effort to migrate plus the fact that my VeraLite handles all of my needs just fine. Perhaps the VeraPlus would give me better performance & some features I don't even know I'm missing? Anything to add to that subject as well?
great question, one in which i had as well and caused me much hesitancy.

I would say this:
(1) If you dont have a lot of devices and your vera lite speed is sufficient, i wouldn't waste my time upgrading and buying a new unit. I did because I had 50+ devices and I could tell my vera lite was getting sluggish and sometimes failing to complete the mesh network sends/receives. I anticipated more devices over time and didn't want to see things beginning to fail. I also wanted to get on UI7 so i could have direct Amazon echo integration and move away from the HA-bridge raspberry pi intermediary I was using

(2) If you decide to go, directly from vera's awesome russian support people: you should rebuild your network from the ground up. They said if you migrate you are basically reusing the older mesh network logic and not gaining the benefits of the newer unit. In essence, why bother.

Yes, it is a huge PITA and I still have a few outdoor devices which I've not yet added back in because it requires powering the vera with an extension cord and putting it back on wifi to add the device and its now cold in east coast and im not standing outside for the devices i dont need until summer anyway.

So you really need to find 1-2 days where you have the time to rebuild.

Again, if you have <25 devices, i wouldnt bother
if you have >35 and anticipate more, eventually you need to bite the bullet

as far as improvements, the UI is improved and allows for better scene/automation as well as easier ways to put the LUUP code entry if you are into that.
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I would say this:

(2) If you decide to go, directly from vera's awesome russian support people: you should rebuild your network from the ground up. They said if you migrate you are basically reusing the older mesh network logic and not gaining the benefits of the newer unit. In essence, why bother.
Thank you for this. I have close to 50 devices (depending on whether each socket in a Z-wave smart power strip is its own device) and have been for the most part happy with my VERA lite. However, it feels on the cusp of overload (downstairs thermostat has gotten 'lost' and reconnected as a new device twice in the last 2 months), and sometimes it runs a tad sluggish, so figured it was worth it to get a device which could easily handle the current load and maybe accept a few more devices before I max out.

One thing- how is Alexa integration working out for you? The voice control feature in my VeraMate app is pretty good overall. Does Alexa have better intelligence- i.e. able to figure out which device action you want even when you don't remember the exact device name or use a different action term? Does it do anything except provide pretty good voice recognition?

Thanks.
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Thank you for this. I have close to 50 devices (depending on whether each socket in a Z-wave smart power strip is its own device) and have been for the most part happy with my VERA lite. However, it feels on the cusp of overload (downstairs thermostat has gotten 'lost' and reconnected as a new device twice in the last 2 months), and sometimes it runs a tad sluggish, so figured it was worth it to get a device which could easily handle the current load and maybe accept a few more devices before I max out.

One thing- how is Alexa integration working out for you? The voice control feature in my VeraMate app is pretty good overall. Does Alexa have better intelligence- i.e. able to figure out which device action you want even when you don't remember the exact device name or use a different action term? Does it do anything except provide pretty good voice recognition?

Thanks.
benefits of amazon echo are limited and in some cases actually worse than what i could do in my ha-bridge

for my ha-bridge, i could program a different scene/device for the ON and OFF switch - this meant i could have a scene called "start home theater movie" and "end home theater movie" ...but in my ha-bridge i labeled it "home theater movie" and put the ON to START and the OFF to END. So to amazon I would say "turn on home theater movie" and "turn off home theater movie"

however, with amazon echo and scenes you would have to say "turn on start home theater movie" and "turn on end home theater movie" because I am not aware of any ohter way to invoke the scenes (admittedly, i may not be 100% here)

the benefit is amazon echo lets you group things, so rather than doing scenes for some actions, you can simple group all the items in your amazon alexa app and then you can simple do a "turn on, turn off <group name" which works great - however amazon echo isn't going to let you add delays and dimming features like i do with more complex scenes for my home theater room lights.

as far as recognizing - i would say it expects you to basically say the name exactly

for example, i have "family room lights" and sometimes we say "turn on family room light" and it then pretends like it is farking retarded and doesn't know what device i want, even though no other device has the words "family room" even in it

anything else u want to know?
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Vera is great as far as you are using an echo to control everything. The apps are terrible.
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It is free shipping and no sales tax for CA by chance?
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I really want to go with Vera instead of Smartthings as I want a non-cloud control. However, is it true that (1) this is a much difficult system to set up and manage, and (2) has a lower number of compatible sensors/devices?

Are ST sensors compatible with Vera hub?
Totally the opposite. This is probably the most versatile controller that works with any leave device. It insteon. I've had mine for about 5 years. The Interface may be a little different than others. But that's because there are so many options and features. For example I can control and create scenes using my Yamaha receiver. I don't know any others that can do that
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benefits of amazon echo are limited and in some cases actually worse than what i could do in my ha-bridge

for my ha-bridge, i could program a different scene/device for the ON and OFF switch - this meant i could have a scene called "start home theater movie" and "end home theater movie" ...but in my ha-bridge i labeled it "home theater movie" and put the ON to START and the OFF to END. So to amazon I would say "turn on home theater movie" and "turn off home theater movie"

however, with amazon echo and scenes you would have to say "turn on start home theater movie" and "turn on end home theater movie" because I am not aware of any ohter way to invoke the scenes (admittedly, i may not be 100% here)

the benefit is amazon echo lets you group things, so rather than doing scenes for some actions, you can simple group all the items in your amazon alexa app and then you can simple do a "turn on, turn off <group name" which works great - however amazon echo isn't going to let you add delays and dimming features like i do with more complex scenes for my home theater room lights.

as far as recognizing - i would say it expects you to basically say the name exactly

for example, i have "family room lights" and sometimes we say "turn on family room light" and it then pretends like it is farking retarded and doesn't know what device i want, even though no other device has the words "family room" even in it

anything else u want to know?
If your echo pretending not to do your command: these are possibilities:
" your voice is not recognized. Alexa will playing dumb.
* connection to the cloud was failing in the middle. And alexa is doing none happened.
* echo has some issue might be sluggish in the os. Power on and off the only way. I found this situation on old firmware. It did not update automatucally , which i had to initiate firmware update manually.

You can see your call commands on alexa app.


Speaking on ha bridge. Sometimes it does not response as command since using udp and upnp for commands.
If failing , alexa mostly say bla bla not responding when time outor just keep quit when receiving bad udp response.

I moved from ha bridge to create my own alexa skill to control my home assistAnt through api.Very solid solution.

No more emulation such as ha bridge. Troubleshooting is not fun pn emulation😅.

Those are my experiences...
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If your echo pretending not to do your command: these are possibilities:
" your voice is not recognized. Alexa will playing dumb.
* connection to the cloud was failing in the middle. And alexa is doing none happened.
* echo has some issue might be sluggish in the os. Power on and off the only way. I found this situation on old firmware. It did not update automatucally , which i had to initiate firmware update manually.

You can see your call commands on alexa app.


Speaking on ha bridge. Sometimes it does not response as command since using udp and upnp for commands.
If failing , alexa mostly say bla bla not responding when time outor just keep quit when receiving bad udp response.

I moved from ha bridge to create my own alexa skill to control my home assistAnt through api.Very solid solution.

No more emulation such as ha bridge. Troubleshooting is not fun pn emulation😅.

Those are my experiences...
I think you meant to quote the other guy, but anyway
echo is not pretending do my command, its saying it doesn't know which of 2 devices to use when i dont add the "(s)" to the end of lights in one room.
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