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Picture hides the fact the tele lens is not stabilized (VR). Telephoto is where you'd want VR. Shorter faster (aperture) primes don't need the VR like slower tele's do for anything but tripod use.

They are both AF-P but the problem there is Nikon does not have all their lenses as AF-P yet and that means video has too much annoying noise with video auto focusing. A pricey (too pricey) external mic might help but didn't this model remove that plug-in? So you're left with manual focus pulling for good video. Just FYI. And it depends on if you plan to use this for video WITH AF. Video is otherwise great (1080) though. For many technical reasons.

Also AF-P lenses are not backward compatible (much) and have no auto focus; that is not "by wire". The manual ring does not do anything on many bodies and that is bad. No film camera for example. Nothing but the newest models in each DSLR tier with work with AF-P. Only if you intend to have the newest Nikon's only (for your lenses) would this make sense.

One can work around that mess; but you should know it and not pay more for it.

That said; accept for low powered flash and dropping some feature we like this model has the best value sensor and still cam performance. I mean if you can't get it done with this model then you can't get it done with any.

This is the frustration with todays cameras; where makers CAN combine (better what we need); but refuses to do it.

Also it's not just about the specs list and checking-off what you want in less bad combo. Some important metrics are not on their specs list. Get the cameras in your hands first; for just one example.

Mirror-less is not overall better yet. Not at any price and especially including the best value price. I don't care how many you bought or if it is "good enough" for you.

Nikon has dug them selves into a hole. Their only way out is completing mirror-less offerings. They are going to have to include a AF/AE adapter for legacy F-mount lens (best lens family) or financial trouble is soon coming. Nikon and all mirror-less camera are going to also have to finish the job and that means it's not done until the DSLR advantages are nullified. Only if you hardly ever shoot still should you consider mirror-less and then it's far over priced.

APS-C is the great balance of all things right now. That will not change for a great while. Even as all sensors improve. It's due to the physics of all things considered; that are mobile photographic.

My advice is if you don't have to buy a camera right now then don't. Wait for mirror-less to get over the DSLR quality hump. And at a value price.

If you need something to shoot with now (other than bad phone pics for a pocket cam/vid) then buy used for pennies on the dollar. Like garage sales. There are many modern things you can do without; in order to get a photographers camera/lens/flash for next to nothing. It also depends if you will never take certain types or situations. Like no video. Like manual focus only (which actually has it's pros and cons). You do not have to do manual exposure though; even though you should to learn sometimes. Beside learning theory the equipment starts with the lens (probably faster, lighter, best value 2 primes or two fixed lens cams). Then the sensor (You don' have to go film unless you just want to). That's where you should rate color sensitivity and HIGHLIGHT range the highest. Then there's all the practical things like carry size (or you won't) and battery life (trouble free). It never has to be the smallest; because you'll have a small pack anyway and the smallest cams are cumbersome to use. Arguably the cell phone is your pocket cam best value. Basically it's limiting to have 1 camera; but do you really need more than 2? In other-words; don't chase one cam to do it all. Toward that is the best you can get. Consider two (maybe 3; but watch out); that you can use for over 10 years. Don't enter the rat race.

By keeping the cost minuscule you'll not be afraid to actually get out and use it. Plus you won't cry when you drive you new cam, "off the lot", when you realize it's yesterdays news and you wasted far too much money chasing the latest tech.

The equipment does matter. But it does nothing without the photographer.

Enjoy the gear challenges or be soon parted from your cash. With regret and only different gear challenges.

I didn't say not to get this camera set; if you need one. It's toward the least bad. Just all FYI.
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Picture hides the fact the tele lens is not stabilized (VR). Telephoto is where you'd want VR. Shorter faster (aperture) primes don't need the VR like slower tele's do for anything but tripod use.

They are both AF-P but the problem there is Nikon does not have all their lenses as AF-P yet and that means video has too much annoying noise with video auto focusing. A pricey (too pricey) external mic might help but didn't this model remove that plug-in? So you're left with manual focus pulling for good video. Just FYI. And it depends on if you plan to use this for video WITH AF. Video is otherwise great (1080) though. For many technical reasons.

Also AF-P lenses are not backward compatible (much) and have no auto focus; that is not "by wire". The manual ring does not do anything on many bodies and that is bad. No film camera for example. Nothing but the newest models in each DSLR tier with work with AF-P. Only if you intend to have the newest Nikon's only (for your lenses) would this make sense.

One can work around that mess; but you should know it and not pay more for it.

That said; accept for low powered flash and dropping some feature we like this model has the best value sensor and still cam performance. I mean if you can't get it done with this model then you can't get it done with any.

This is the frustration with todays cameras; where makers CAN combine (better what we need); but refuses to do it.

Also it's not just about the specs list and checking-off what you want in less bad combo. Some important metrics are not on their specs list. Get the cameras in your hands first; for just one example.

Mirror-less is not overall better yet. Not at any price and especially including the best value price. I don't care how many you bought or if it is "good enough" for you.

Nikon has dug them selves into a hole. Their only way out is completing mirror-less offerings. They are going to have to include a AF/AE adapter for legacy F-mount lens (best lens family) or financial trouble is soon coming. Nikon and all mirror-less camera are going to also have to finish the job and that means it's not done until the DSLR advantages are nullified. Only if you hardly ever shoot still should you consider mirror-less and then it's far over priced.

APS-C is the great balance of all things right now. That will not change for a great while. Even as all sensors improve. It's due to the physics of all things considered; that are mobile photographic.

My advice is if you don't have to buy a camera right now then don't. Wait for mirror-less to get over the DSLR quality hump. And at a value price.

If you need something to shoot with now (other than bad phone pics for a pocket cam/vid) then buy used for pennies on the dollar. Like garage sales. There are many modern things you can do without; in order to get a photographers camera/lens/flash for next to nothing. It also depends if you will never take certain types or situations. Like no video. Like manual focus only (which actually has it's pros and cons). You do not have to do manual exposure though; even though you should to learn sometimes. Beside learning theory the equipment starts with the lens (probably faster, lighter, best value 2 primes or two fixed lens cams). Then the sensor (You don' have to go film unless you just want to). That's where you should rate color sensitivity and HIGHLIGHT range the highest. Then there's all the practical things like carry size (or you won't) and battery life (trouble free). It never has to be the smallest; because you'll have a small pack anyway and the smallest cams are cumbersome to use. Arguably the cell phone is your pocket cam best value. Basically it's limiting to have 1 camera; but do you really need more than 2? In other-words; don't chase one cam to do it all. Toward that is the best you can get. Consider two (maybe 3; but watch out); that you can use for over 10 years. Don't enter the rat race.

By keeping the cost minuscule you'll not be afraid to actually get out and use it. Plus you won't cry when you drive you new cam, "off the lot", when you realize it's yesterdays news and you wasted far too much money chasing the latest tech.

The equipment does matter. But it does nothing without the photographer.

Enjoy the gear challenges or be soon parted from your cash. With regret and only different gear challenges.

I didn't say not to get this camera set; if you need one. It's toward the least bad. Just all FYI.
Lots of opinion and short on some facts: yes, the 70-300 is not VR, but if you know what you are doing, you can still get a sharp image. Learn to brace and squeeze the shutter (not stab it). I have this lens and it's great. I shoot it at ISO 1600 on up and it's shape, even for fast movement.
These images below are shot at full tele length of 300mm. Another bit of info: if shooting off tripod at moon or long distance, most people turn VR OFF as it often interferes with tripod vibration. All are hand held at 300mm with the NON VR lens which is in the kit.
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