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Buy a Merkur and never look back.. I wish I knew about these earlier...save so much $ on razor blades and they work just as well.
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Worst safety razor my husband has used. There was so much blood from all the nicks, I'm surprised he didn't need a blood transfusion. Cheap POS razor. He has since learnt the lesson that you truly get what you pay for.
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Worst safety razor my husband has used. There was so much blood from all the nicks, I'm surprised he didn't need a blood transfusion. Cheap POS razor. He has since learnt the lesson that you truly get what you pay for.
Thanks. I got a bad one (different seller I think) that looked like this exact pictured butterfly design. I could tell it was flimsy, misaligned, cheap, did not seat well and downright dangerous. I took macro pictures of the physical flaws along the bar. I was pissed that I only got my money back after wasting time with it.

However, this and your bad experience does not always mean you get what you paid for. Stuff for DE shaving is inexpensive and I fear a bunch of other folks tried DE shaving with a broke holder and dull blades like these. My proof is I also bought a REMEI razor for $2 from china (30 days) and it's fabulous and mild (original Gillette Tech) clone. Now it's stamped mental and slight thin handle; but nicely done and shave wonderfully. I was told I got a good one. Some bad china sellers make crap copies. My good $2 one (shipped with nice Kai blade too) is perfect for starting (mild) and tames even a Feather blade very well. My best use for it is shaving the least of stubble (like twice daily shaves or the like) or speed shaving (best speed for what you get) for work. It's mainly my backup though. I use an aggressive "Mentor" head from IB and on my standard EJ's fine (short version) handle. Gillette 7 O'CLock (yellow box) blade. Three piece razors let you mix and match handles.

Anyway. Cutting ones self is only done by ones self and no razor ever does that. You may feel it does; but it can't. One simply checks blade alignment as they simply screw the thing in. All my razors automatically align the blade evenly and all yours should also. Perhaps that's what happened. Perhaps you never thought a new one could be misaligned. Always check it visually. It's never difficult.

I think there's some cheap broken knock offs (of good Micro Touch AKA Weishi razors) and with misaligned quality. I know because I have an excellent proper Micro Touch butterfly. Had I not already had good Walmart Micro Touch then I would have believed the bad ones I got were authentic Micro Touch's. You could tell the box had been copied and poorly. I would not be surprised if the bad clones are sponsored by the cartridge sellers. LOL!

Any double edge holder that doesn't automatically align blades (that you can easily see) is trash, rare or a conspiracy. In fact the fear of trying DE shaving is not the problem. Trying DE and getting over confident (because there was nothing to fear) can cause over confidence and bad experimentation. Respect the blade don't fear it. You can't drag it like cartridges require to get closer. You set you DE holder and a sharp enough blade custom to you; just so you can shave light and perfectly. I always say... Always shave for zero errors of any kind. Let the perfect shave happen over time. Don't force it! Only then can you see nothing beats DE. Close or even if you don't want it as close; for some reason. Then it's even easier.

Buy only where you can return and is rated well. Read reviews. Check product ratings. Research recommended favorites on shave sites. But not the expensive stuff. No need for expensive with DE. On any parts. The finest stuff can also be the least expensive. SLICK!
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Thanks. I got a bad one (different seller I think) that looked like this exact pictured butterfly design. I could tell it was flimsy, misaligned, cheap, did not seat well and downright dangerous. I took macro pictures of the physical flaws along the bar. I was pissed that I only got my money back after wasting time with it.

However, this and your bad experience does not always mean you get what you paid for. Stuff for DE shaving is inexpensive and I fear a bunch of other folks tried DE shaving with a broke holder and dull blades like these. My proof is I also bought a REMEI razor for $2 from china (30 days) and it's fabulous and mild (original Gillette Tech) clone. Now it's stamped mental and slight thin handle; but nicely done and shave wonderfully. I was told I got a good one. Some bad china sellers make crap copies. My good $2 one (shipped with nice Kai blade too) is perfect for starting (mild) and tames even a Feather blade very well. My best use for it is shaving the least of stubble (like twice daily shaves or the like) or speed shaving (best speed for what you get) for work. It's mainly my backup though. I use an aggressive "Mentor" head from IB and on my standard EJ's fine (short version) handle. Gillette 7 O'CLock (yellow box) blade. Three piece razors let you mix and match handles.

Anyway. Cutting ones self is only done by ones self and no razor ever does that. You may feel it does; but it can't. One simply checks blade alignment as they simply screw the thing in. All my razors automatically align the blade evenly and all yours should also. Perhaps that's what happened. Perhaps you never thought a new one could be misaligned. Always check it visually. It's never difficult.

I think there's some cheap broken knock offs (of good Micro Touch AKA Weishi razors) and with misaligned quality. I know because I have an excellent proper Micro Touch butterfly. Had I not already had good Walmart Micro Touch then I would have believed the bad ones I got were authentic Micro Touch's. You could tell the box had been copied and poorly. I would not be surprised if the bad clones are sponsored by the cartridge sellers. LOL!

Any double edge holder that doesn't automatically align blades (that you can easily see) is trash, rare or a conspiracy. In fact the fear of trying DE shaving is not the problem. Trying DE and getting over confident (because there was nothing to fear) can cause over confidence and bad experimentation. Respect the blade don't fear it. You can't drag it like cartridges require to get closer. You set you DE holder and a sharp enough blade custom to you; just so you can shave light and perfectly. I always say... Always shave for zero errors of any kind. Let the perfect shave happen over time. Don't force it! Only then can you see nothing beats DE. Close or even if you don't want it as close; for some reason. Then it's even easier.

Buy only where you can return and is rated well. Read reviews. Check product ratings. Research recommended favorites on shave sites. But not the expensive stuff. No need for expensive with DE. On any parts. The finest stuff can also be the least expensive. SLICK!
Great info, I would love to try DE but have no clue. I barely shave now just to avoid the hassle. Wish you had a seminar and buying guide! Smilie
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Great info, I would love to try DE but have no clue. I barely shave now just to avoid the hassle. Wish you had a seminar and buying guide! https://static.slickdealscdn.com/ima...lies/smile.gif
Have fun: https://www.italianbarber.com/col...t-kit-0033

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It is a 3 piece so later you can mix and match
It is well built compared to some. Basic head; but works well*. Slight nicer handle.
It is mild so perfect for starting with less cutting angle and way less dragging like cartridges.
*It's rated to still have good close removal without errors (with good lighter technique).
Easy to get under nose with it.

Now it will eventually promote bad habits; if you have a tough old beard. So if you do be sure to move up when you get practiced shaving with it and your face acclimates to closer. if one does ahve a tough old beard the get the $6.95 Mentor head with your order. Get whole Mentor razor if you want the other handle.

That brush is what you want. Easy car. Best size. Hold enough water. Exfoliates well.

The (hard) soap will have to be swirled up 60 swirls or so; but then good.

Bonus Alum Block can be used to feel if you're going a little to far. Rinse it back off before cold water and balm.

Derby may be good for starting; but they are the dullest. Smoothest though. If you have a tough stubble then you need sharper. Do get an inexpensive 1 each blade sampler somewhere. This mild razor would tame the sharper blades though and that could be a good combo for many. Don't just assume you'll use the sharpest Feather blade. It may not match with your skin elasticity. Get sharp enough where there's no drag. This is always after the shower; so softer beard.

Oh yeah. Angle it way less close cutting on your neck. Feel a little stubble there but look clean and NO RAZOR BUMPS that way. Go closer where your face can take it (after acclimation); but DO NOT OVERWORK IT. Keep the passes over any area the lowest. Simply take it up again next time. Tomorrow or every other day (when you want baby smooth). Shave for zero errors always. No pains (like cartridge friction) of ANY matter. None. Feel it. Hear it.
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Details were posted relevant to the shaving shopper and the need for new DE shavers to NOT shave with the bad habit cartridges promote.

Plus this particular offering might be a broken knock off when compared to the other very inexpensive and yet rock solid and perfectly aligned DE offerings. I got one once and it was not fit to shave with. However I had an IDENTICAL one from another source that was absolutely perfect and excellent mild shaver. You could even tell you by looking close at it. It was not just variation in manufacture.

Try to verify it's chromed (well) over brass or similar solid quality.

Of course there's even "bake lite" hard plastic ones that works really well. So all manner of materials and mixes. It's just depends on the model. Simple hunt around for reviews you can trust.
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Great info, Thank you.

I don't have a thick beard or hair. I'm known to use the same cartridge for years... Smilie

I'm not into the clean military type saving every day, My hair grows slow and I will use it mostly for trimming neck and around the beard.

now, if i could only find a free shipping coupon for that site Smilie

I just bought the one on this thread for an uncle. but will consider your suggestion. Thanks again
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Have fun: https://www.italianbarber.com/col...t-kit-0033

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It is a 3 piece so later you can mix and match
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Question, When you say 3 piece, what do you mean?

This is what it says in the instructions.

"1. Turn the knob at the button of the razor handle to the left and the two doors on the head open."

Thanks
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Question, When you say 3 piece, what do you mean?

This is what it says in the instructions.

"1. Turn the knob at the button of the razor handle to the left and the two doors on the head open."

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My mistake. That one is a TTO Turn To Open, barn door, butterfly blade insert type.

3 piece razor/holders handle unscrews from the top and bottom plate. That allows handle swapping.

A 2-piece has the bottom plate fixed to the handle and top plate has a longer screw the goes into it. So the handle can't be swapped.

None of them are difficult. TTO is easier I guess. Most of them are very mild shavers. The Weishi/MicroTouch TTO's are OK. Do be on the look out for poorly cast and unaligned crap copies though. The beefy-er sided ones like Bali are slightly better.

Yeah this is the beefy-er one.

Also https://www.italianbarber.com/col...fety-razor is the 3 piece and $1 less. Its cap extends to cover the sides of the blade.
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My mistake. That one is a TTO Turn To Open, barn door, butterfly blade insert type.

3 piece razor/holders handle unscrews from the top and bottom plate. That allows handle swapping.

A 2-piece has the bottom plate fixed to the handle and top plate has a longer screw the goes into it. So the handle can't be swapped.

None of them are difficult. TTO is easier I guess. Most of them are very mild shavers. The Weishi/MicroTouch TTO's are OK. Do be on the look out for poorly cast and unaligned crap copies though. The beefy-er sided ones like Bali are slightly better.

Yeah this is the beefy-er one.

Also https://www.italianbarber.com/col...fety-razor is the 3 piece and $1 less. Its cap extends to cover the sides of the blade.
Not a problem, thanks for the reply. I like the 3 piece, seems simple and less mechanical complications,
Given that I'm not concerned about constant shaving and a baby butt type close shaving, (I've always shaved with the hair. ) I might shave when hairs are 1/4 inch long, or i usually trimmed them down to 1/8th. with a trimmer. I also do not have a thick beard or full, (oriental genes)
how important are the soaps and brush? should and go ahead add them to the cart while i'm at it or can i get away with just the razor. if so, any recommendations?

For now I will just be using this for shaping the beard I do have, i.e neck, and cheeks.


Thanks again
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Not a problem, thanks for the reply. I like the 3 piece, seems simple and less mechanical complications,
Given that I'm not concerned about constant shaving and a baby butt type close shaving, (I've always shaved with the hair. ) I might shave when hairs are 1/4 inch long, or i usually trimmed them down to 1/8th. with a trimmer. I also do not have a thick beard or full, (oriental genes)
how important are the soaps and brush? should and go ahead add them to the cart while i'm at it or can i get away with just the razor. if so, any recommendations?

For now I will just be using this for shaping the beard I do have, i.e neck, and cheeks.


Thanks again
Yes simpler can be better with longevity and cleaning too.

Handel trading does affect overall weight, balance and a shorter one gets under the jaw easier; but that's fine nuances. They do count.

Everyone would greatly benefit good learning; to do the glass like perfect DE shave (with absolute zero errors or pains) and one surely has to work up to that; a few days. But that's not even needed for regular daily shaves (or every other or trimming). Nor does that have to be very slow (with practice); but see when you CAN do a glass like shave (which I bet most of you do not yet believe) then that is perfect for deciding where to stop or how to speed shave for work. After-all a glass shave last like half a day; right? But I would not want to be without my ability to get a glass like shave and now easily. Also, I do not necessarily shave every day.

I'm currently playing with whether I like an adjustable. As I am playing with my new MingShi 2000S that can be ordered for $8! I'm not sure that I don't just prefer two different razors with set closeness. The milder one for my neck. But turning the handle is not hard. LOL. I modded my adjustable for rock solid blade alignment even way up on high. Apparently I have the beard from Hades; because I can shave with it on high(+) just fine. But you do have to be oh so careful and practiced with that. That's really for thick long grown out beards where you don't even have to trim it down first. Now that conversely setup mild is so easy; now that I can also optionally do the aggressively close DE shaving. This is not something you can do on day one! But shaving is the kind of thing you do over and over so good technique happens. It's just so NOT like cartridge shaving. You know I tried (again) giving the best carts an extremely unbiased try and using all the stuff I learned. Carts just suck so bad; comparatively. But again not on day one. ANY new way of shaving deserves some respect and time getting used to it. If it a closer. With a MUCH closer method then you need to give your skin some days to get used to it. Those newbies who don't listen get red faced and have to put a little coconut oil on and then it's fine. The problem is trying to get glass smooth on day one. DON'T do that! I mean DE is potentially much better than carts even on day one; but not by doing it wrong. I reject the idea that one must cut themselves to learn DE! That's stupid. Don't,"hunt the line". This is why carts make very bad habits. You HAVE to push in way to hard to get a cart to cut hair and then it can only do so much(poorly). All wrong. Welcome to no friction shaving. That's the real reason DE is far better; once acclimated.

Yes, there's no reason to get hog wild with the most aggressive gaps and sharpest Feather blade. The point of DE is getting YOUR personal gap and blade sharpness. Start with a very mild safety range (like a tech clone or these razors here). Only if you have a tough old beard will you need to change that LATER after acclimating. So the holder part is easy at first; just as long as you remember it is very mild in closeness. There is "another". Then with blade sharpness: It's sharp enough so that it has little drag resistance; but not so sharp that it makes your skin red(razor burn). Everyone's skin has different elasticity. Sharper can go a little closer but that promotes bad habits; because the aggressive closeness of the holder is what mainly determines closeness WITH a lighter and lighter touch. In fact; it of course REQUIRES that lighter touch but just to a point. It's still in its bar guarded safety range.

You can shave very mild with an aggressively close gaped razor-holder. It's simply a less cutting angle. It takes technique and what lets you get close and not across the same face region. Easy. Carts CAN'T do this. So every DE shaver is somewhat closeness-adjustable; just by the angle you hold it. Very cool.

Remember DE can be set up so mild as to be the absolute best way to LEAVE stubble length; if you want that trend. Note: That's for a face. Any required bald body stuff is usually best with a foil of some type. So I'm not against other tools for other jobs. I use a foil for my ears. Other hair you may just want cut lowish (not everything should be bald) is best with trimmer/clippers of some type. (And BTW you do not have to buy an expensive body groomer just to get rounded trimmers on both sides of a foil). It's just if DE for you face isn't an option for you you are truly missing out. Perhaps ladies shaved legs too.

Inexpensive top rated shave soap and a brush is the deal! But see that's is for any way you shave and not just for DE. It's just that closer requires the best prep possible.

I recommend those most affordable and top rated hard pucks(or stick), croaps or shave creams. They have the best cushion, slip and hydrating stay put-ness time. Such that even after shaving over them then they still leave some slickness. Very important; just as it is to shave after your shower(hydrating). See you don't need as aggressive a setup this way and the whole thing goes smoother and faster. You do not have to worry about being so careful. It gets EASIER than cartridges that way. Because cart friction adds up to much and you can't get the swipes you need before you should just stop it. Remember: No errors look way better than a perfect glass smoothness. Do not lust for it on week one but many of you do not believe yet; that you can get glass smooth without the errors. Another effect of the cart world.

For the brush; the Synthetic can't be beat and due to its low price (the one here is my exact recommendation) and there's no bad animal hair smell or careful drying and storing issues. They hold almost as much water in them as a good badger brush and it's enough. I got the bigger (Bruce) as I was concerned about water retention and it's overkill. The brush here is the perfect balance and price. Get that. Change you shaving life. Did you know dermatologists are selling expensive battery powered swirly brushes to fix face issues and the old shaving brush does it better. No batteries are required. No batts for DE either! I'm not kidding... even ladies would be much better served with a good shaving brush just to wash their face. Think of it as good dermatological science fact.

There's nothing better for trimming a beard than DE. Some (Barbers) like open blades; but I think DE is easiest and you get used to it by you regular shaving anyway. With the safety intact. This is also where a thinner DE head and short handle helps see the fine lines. It's better because it makes a better contrast by completely removing the stubble and exfoliates the skin there also. Just go much lighter angle on the neck.

I get no perks for IB and do not like their shipping costs. Just because it's better to buy a bunch of stuff for the same shipping. But they have great deals and selection. Shop around though. I got some stuff from Royal Shave once too. I do recommend one (high review rated) soap at a time though. They last FOREVER. You don't want a collection (IMHO). But it's all very inexpensive so whatever. Try some stuff or you'll never know.

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I had fun speed shaving with a Speick STICK; because you can simply face lather with it.

TOBS cream must be tried. In scents: Eton college smelled fine. Rose and Avocado are sought after.

Mitchel's wool Fat is arguably the best classic hard puck. But you got to swirls it up like 60 turns. No big deal. just don't fail to get it to "bloom".

The soap in this thread is a hard one too and said to be good. Also their Amici "croap" is surprisingly good to shave with (fast) and I'm using it now. As good as any and it's like $2.99 and last so LONG.

Remember to leave (ATG only) a lot of (felt only) stubble on your lower neck; if you ever get redness (razor bumps from ingrown curling hairs) there. It will still look perfect.

It's all about self control. Do YOU have any?

See most guys are tinkers. Let go outside the box and skip stuff and do it our way. That's not a good plan for shaving. Shaving is an art that's been thoroughly done and worked out by experts. Plus people do vary. Age changes metrics. I'm still learning. I know you KNOW how to shave and don 't have time to change anything and are nervous about the lie of slicing your face off. Stop it. Smilie Be a gentleman. BALANCE.

Don't get several soaps and two blades to try. Get several blades and two soaps to try. See if you can find some single blade samplers.

Blades:

Derby Smoothest (and dullest). Basically for learning baby hair.

Dorco (DE) middle sharpness some like them

Astra - Most like and great middle plus sharpness.

Gillette - Any of the boxes with Yellow box "Sharp Edge" being the sharpest and almost as sharp as a Feather blade yet still somehow some smoothness (for me and some).

Feather for zero slicing drag; but not all faces can take them without burn. The most mild razors tame these well though. So if you're not after glass shaves and you want the zero slicing friction that would work.

Most would be happy starting with one of these(I mean IB's) very mild (closeness) razor/holders and an Astra blade. Then you can try blade sharper of smoother from there. HOWEVER you need to do this after acclimation time and with hydrating prep the same good way. Stick with one high rated soap during acclimation also.

The blade is the wildest variable or metric here. Such that you PROBABLY will never agree with my above assessment. It's just so you can start somewhere; with which ones. There's a LONG list of blade variables that cause this. There's no substitute for just trying different blades.

Wait this thread is the Earth-smart Weshi looking clone and I don't trust that not to be a broken copy. I was referencing the razors at Italian Barber. (and no I do not work for them).

If you're a tough old beard then it is possible to start with my recommended "Mentor" (Not MISSION) head from IB. But I'm not sure a mild razor is still always the best way to first start DE. If you think that you can't stop dragging the razor like you did cartridges then go mild holder first.

Don't start anew and turn an adjustable on high just to see what happens. LOL. I really think that's where the (honest) bad first trials go wrong. You know some folks are just that way. Then there's dishonest posts and shills. Think smart.
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Yes simpler can be better with longevity and cleaning too.

Handel trading does affect overall weight, balance and a shorter one gets under the jaw easier; but that's fine nuances. They do count.

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Thank you for taking the time on all the details.

Any good videos on youtube that you recommend?

I'm leaning towards the initial kit you recommended for $18, Since i don't know what to pair the 3 pc razor with and end up at the same price, it seems that the similar brush is $10 + the $7 razor that's already $17 and I don't have the soap and that aluminum block thingy.

I'm curious as to what the safest angle would be. again not concerned with close shave, just comfort. I have purchased the Astra blades pack of 100 from amazon for a family member, never have tried them.
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Thank you for taking the time on all the details.

Any good videos on youtube that you recommend?

I'm leaning towards the initial kit you recommended for $18, Since i don't know what to pair the 3 pc razor with and end up at the same price, it seems that the similar brush is $10 + the $7 razor that's already $17 and I don't have the soap and that aluminum block thingy.

I'm curious as to what the safest angle would be. again not concerned with close shave, just comfort. I have purchased the Astra blades pack of 100 from amazon for a family member, never have tried them.
You're welcome.

They say it's about 30 degrees. But you don't have to pop out a protractor. LOL. If you are shaving downward then simply keep the bottom of the handle more upwards and it shaves less closely within the Safety range. To far up and it stops. Some start way up and angle down until it just starts to clear stubble mildly closely. Then you know that's the mildest. With mild razors/holders it's not to terrible different than cartridges; at least in that regard. On more resilient areas where you'd like more closeness and like your jaw line; you can cut a little closer. Just don't get crazy and hold-off on that until your face gets used to it the first month. With really sharp blades you might not notice any problem until after the shave. Therefore go easy, check it afterward. Only then try just a little closer; but on a new day. You really have to force yourself to not be perfectly glass smooth on your first shaves. Stay with the grain only at first, too. You will not see the wonders of closeness yet; but it will happen eventually if you follow this shave after shave. ANY kind of pain feeling and you went to far. Later and once face acclimated then one best adjust the tools (personal custom as needed) and LIGHTER pressure. AKA a holder that cuts closer then lets you go with a lighter, winning, less friction stroke *and* requires it a little more. With CLOSER comes more responsibility. But it's really EASY; after some acclimation shaves. Those who start with impatience or with an axe to grind...well grind and like with cartridges. Control yourself.
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