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Given AMD chips are basically immune to the Meltdown and Spectre bugs from a practical Windows user standpoint due to AMD's different chip design over Intel chips, anyone that values not getting hacked AND not having their performance massively gimped by Intel updates should never even consider any new Intel system until they roll out new CPU designs that eliminates these Intel design flaws.

In theory AMD 'might' be susceptible to only the Spectre variant but you would need to need to physically crack open the system and modify the flash chip and it's only on a non standard Linux Kernel (Not Windows 10) plus AMD already has a small patch for even that ultra rare situation which is why from a practical standpoint AMD chips are immune to ALL of these attacks.

In stark contrast, 100% of Intel chips are flawed and remote attackable by all 3 variants on Windows AND Linux systems.

Choose your new CPU wisely. I'd recommend a Ryzen 1700, 1700x or 1800x.
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Given AMD chips are basically immune to the Meltdown and Spectre bugs from a practical Windows user standpoint due to AMD's different chip design over Intel chips, anyone that values not getting hacked AND not having their performance massively gimped by Intel updates should never even consider any new Intel system until they roll out new CPU designs that eliminates these Intel design flaws.

In theory AMD 'might' be susceptible to only the Spectre variant but you would need to need to physically crack open the system and modify the flash chip and it's only on a non standard Linux Kernel (Not Windows 10) plus AMD already has a small patch for even that ultra rare situation which is why from a practical standpoint AMD chips are immune to ALL of these attacks.

In stark contrast, 100% of Intel chips are flawed and remote attackable by all 3 variants on Windows AND Linux systems.

Choose your new CPU wisely. I'd recommend a Ryzen 1700, 1700x or 1800x.
There is a performance impact with the security patch but for most home use cases that doesn't have a big impact. The 8700K will probably still be faster than the Ryzen.
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I bet you not but that is for the benchmarkers to determine once all Intel's updates are implemented. Huge Intel performance hits are being reported all across twitter.

But that's not the real issue. The real issue is that Intel cpu's can be hacked remotely from within any web browser via the Spectre hack and they DO NOT HAVE A FIX FOR IT because it is in the hardware itself on how the Intel chips do their prefetch. AMD chips do their prefetch differently so you have to physically crack open each AMD machine and modify the flash chip first, but not the Intel CPUs.
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yeah, don't get intel... even though all the benchmarks show the 8700 and 8700k blow away the ryzens up to like the 1700x or 1800x (which they still outperform, also, it's just not a blowout win for intel against those).

On topic, too bad no microcenter here. All their good deals are always in store only. I probably want the standard 8700 and a b or h series mobo when those mobos come out. Only real problems with the intels are people saying they get way too hot. But that fact that they, as 6 core ones, blow away 8 core ryzen ones shows how good they are.
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I bet you not but that is for the benchmarkers to determine once all Intel's updates are implemented. Huge Intel performance hits are being reported all across twitter.

But that's not the real issue. The real issue is that Intel cpu's can be hacked remotely from within any web browser via the Spectre hack and they DO NOT HAVE A FIX FOR IT because it is in the hardware itself on how the Intel chips do their prefetch. AMD chips do their prefetch differently so you have to physically crack open each AMD machine and modify the flash chip first, but not the Intel CPUs.
You have no clue what you're talking about. 0 clues. LMAO

1. AMD CPU's are affected. (see: https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/...-execution) 2nd variant of Spectre.
2. AMD has been using the language "near zero risk", Not Zero exposure. They are affected too, just like Intel.
2. Spectre is a vulnerability, not an exploit. (not yet anyway)
3. Spectre allows for unauthorized users to view "some" protected memory space in the CPU.
4. Hypervisors are affected. As the line between OS's hosted on hypervisors can now get a partial glimpse into what another host OS is doing.
5. You cannot remotely hack Intel CPUs via web browsers with Spectre. Its a vulnerability NOT AN EXPLOIT.
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