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4K HDR Ultra, What the?

1 10 January 29, 2018 at 06:23 PM
My 42 inch plasma Panasonic dies after a decade.

I am a slickdeals reader for years so I pour over all the deals. I read Consumer Reports. I even ask coworkers.

These new smart TVs and LEDs look good, they're relatively cheap and people all say they have a great picture. I go to the Best Buy, I watch all the lossless beautiful instore blu ray 4K quality videos they show on the TVs. The young fella recommends and the higher end TCL (another unknown but supposedly awesome brand I am told), he shows me video game footage on his phone and I'm not amazed.
I like the Hisense - 55" Class (54.6" Diag.) - LED - 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD TV with High Dynamic Range Model: 55H8CSKU, it looks nice, it's inexpensive and everybody says they are decent.

I take it home, plug in the FIOS, play with it for a few hours, change all the settings on the set top box and TV 2 or 3 times and it looks like garbage to me.

I go back to another store. They, of course, say the TCl and Hisense are cheap crap. They say even though it says HDR and ultra 4K, it's all lies. They recommend I jump to OLED and tell me, as a plasma guy, I'll never be happy again unless I buy an LG OLED for $1600 or a higher end Sony XBR55X900E $1000 or something along these lines.

I really need slickdeal opinions here. Thank you all for reading

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My 42 inch plasma Panasonic dies after a decade.

I am a slickdeals reader for years so I pour over all the deals. I read Consumer Reports. I even ask coworkers.

These new smart TVs and LEDs look good, they're relatively cheap and people all say they have a great picture. I go to the Best Buy, I watch all the lossless beautiful instore blu ray 4K quality videos they show on the TVs. The young fella recommends and the higher end TCL (another unknown but supposedly awesome brand I am told), he shows me video game footage on his phone and I'm not amazed.
I like the Hisense - 55" Class (54.6" Diag.) - LED - 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD TV with High Dynamic Range Model: 55H8CSKU, it looks nice, it's inexpensive and everybody says they are decent.

I take it home, plug in the FIOS, play with it for a few hours, change all the settings on the set top box and TV 2 or 3 times and it looks like garbage to me.

I go back to another store. They, of course, say the TCl and Hisense are cheap crap. They say even though it says HDR and ultra 4K, it's all lies. They recommend I jump to OLED and tell me, as a plasma guy, I'll never be happy again unless I buy an LG OLED for $1600 or a higher end Sony XBR55X900E $1000 or something along these lines.

I really need slickdeal opinions here. Thank you all for reading
A lot depends on your TV provider and the quality of the picture they deliver to you. That said, you have to know that stores get high end, top flight quality signals pushed to their TVs and make sure (at least they should) that everything is setup to make the picture look the best. So while you can compare pictures in store, it does not necessarily translate to what you get at home. Additionally, the store is probably using true 4K video to show off the TV. Most TV content is still 1080p and some 4k TVs simply do not upscale well or show that well in full HD mode. The store will also always try to push you to OLEDs since they are not only the best picture, but at a significantly higher price point (which means more commission for the sales person).

That said, the low end manufacturers are low end for a reason. My advice would be to stick to name brand manufacturers (Samsung, LG, etc...with Samsung being the overwhelming 800 pound gorilla in the room) and use review sites to get a feel as to ratings\pictures.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews

is a decent source.
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Buy a vizio P series... Even the first gen. They having active back-lighting, great up-scaling, and depending on the model you get HDR. They also cost much less. I bought my P60 a few years back for $799 (Sam's Club BF exclusive). Have yet to see a better TV for the price (mines 3 years old).
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As a fellow plasma owner, I can sympathize with you. Like Beta vs VHS, the better technology lost. You will never be happy with the crappola LED images. And to date, LED still has motion blur. Even 4k LED is a step down from 1080 Plasma. I just got a 4k tv and the image is terrible. It looks washed out, and has a very narrow field of view unlike plasma which looks good no matter where you are. My 2 plasma TVs are still going strong and hopefully will never die. I feel your pain!
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I'll add my 2 cents. I ditched my 60" 1080p LG plasma, and have a new 55" Hisense H7D 4K tv, and it blew away the plasma, even after tweaking that plasma to the best settings I could manage. I did find you need to enable Enhanced Mode on the HDMI settings and ensured I am plugged into the 4k 60fps ports (2 of 4 are rated for this). Couldnt be happier
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4K is only resolution.

4K UltraHD with HDR also includes 10-bit color (over 1 billion colors) instead of 8-bit color (17 million colors).

So to take best advantage, you want a panel that's truly 10-bits... at least, a panel with a much wider color gamut.

There are two leading technologies in TV today: OLED, which is very expensive, and Quantum Dot, known as QLED by Samsung. OLED costs more, is thinner, and the blacks are better. But it can't get as bright as an LED or QLED TV set. So if you want the best quality for movies in a dimmed room, it's OLED. But if you want the best quality for a brighter room, like watching daytime sports, the QLED TV's have the advantage.
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I have an older Samsung LNT-5281F that I use with a PS3 as my Blu Ray player. When I look at the newer sets the OLED's stand out but the depth and realism look worse. The newer sets look like flat colorful bright cartoons. I just played the newest Top Gun Blu Ray and it was great, maybe a little dark. Unless they can offer a huge improvement, in more than just colors and resolution I'll stick to my older set. Maybe, like the cars today, lighter and smaller/thinner is not the greatest thing in the world, maybe just greater profits....
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Unless they can offer a huge improvement, in more than just colors and resolution I'll stick to my older set.
What is a display supposed to offer, besides colors and resolution?

Some sets do have motion smoothing, and many people don't like it. You might want to turn it off on the set before you judge the set.

The other thing is that more colors and more resolution let you use HDR mode, which looks markedly better when used with HDR content. I don't know if you had that set up when you looked at the TV. If you were watching an ordinary blu-ray, not 4K UHD, then you weren't seeing most of the benefit which the new set can offer.
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What is a display supposed to offer, besides colors and resolution?

Some sets do have motion smoothing, and many people don't like it. You might want to turn it off on the set before you judge the set.

The other thing is that more colors and more resolution let you use HDR mode, which looks markedly better when used with HDR content. I don't know if you had that set up when you looked at the TV. If you were watching an ordinary blu-ray, not 4K UHD, then you weren't seeing most of the benefit which the new set can offer.
I do see a difference but not enough to offset the negatives. Like I said, the new set look fake and cartoon like with no depth, flat photo like panels with great colors and brightness. They look better than real life....just my take....
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