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White film on dishes from dishwasher

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Seems to happen mostly on plastic and metal items. We don't use a ton of glassware (2 small kids) so it might happen on glass too but we don't notice it. Film seems to be waxy or powdery in nature (but not gritty) and wipes off easily.

Some sites say that it's due to excess detergent, but all I ever use are single use packs (not pods, it's more like a compressed brick of detergent powder), so there isn't really a way to halve the amount of detergent.

I've tried running the faucet nearest to the dishwasher as hot as it goes, but I run the washer at night so it's ready by the early AM (usually starts about 4 AM), so this isn't an option most of the time.

Ideas? I just tried a citric acid "rinse" (some other sites indicated the film might be due to detergent buildup in the dishwasher itself) but have yet to run a load of dishes through it.

I haven't tried changing detergent yet. I have thought about adding TSP, as apparently (again the google tells me) that manufacturers were forced to remove it from detergent some time ago which has reduced cleaning efficiency (and I already have a bag of it from laundry use).

I don't have a model but it's about 14-15 yo whirlpool. Our water is hard but we have a whole house softener that's maintained yearly.

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It's possible that you have a hard water problem. You can try a softening product such as finish hard water booster power (available on amazon if you cant find it locally) with your next load. If that works and your old washer is at the end of its life consider buying a new one with a built in water softener (which will require dishwasher salt)
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It's possible that you have a hard water problem. You can try a softening product such as finish hard water booster power (available on amazon if you cant find it locally) with your next load. If that works and your old washer is at the end of its life consider buying a new one with a built in water softener (which will require dishwasher salt)
I said I do have hard water but have a whole house softener already. Also no scale issues anywhere else in the house.
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Basically what I said about phosphates. So, rather than run through 2 wash cycles (second citric acid), could I just add TSP as a phosphate replacement to the normal wash cycle?
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Basically what I said about phosphates. So, rather than run through 2 wash cycles (second citric acid), could I just add TSP as a phosphate replacement to the normal wash cycle?

The tree huggers got the phosphates taken out of dish washer detergent a few years ago. This in combo with hard water or even somewhat hard water can cause your dishes to get this film on it\not come out as clean. I have been using bubble bandit which has phosphates and the problem has since gone away. Highly recommended.

https://www.bubblebandit.com/coll.../frontpage

They usually have a coupon online for 5 or 10% off. One scoop per load and a 4 1b bag lasts quite awhile.
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The tree huggers got the phosphates taken out of dish washer detergent a few years ago. This in combo with hard water or even somewhat hard water can cause your dishes to get this film on it\not come out as clean. I have been using bubble bandit which has phosphates and the problem has since gone away. Highly recommended.

https://www.bubblebandit.com/coll.../frontpage

They usually have a coupon online for 5 or 10% off. One scoop per load and a 4 1b bag lasts quite awhile.
I have TSP laying around so I will try that first. Apparently commercial detergents still work, but this being SD I have quite the stockpile of detergent before I run out!
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My sister's dishwasher had such a buildup that she went about month of not adding soap to the dishwasher before she needed to finally add soap for each load of dishes.

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Are you using Finish Powerball? I had to add this, Finish Hard Water Booster Powder, Lemon Sparkle [amazon.com]

Then I went back to Cascade pods.
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Basically what I said about phosphates. So, rather than run through 2 wash cycles (second citric acid), could I just add TSP as a phosphate replacement to the normal wash cycle?
Yes you can use it in the dishwasher. Or you could use that stuff I mentioned earlier in the normal wash cycle. They banned TSP because it's bad for the environment, so any dead baby seals and/or kittens that wash up on the beach near your house are probably your fault.
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I have TSP laying around so I will try that first. Apparently commercial detergents still work, but this being SD I have quite the stockpile of detergent before I run out!
Fortunately I never bought dish detergent in bulk. Had one box of Cascade and basically it will eventually get thrown in the trash.
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Are you using Finish Powerball? I had to add this, Finish Hard Water Booster Powder, Lemon Sparkle [amazon.com]

Then I went back to Cascade pods.
Yep. That actuially happens to be the detergent people are using when I google this issue.

A whole box and a half left!

Then I have the clorox pods afterward.
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I am VERY familiar with this issue I just went through this. I cleaned out my entire dishwasher and that white crap was coming off in sheets literally. Every glass had it. Dishes had it. Plastic was the worst. I had this for years until I tried the pods. I will NEVER go back to powder or liquid now. Buy one pack of pods and you will not be disappointed. I use the 15x ones.

Also you can use straight vinegar as your rinse agent. It works just as well (better actually) for almost no cost.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...UTF8&psc=1
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Yes you can use it in the dishwasher. Or you could use that stuff I mentioned earlier in the normal wash cycle. They banned TSP because it's bad for the environment, so any dead baby seals and/or kittens that wash up on the beach near your house are probably your fault.
Tried it last night. Can't say if it "worked" or not, but what came out of the dishwasher wasn't all coated in crack residue either.

FWIW apparently people were linking excess phosphates to algae blooms. So, many state governments banned phosphates for household use (which is also why it disappeared from laundry detergents). Trouble is, research has shown that the form of phosphate in detergents isn't bioavailable to algae, so while not necessarily a good thing to be dumping in lakes and the ocean, household detergents aren't the issue. That's government for you.
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I am VERY familiar with this issue I just went through this. I cleaned out my entire dishwasher and that white crap was coming off in sheets literally. Every glass had it. Dishes had it. Plastic was the worst. I had this for years until I tried the pods. I will NEVER go back to powder or liquid now. Buy one pack of pods and you will not be disappointed. I use the 15x ones.

Also you can use straight vinegar as your rinse agent. It works just as well (better actually) for almost no cost.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...UTF8&psc=1

I think that's actually the box I have at home; again bought on SD awhile back. The ingredients don't list any phosphates but do list baking soda.
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