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I know most people will ignore this deal but I actually need another 12TB HDD.

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Good price for 12tb. Paid roughly the same for 12tb WD Golds during eBay 20% off last week, and in line with WDC edu price for same. I was very tempted to pick up this model before the eBay deal rolled around... specs are similar to the Gold line, but somehow Seagate prices it cheaper than its Base Ironwolf drives (which are WD Red tier).

Coupon maxes out at $200, so you can get full discount at up to 4 drives, or $40 off ea (instead of $43.44 off ea) of 5.
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If you have say three 8tb wds in, you cant put a 12tb in your nas server right?
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Interesting deal, but I am sticking with 8TB drives for now.
This deal = $32.50 per TB
I am averaging about $17 per TB with the 8TB drives.
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If you have say three 8tb wds in, you cant put a 12tb in your nas server right?
If I recall correctly, it depends on how the NAS is setup.
If you have room for 4 or more drives and the current config is JBOD, then you should be able to add a 12TB drive (assuming the NAS supports drives that large).
This would get you 36TB of storage (with no fault tolerance).
If your NAS is setup in any other config (Ex: RAID1, RAID5), you'd likely run into an issue.
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If you have say three 8tb wds in, you cant put a 12tb in your nas server right?
depends - in some cases you can add it but the extra 4TB will not be accessible until you upgrade the other members.

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If I recall correctly, it depends on how the NAS is setup.
If you have room for 4 or more drives and the current config is JBOD, then you should be able to add a 12TB drive (assuming the NAS supports drives that large).
This would get you 36TB of storage (with no fault tolerance).
If your NAS is setup in any other config (Ex: RAID1, RAID5), you'd likely run into an issue.
Have a Qnap tvs 871 with 8 bays in RAID 1.. hmm. They said I could either do two separate raid configurations or put them in side by side but youll lose 4tb till all are 12tb then we got disconnected. Need to call them back but with this im wondering if you can just migrate the info from the 8tb hard drives to the 12tb, then once migrated you take out the 8tb drives and put in other 12tb drives. But its raid 1 so youre saying there will be an issue? What kind of issue?
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depends - in some cases you can add it but the extra 4TB will not be accessible until you upgrade the other members.

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QNAP mentioned that but can you copy paste the data to the 12tb hard drives then take the 8tb drives out to where if its only say 2 or 3 12tb drives theyll be recognized as 12tb and not 8tb?

Thats only if you have their store credit card right?
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Have a Qnap tvs 871 with 8 bays in RAID 1.. hmm. They said I could either do two separate raid configurations or put them in side by side but youll lose 4tb till all are 12tb then we got disconnected. Need to call them back but with this im wondering if you can just migrate the info from the 8tb hard drives to the 12tb, then once migrated you take out the 8tb drives and put in other 12tb drives. But its raid 1 so youre saying there will be an issue? What kind of issue?
I'll break it down for you as easily as I can.
Try to keep the size, make and model the same for each RAID configuration.

If you have 8 bays, sure you can have 2 separate RAID10 configs.
Btw - RAID1 is for 2 drives only - anything more than 2 (ex: 4) would be a RAID10 setup.
Regardless, I'd STRONGLY urge you to keep RAID configs 100% matching in size, make/model.
Don't start mixing and matching makes/models/speeds. You're adding an extra complication that could really compromise the entire setup.
You have 8 bays?
You want to add a 12TB drive?
Buy 2 and put them in a RAID1 setup or buy 4 and put them in a RAID10 setup.
Don't buy 1 and try to add it to an existing 8TB RAID config. It's just a best practice kind of thing. If you ever need warranty work on the drives or if your RAID config bombs, the manufacturer you contact will likely throw their hands up when you say the drives weren't the same size or make/model.
Keep things simple: Stick with 4 matching drives (ex: 8TB) in a RAID10 config and 4 additional matching drives (ex: 12TB) in a RAID10 config.
Hope this helps.
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I'll break it down for you as easily as I can.
Try to keep the size, make and model the same for each RAID configuration.

If you have 8 bays, sure you can have 2 separate RAID10 configs.
Btw - RAID1 is for 2 drives only - anything more than 2 (ex: 4) would be a RAID10 setup.
Regardless, I'd STRONGLY urge you to keep RAID configs 100% matching in size, make/model.
Don't start mixing and matching makes/models/speeds. You're adding an extra complication that could really compromise the entire setup.
You have 8 bays?
You want to add a 12TB drive?
Buy 2 and put them in a RAID1 setup or buy 4 and put them in a RAID10 setup.
Don't buy 1 and try to add it to an existing 8TB RAID config. It's just a best practice kind of thing. If you ever need warranty work on the drives or if your RAID config bombs, the manufacturer you contact will likely throw their hands up when you say the drives weren't the same size or make/model.
Keep things simple: Stick with 4 matching drives (ex: 8TB) in a RAID10 config and 4 additional matching drives (ex: 12TB) in a RAID10 config.
Hope this helps.
Ty for explaining. Hmmm, was thinking I could sell the 8tb ones and get all as 12tb. Was wondering if there was a way to say, get two, transfer the data to the two possibly then get rid of the 8tb ones so I can use the money to buy more 12tb drives. And yea its 8 bays. It shows that I have 14tb but have two 8tb wd red nas drives. Guess the rest is for the os and backups?
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Ty for explaining. Hmmm, was thinking I could sell the 8tb ones and get all as 12tb. Was wondering if there was a way to say, get two, transfer the data to the two possibly then get rid of the 8tb ones so I can use the money to buy more 12tb drives. And yea its 8 bays. It shows that I have 14tb but have two 8tb wd red nas drives. Guess the rest is for the os and backups?
I just looked online and what is sold as 8TB of storage is often going to be only 7.45TB.
So 7.45TB x 2 = 14.9TB. I suppose it wouldn't be abnormal for the NAS OS to claim some of that for itself so yeah, I can see 14TB showing as the available storage.

Regarding the moving of data from one set of drives to another, I'm not sure the easiest way to do that.
Let me know the make/model of the NAS and I'll take a look and see what I can find.
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I just looked online and what is sold as 8TB of storage is often going to be only 7.45TB.
So 7.45TB x 2 = 14.9TB. I suppose it wouldn't be abnormal for the NAS OS to claim some of that for itself so yeah, I can see 14TB showing as the available storage.

Regarding the moving of data from one set of drives to another, I'm not sure the easiest way to do that.
Let me know the make/model of the NAS and I'll take a look and see what I can find.

Sounds right.

Its the QNAP TVS-871, ty.
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For those who feel they can't lose data fast enough from failing Seagate 8Tb drives.
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Sounds right.

Its the QNAP TVS-871, ty.
You're good, man.
I just looked and that NAS is a kick-ass unit with loads of functionality.
If you have empty bays (which you do), you can put the 12TB drives in the empty bays and create a RAID volume.
Now you'd have two RAID volumes, the one that has the 14TB of space, and this new one that you created using xx amount of 12TB drives.
From there, you should be able to easily migrate/copy the data from one volume to the other.
Then when the copy is completed, delete the first volume and sell the drives.
Because you have 8 bays to work with, this should be a painless process.
Push comes to shove, you should easily be able to reach out to QNAP support for help with this. Hope this helps.
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