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I decided to give www.greentoe.com a shot, and made a bid on the Sony 65" A1E. They didn't accept my offer ($2500) but I got a counter-offer for $2699, including tax and shipping.

That's $200 cheaper than the Massdrop deal, and $50 to $100 cheaper than any other deals I've seen here on this set. But let me know if my search skills are lacking.

Please be gentle. I haven't posted a lot of deals here, so I'm probably making all kinds of newb mistakes. And I know there has been frustration with Greentoe based on some previous posts that looked suspiciously like self-promotion. But I got a good deal, and figured others might be able to benefit.

Unfortunately, the rules of Greentoe prohibit me from saying who the retailer was who is fulfilling this purchase. I will say, though, that it is a company that is often mentioned here for good deals and for providing good customer service. I've bought from that retailer a number of times, and had nothing but positive experiences.

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Good price for the set, though I'd suggest most go ahead and save $800 and grab an LG B7A that has the same panel in it...(then get another $500 back from CC PP)

processor is different, but the LG one wins most of the actual "vs" shootouts against the Sony anyway.
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Yep, the LG will be a better deal for lots of folks. I decided the Sony would be better for me. Somebody on avsforum already has one of the 2018 LG models, and wrote up the fantastic comparison vs the A1E that I've quoted below. Based on this and the feedback of other calibrators who have played with the '18 models, I decided it was worth it to me to pay the extra for the Sony. That is, the advantages of the Sony matter more to me, and the advantages of the LG matter less. For instance, I care a lot about being able to see shadow details, and Sony wins there. I also watch a lot of football, and folks say Sony really trumps LG there.

I'm not a CC PP guy, so that doesn't apply to me. But yeah, that would add to the case for the LG for those who do.


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1) The near black detail, noise, posterization is fixed on the LG and looks essentially identical to my Sony A1E after calibration. Nothing is perfect but in my opinion, it's good enough given the limitations of WLED.

2) Motion processing is still superior on the Sony. The LG does a great job and has improved for 2018. They did implement BFI but the slight flicker in brighter scenes might be annoying to watch.

3) Upscaling of cable, etc, is still superior on the Sony although LG has improved a lot here but in my opinion, they messed up by including the gradient and noise controls combined in one control.

4) HDR on the LG is noticeably brighter than the A1E probably due to the about 100-150 nits brighter panel this year. HDR tone mapping has completely changed and in my opinion is a lot better. LG really focuses on HDR and it is hard to beat.

5) DV processing on the LG is improved and pretty much matches the Sony. It's close enough with the Sony maybe having a slight edge in brightness due to processing.

6) ABL management on the LG is superior. With normal content the Sony and the LG look pretty much the same but when the screen exceeds a certain amount of overall white, like in a commercial, the LG is able to maintain that bright white screen while the Sony can't. You can really only notice this when you have the two sets side by side.
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Nice, I bought the LG, but I really like Sony. I'm sure you will be very happy!!
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Yep, the LG will be a better deal for lots of folks. I decided the Sony would be better for me. Somebody on avsforum already has one of the 2018 LG models, and wrote up the fantastic comparison vs the A1E that I've quoted below. Based on this and the feedback of other calibrators who have played with the '18 models, I decided it was worth it to me to pay the extra for the Sony. That is, the advantages of the Sony matter more to me, and the advantages of the LG matter less. For instance, I care a lot about being able to see shadow details, and Sony wins there. I also watch a lot of football, and folks say Sony really trumps LG there.

I'm not a CC PP guy, so that doesn't apply to me. But yeah, that would add to the case for the LG for those who do.
I doubt you would see the difference side by side. Is the Sony Android ? If so that's a big negative compared to the LG OS.
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I doubt you would see the difference side by side. Is the Sony Android ? If so that's a big negative compared to the LG OS.
Interesting point
I have seen the two side by side...at length...and thought I preferred the Sony

However...I knew which TV I was looking at
I wonder if I would have come to the same conclusion if the brand had been hidden

The other thing I have decided to be watchful of is viewing material supplied by the manufacturer

I do think Sony is android btw
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I think if you watch a lot of sports, then the Sony is the choice. It works better in fast motions.
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i dont like the speaker behind the screen on the sony. i bought a 65 e7 lg oled when it was 2300. amazing tv. so either buy the high end lg e7 or save a few bucks and get a b7 lg. and be careful with greentoe, you might bid and get charged and regret it cause you find a cheaper 1 or you realize returning this giant tv might be a hassle.
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I doubt you would see the difference side by side. Is the Sony Android ? If so that's a big negative compared to the LG OS.
Actually, there is a visible difference, as seen in the video in my link below. Notice the additional shadow detail in the Sony (set on the left). This guy is a professional calibrator, and he does a good job explaining why this is the case, despite the fact that both use the same panel. In fact, my link below takes you directly to the part of his video where he explains this.

https://youtu.be/CI0C8UTCtCg?t=665

Check out the screen comparison at 13:15. He points out how much better the LG is in preserving detail in Affleck's white shirt. That shot is fantastic because it perfectly shows the advantages of both LG and Sony. I don't care about the difference between white and near-white in his shirt, where LG excels. What I do care about is that much of his face is in shadow on the LG, but is totally clear on the Sony.

Another issue is seen at 15:00. I hear that LG has improved upon this problem with firmware updates.

Yeah, the Sony uses Android. That's a huge bummer. But there are tricks to get around the sluggishness.
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i dont like the speaker behind the screen on the sony. i bought a 65 e7 lg oled when it was 2300. amazing tv. so either buy the high end lg e7 or save a few bucks and get a b7 lg. and be careful with greentoe, you might bid and get charged and regret it cause you find a cheaper 1 or you realize returning this giant tv might be a hassle.
just my 2 cents
I was tempted by the E7. I love the picture-on-glass look.

Yeah, buying a TV online is a bit of a risk. Paying to return would be a huge ordeal. And you're right, there's always the chance that I would find one cheaper. I wonder, though: Is that less likely to happen with Sony than with other manufacturers? I see no advertised prices lower than Sony's website, but maybe I don't know where to look. So Greentoe is handy in that they handle reaching out to retailers to get a lower price.

But if I'd gone with the LG, I probably wouldn't have bought from Greentoe. I would have gone with one of the other online retailers that offered price guarantee for some period of time after purchase. That period varies a lot from one retailer to the next. And then there's the matter of which competitors they would price-match.
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I was tempted by the E7. I love the picture-on-glass look.

Yeah, buying a TV online is a bit of a risk. Paying to return would be a huge ordeal. And you're right, there's always the chance that I would find one cheaper. I wonder, though: Is that less likely to happen with Sony than with other manufacturers? I see no advertised prices lower than Sony's website, but maybe I don't know where to look. So Greentoe is handy in that they handle reaching out to retailers to get a lower price.

But if I'd gone with the LG, I probably wouldn't have bought from Greentoe. I would have gone with one of the other online retailers that offered price guarantee for some period of time after purchase. That period varies a lot from one retailer to the next. And then there's the matter of which competitors they would price-match.
eBay - firstclasstvs has it for $2,299.00. free shipping and no tax. i think thats a deal for a person that wants a oled right now.my e7 is in front of my bed so the soundbar was perfect. nice and loud. p.s game wise . i feel no lag. i play call of duty , madden, mlb the show , ufc, and there is no lag.
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eBay - firstclasstvs has it for $2,299.00. free shipping and no tax. i think thats a deal for a person that wants a oled right now.my e7 is in front of my bed so the soundbar was perfect. nice and loud. p.s game wise . i feel no lag. i play call of duty , madden, mlb the show , ufc, and there is no lag.
Yep, if I'd gone LG, that's exactly the deal I would have jumped on.

So, my thinking is, I paid $400 more for the advantages of Sony. Some people wouldn't care at all for the Sony advantages. Heck, some people will actually prefer the LG, regardless of price. But I paid a few hundred more to get what i wanted.
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Actually, there is a visible difference, as seen in the video in my link below. Notice the additional shadow detail in the Sony (set on the left). This guy is a professional calibrator, and he does a good job explaining why this is the case, despite the fact that both use the same panel. In fact, my link below takes you directly to the part of his video where he explains this.

https://youtu.be/CI0C8UTCtCg?t=665

Check out the screen comparison at 13:15. He points out how much better the LG is in preserving detail in Affleck's white shirt. That shot is fantastic because it perfectly shows the advantages of both LG and Sony. I don't care about the difference between white and near-white in his shirt, where LG excels. What I do care about is that much of his face is in shadow on the LG, but is totally clear on the Sony.

Another issue is seen at 15:00. I hear that LG has improved upon this problem with firmware updates.

Yeah, the Sony uses Android. That's a huge bummer. But there are tricks to get around the sluggishness.
Well listen man, its your money. BUT, you ever figure the test that was performed was panel dependent ? Like mayyyybee that LG Sony Panel was a little better than that particular LG panel ? I've seen enough comparisons of these TV's that said they are very, very close.
In light of that, lets say the Sony is a 9.5 on a scale of 1-10 and the LG is a 9.3....
Your going to pay almost DOUBLE for that ?
After PP the LG B series was like 1400. It is CRAZY to pay double for the splitting hair difference your talking about. Unless you just have money to piss away. And if so , you probably wouldn't be on slickdeals.
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Be careful. I've seen the sony have bad burn in at Frys.
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Good price for the set, though I'd suggest most go ahead and save $800 and grab an LG B7A that has the same panel in it...(then get another $500 back from CC PP)

processor is different, but the LG one wins most of the actual "vs" shootouts against the Sony anyway.
Sorry to be a noob but what's cc pp. Is that some time of credit card?
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