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Q-See ( Dahua OEM ) 16 port 4K NVR, 4TB HDD, 12x 4K Bullet Cameras Security System $1799 Costco Online

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12 Outdoor-Rated HD 4K HD Bullet Cameras
16-Channel 4K Recorder (network Video Recorder) w/4TB HDD
12 100' Cat5e Camera Cables
H. 265 Video Encoding & Camera Support
Remote Viewing Available Via Free App

QC826 4TB POE NVR.
QCN8093B 4K CAMERA.


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Thanks Hemi,

Newer kit - with upgraded cameras, specs look really good.

"Color Night Vision" - I am expecting this to have he same imaging chip family as the 2MP Dahua OEM starlights

Only downside I see if a very wide H FOV = shorter ID distance compared to the 88º we have seen on some other 8MP models.

Camera Type . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Bullet Camera
Camera Technology . . . . . . . . . . . IP
Image Sensor Size. . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/2"
Image Sensor Type . . . . . . . . . . . . Progressive CMOS
Megapixels . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8MP
Effective Pixels . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3840 x 2160
Lens Size. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8mm Fixed Lens
Field of View . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . H: 131º, V: 111º
IR Cut Filter . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Yes

8MP (3840 x 2160) - Up to 30FPS [ wow, I would double check this - up to now most 8MP I have read specs on were 15-20 fps ]

IP67 - weather proof
-22º to 140º F

Remember each 8MP Dahua OEM bullet cameras goes for about $150 from Chinese vendors - thus 12x $150 = $1800 just for the cameras. So good deal as is.
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Thanks Hemi,

Newer kit - with upgraded cameras, specs look really good.

"Color Night Vision" - I am expecting this to have he same imaging chip family as the 2MP Dahua OEM starlights

Only downside I see if a very wide H FOV = shorter ID distance compared to the 88º we have seen on some other 8MP models.

Camera Type . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Bullet Camera
Camera Technology . . . . . . . . . . . IP
Image Sensor Size. . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/2"
Image Sensor Type . . . . . . . . . . . . Progressive CMOS
Megapixels . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8MP
Effective Pixels . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3840 x 2160
Lens Size. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8mm Fixed Lens
Field of View . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . H: 131º, V: 111º
IR Cut Filter . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Yes

8MP (3840 x 2160) - Up to 30FPS [ wow, I would double check this - up to now most 8MP I have read specs on were 15-20 fps ]

IP67 - weather proof
-22º to 140º F

Remember each 8MP Dahua OEM bullet cameras goes for about $150 from Chinese vendors - thus 12x $150 = $1800 just for the cameras. So good deal as is.
How are these cameras compared to the Fry's 4K system deal that you had listed last week?
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How are these cameras compared to the Fry's 4K system deal that you had listed last week?
Hi threexx

Close - I think these are slightly newer versions of the Dahua OEM IPC-HFW48xx series. [ update, maybe the IPC-HFW18xx series ]

I would have to check and confirm the following
1) Sensor sizes on the 2 cameras in these 2 kits.
2) fps - need a confirmation that the cameras in this kit can handle 30 fps.

If as the spec sheet suggest up to 30 fps at 8MP - then these have significantly more processing power. ( note, that the IPC-HFW18xx can do more fps, but drops other processing capabilities - only 2 streams vs 3, not as many IVS features available )

IF as I also suspect - someone just cut and pasted "up to 30 fps" up and down the resolution to fps section and this camera can only do 15 fps - then there's less differences in the processing power.


If you're interested you can also look at the Dahua International website and look for an IP camera which appears the same - and check the spec sheet - often this is as close as we can determine ( w/o actually having the camera in hand ) the expected relatedness to the cameras as possible.

Update: Both should be good kits worthy of having.
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these newer cameras don't have SD slot it seems?
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these newer cameras don't have SD slot it seems?
Hi Hemi,

I didn't look close at the specs or pictures for that.

It is possible. ( also possible that someone didn't list it - happened with the Swann Hikvision OEM cameras which swann did not state they have microSD slots - but SD'er who got them confirmed they did! )
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The cameras could be based on the IPC-HFW1831E model
https://www.dahuasecurity.com/pro...l/21517?us

Which has some good features to it, though traditionally the 4xxx series is a higher grade series vs the 1xxx series.

Notice that the specs fo the IPC-HFW1831E only includes 2 video streams - the 48xx model can do 3 streams.

Though the H FOV in the spec sheet of the IPC-HFW1831E does not match the H FOV in the Q-see camera.. so maybe still a different camera. ( H: 111° for the IPC-HFW1831E )

Also note for example the IPC-HFW4831E-SE can do:
IVS: Tripwire, Intrusion, Object Abandoned/Missing ( Q-see renames this as IVA )
Advanced Intelligent Functions: Face Detection
ref: https://www.dahuasecurity.com/pro...tail/14361

vs. the IPC-HFW1831E
IVS: Tripwire, Intrusion

Remember also that if you are using Blue Iris or another VMS it may handle some of the IVS type features in the CPU of the PC instead.
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How are these cameras compared to the Fry's 4K system deal that you had listed last week?
FYI - I've updated my reply.

If you have the Fry's kit - that is still a great kit.

So far the cameras in this new Q-see kit may have trade offs for the more fps it can handle.
( suspect the cameras in the Q-see kit are related to the IPC-HFW18xx model, which is a lesser series than the 4xxx models )
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FYI - I've updated my reply.

If you have the Fry's kit - that is still a great kit.

So far the cameras in this new Q-see kit may have trade offs for the more fps it can handle.
( suspect the cameras in the Q-see kit are related to the IPC-HFW18xx model, which is a lesser series than the 4xxx models )
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Note, the Q-see cameras have

IVA Functions: Abandon, Intrusion, Missing Object,
Tripwire

SO not exactly the same as the IPC-HFW1831E model.

Further reading shows that the IPC-HFW1831E data sheet does not list the sensor - while the other data sheet will list if it is a Starvis sensor family ( the series which is typically used for the Dahua OEM starlight cameras )

Not certain what to make of that, we really won't know until we get some good side by side comparisons from image captures.
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FYI - camera available by itself or as an add-on from Costco

https://www.costco.com/Q-See-4K-U...20276.html
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I have a Qsee system now and I'll tell you to hope you never have ANY issues. Their tech support is non existent and software support is even worse. They could not even tell me how to save a password so I didn't have to type it every time I CLOSED the screen. Yes, closed. no PW to open but one to close. Anyway, after going through every confusing menu I found it under some chinglish menu that made zero sense. I had my DVR go bad in the first week and it took months before I got them to send me an RMA. I would NOT buy anything from these guys.

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I have a Qsee system now and I'll tell you to hope you never have ANY issues. Their tech support is non existent and software support is even worse. They could not even tell me how to save a password so I didn't have to type it every time I CLOSED the screen. Yes, closed. no PW to open but one to close. Anyway, after going through every confusing menu I found it under some chinglish menu that made zero sense. I had my DVR go bad in the first week and it took months before I got them to send me an RMA. I would NOT buy anything from these guys.

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Hi Dave,

Yes, it looks like Q-see from what I can tell is a bit understaffed on the customer support side.

The hardware we've posted here is good - you'll just have to take some DIY learning and check out the notes we've posted here as well as notes and forum discussions at ipcamtalk to get around some of their less than perfect documentation issues.
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First off, I read many of these IP threads and they all have proved insightful- thank you. Secondly, my primary need in an IP camera system for my business is quality day / night live viewing and ease of apps on my partners' android and iOS phones (they are not technical by any measure). Further I would prefer not to run blue iris. I sift through IP camera talk but I find it hard to clearly find the best answer for ease of use through apps. I tried the Amcrest app a couple of years ago and found it responsive but difficult to use. I'm not worried about setting one up but which brand has the simplest app to use? My Amcrest NVR I beleive required use of their proprietary app to access their cameras on the subnet; I assume the same is true with most cameras?
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First off, I read many of these IP threads and they all have proved insightful- thank you. Secondly, my primary need in an IP camera system for my business is quality day / night live viewing and ease of apps on my partners' android and iOS phones (they are not technical by any measure). Further I would prefer not to run blue iris. I sift through IP camera talk but I find it hard to clearly find the best answer for ease of use through apps. I tried the Amcrest app a couple of years ago and found it responsive but difficult to use. I'm not worried about setting one up but which brand has the simplest app to use? My Amcrest NVR I beleive required use of their proprietary app to access their cameras on the subnet; I assume the same is true with most cameras?
Hi Sellers

The Amcrest, Q-see, Lorex mobile apps should all be a modified Dahua OEM app.

The cameras in this kit, or the Lechange one, or the Amcrest 8MP cameras all should do very well in the day, and good at night ( compared to most which are OK at night ).

The 2MP Dahua OEM starlights will be the best at night for the price point most of willing to spend.

If you want, you can add the Dahua OEM starlights to the Lechange, Amcrest, and this Q-see NVR - will take some configuration time.

Getting the better systems configured will take a little bit of DIY IT ( or hire a IT ) work.

You will also want to setup the VPN - again some more DIY IT work.

3rd party apps also work - like Tiny Cam pro - though I hear for live view.

The other option - is a hybrid setup - a good solid IP PoE setup for continuous captures - and a couple of cloud cameras for the most critical views.

There really is no easy to setup and best quality video capture product from what I have been able to tell.
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