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So I have read all kinds of horror store about buying MS Office, Adobe, etc. I am sure that OEM software owners are behind some of these articles. Examples of horror stores include: (i) may be hacked and include trojans, (ii) may be some type of unused enterprised license that could be discontinued at any time. Got it.

However, when you read multiple Ebay buyer positive feedback for the same software you are interested in buying it makes you wonder? Some of these software sales come with EBAY Money Back Guarantee, free returns, etc.

Also, some will automatically say and ASSUME the software is illegal; however, I would argue that if was obviously illegal, EBAY probably would have taken it down due to OEM complaints.

Anyway, was wondering if SD'ers who actually bought software could chip in and discuss their experiences. Would be interested in learning how the buyer screened out sellers and selected sellers. Also, would be interesting to find out if there are other buy/sell platforms other than EBAY that may provide the buyer more confidence.

Bottom line: Would like to hear how you mitigated purchase risk.

No need to post if you don't have experience buying this stuff. Not looking for lectures.

Thanks!

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Depends on what is being sold and for how much and by who. Oversees sellers (esp. ones in Asia or the former Soviet Block) are almost certainty a scam\illegal imo. US seller with a well established, good rep, might be illegal but probably is OK. Like anything else, you have to weigh the risk it is a bootleg license key that might get shut down eventually vs. the savings. All you can do is limit your purchases to reputable, well established sellers based in the US imo. Ebay will shut them down if it happens too often\they get cases on them, but usually the scammers just switch ids.
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Also, some will automatically say and ASSUME the software is illegal; however, I would argue that if was obviously illegal, EBAY probably would have taken it down due to OEM complaints.
They do crack down on it, but it's not possible to see if the key is legit or not without actually buying it. The reason you see great reviews is because the keys work at first and you can't change your feedback a year later when it stops working. If you want to waste your money go ahead.
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Random example:

Abbyy FineReader 10 for $15.99 (not most current version which is ok and probably preferred if in fact it is a multi-use enterprise version which would reduce risk that someone may be assigned this license in the future.)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Abbyy-Fi...SwKytZOECH

Notes:

(1) Seller is Houston, TX based

(2) Seller has established positive trackrecord of 235 with 97% possitive rating.

(3) Seller been arround since August 2015 (would expect fly by night con to have low number of reviews and not be around long. Also, would not expect fly by night con to have many, if any, buys.)

Guarantee: Ebay Money Back Guarantee

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=mammademin&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&key... [ebay.com]

Ratings:
209 ratings as seller
55 ratings as a buyer

Many of these reviews are for these immediate digital downloads. So the fact that Ebay has NOT shut this person down indicates that it may not be illegal.

Also, looking thru the feedback, you can also see that many of the reviews are for the same Abbyy FineReader 10 software.

Please Note: Was looking at another digital software seller (not this guy) and saw 1 feedback that said something about seller helping out buyer after a problem developed 4 months after sale. Wish I had kept link. Not sure how this can happen...but that is another matter.

Conclusion: Wanted to kind of present an example and illustrate the kind of logic and scrutiney I used to limit the risk. Would use similar logic on actual purchase. I realize the only way I can eliminate the risk is not to make the purchase, but it won't work for me in this specific instance. Please feel free to chime in with anything I have missed or share your own experiences. Your assistance will probably help other buyers!

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No expert on this software, but it is 4 versions old and from roughly 2009. What the current value of 9 year old software is is debate-able. I tend to think there is not much of a re-sale value for it so the price is probably in the ball park anyway. Also think the company might not be tracking old stuff like this anyway. For $16, if the guy has a decent rep then you do not have a lot to lose imo. If the software meets your needs and you can live without support obviously then it is not much of a gamble.
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I have purchased a couple copies of Windows and office over the last few years. I mitigated by using my credit card (and thus having the ability to dispute the charges if it didn't activate) and only downloading the software directly from Microsoft.

I don't have any experience with anything else...
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Thanks guys. Your input definitely helps! Been studying this whole question of buying below cost software and mitigating risk some more. In case anyone is interested, here are some more of my observations and preliminary conclusions:

(1) Returns. If seller offers "30 day returns Buyer pays for return shipping " Obviously, this certainly seems like a risk mitigator.

(2) Make sure when searching Ebay for desired software, it is helpful and may mitigate risk to ensure your search includes words like "XYZ Software Full Version". I do not recommend using a version or release number such as 2.1 to get more hits. You certainly do not want to get risk getting stuck with a trial or student version, etc. Additionally, you may also want to specify Windows or Mac to further stratify.

(3) Geographic Circle of Trust (GCOT). One of you guys advised to limit purchases to US based seller location which is what I did in the example above. However, after reviewing some other software packages, I started seeing sellers that were based in based in Canada, England, Australia, Russia, former Eastern Block Countries, China, Misc "Stans", Germany, etc. I found some fairly solid Canadian sellers with strong favorable risk history, sales terms, etc. (similar to abvoe example). Over the years, I have bought numerous Ebay items from our Canadian friends and I decided that I was fairly confident in buying from these sellers if all they had solid history and sales terms. I have bought a few times (not software) over the years from sellers from England and Australia without problem, but I am not sure if I would consider buying below price software from an English or Aussie source?

The reason I would not buy software from Russia, Pakistan, Germany, and China is because I think there would be a high risk of virus, hacks, etc. from those countries even if the seller has good marks in all other areas.

GCOT Tricky Part: So I started reviewing some different software packages and scrutinizing the fine print on areas that may be risk indicators.

(1) Item Location: Some random place in US (xyz city, Mass). Seller location: Sri Lanka...(Location Mismatch) Note: seller had many perfect seller reviews for the exact same item. Also, had signifiant buy history. I think I would probably remove this seller from list and move to the next higher priced seller. (I normally list my software preferences as Buy Now, sorted Price + Shipping: lowest first.)

(2) Item Location: Some random place in US (xyz city, Mass). Seller location: same xyz city, Mass. Concern: Sellers name is Sergey, Mohammed, Dung Chow Ping, Dieter, etc. Not trying to be racist or politically incorrect, but the seller's name indicates that the seller may have some connection to countries that I have predesignated as high risk. Note: Again, prospective seller had many perfect seller reviews of the exact same item I desired to buy. Also, had signifiant buy history. I think I would probably remove this seller from list and move to the next higher priced seller.

Those are the major concerns I have uncovered so far. Again, I am just trying to manage risk. The best way I think I can do that is to simply identify all the risk factors and mitigators before I make the actual purchase.

Thanks again for your help!
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Thanks guys. Your input definitely helps! Been studying this whole question of buying below cost software and mitigating risk some more. In case anyone is interested, here are some more of my observations and preliminary conclusions:

(1) Returns. If seller offers "30 day returns Buyer pays for return shipping " Obviously, this certainly seems like a risk mitigator.

(2) Make sure when searching Ebay for desired software, it is helpful and may mitigate risk to ensure your search includes words like "XYZ Software Full Version". I do not recommend using a version or release number such as 2.1 to get more hits. You certainly do not want to get risk getting stuck with a trial or student version, etc. Additionally, you may also want to specify Windows or Mac to further stratify.

(3) Geographic Circle of Trust (GCOT). One of you guys advised to limit purchases to US based seller location which is what I did in the example above. However, after reviewing some other software packages, I started seeing sellers that were based in based in Canada, England, Australia, Russia, former Eastern Block Countries, China, Misc "Stans", Germany, etc. I found some fairly solid Canadian sellers with strong favorable risk history, sales terms, etc. (similar to abvoe example). Over the years, I have bought numerous Ebay items from our Canadian friends and I decided that I was fairly confident in buying from these sellers if all they had solid history and sales terms. I have bought a few times (not software) over the years from sellers from England and Australia without problem, but I am not sure if I would consider buying below price software from an English or Aussie source?

The reason I would not buy software from Russia, Pakistan, Germany, and China is because I think there would be a high risk of virus, hacks, etc. from those countries even if the seller has good marks in all other areas.

GCOT Tricky Part: So I started reviewing some different software packages and scrutinizing the fine print on areas that may be risk indicators.

(1) Item Location: Some random place in US (xyz city, Mass). Seller location: Sri Lanka...(Location Mismatch) Note: seller had many perfect seller reviews for the exact same item. Also, had signifiant buy history. I think I would probably remove this seller from list and move to the next higher priced seller. (I normally list my software preferences as Buy Now, sorted Price + Shipping: lowest first.)

(2) Item Location: Some random place in US (xyz city, Mass). Seller location: same xyz city, Mass. Concern: Sellers name is Sergey, Mohammed, Dung Chow Ping, Dieter, etc. Not trying to be racist or politically incorrect, but the seller's name indicates that the seller may have some connection to countries that I have predesignated as high risk. Note: Again, prospective seller had many perfect seller reviews of the exact same item I desired to buy. Also, had signifiant buy history. I think I would probably remove this seller from list and move to the next higher priced seller.

Those are the major concerns I have uncovered so far. Again, I am just trying to manage risk. The best way I think I can do that is to simply identify all the risk factors and mitigators before I make the actual purchase.

Thanks again for your help!

Generally, you can probably apply the same rules for most Western European countries, Canadian, Australia, Japan or New Zealand though I would still be ultra careful. That said, I would still avoid generally. As to the listed name and location of the seller, even in the US you need to be aware that some sellers may be acting as drop shippers or distributors for overseas companies (particularly Chinese knock-offs imo).
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Thanks guys. Your input definitely helps! Been studying this whole question of buying below cost software and mitigating risk some more. In case anyone is interested, here are some more of my observations and preliminary conclusions:

(1) Returns. If seller offers "30 day returns Buyer pays for return shipping " Obviously, this certainly seems like a risk mitigator.

(2) Make sure when searching Ebay for desired software, it is helpful and may mitigate risk to ensure your search includes words like "XYZ Software Full Version". I do not recommend using a version or release number such as 2.1 to get more hits. You certainly do not want to get risk getting stuck with a trial or student version, etc. Additionally, you may also want to specify Windows or Mac to further stratify.

(3) Geographic Circle of Trust (GCOT). One of you guys advised to limit purchases to US based seller location which is what I did in the example above. However, after reviewing some other software packages, I started seeing sellers that were based in based in Canada, England, Australia, Russia, former Eastern Block Countries, China, Misc "Stans", Germany, etc. I found some fairly solid Canadian sellers with strong favorable risk history, sales terms, etc. (similar to abvoe example). Over the years, I have bought numerous Ebay items from our Canadian friends and I decided that I was fairly confident in buying from these sellers if all they had solid history and sales terms. I have bought a few times (not software) over the years from sellers from England and Australia without problem, but I am not sure if I would consider buying below price software from an English or Aussie source?

The reason I would not buy software from Russia, Pakistan, Germany, and China is because I think there would be a high risk of virus, hacks, etc. from those countries even if the seller has good marks in all other areas.

GCOT Tricky Part: So I started reviewing some different software packages and scrutinizing the fine print on areas that may be risk indicators.

(1) Item Location: Some random place in US (xyz city, Mass). Seller location: Sri Lanka...(Location Mismatch) Note: seller had many perfect seller reviews for the exact same item. Also, had signifiant buy history. I think I would probably remove this seller from list and move to the next higher priced seller. (I normally list my software preferences as Buy Now, sorted Price + Shipping: lowest first.)

(2) Item Location: Some random place in US (xyz city, Mass). Seller location: same xyz city, Mass. Concern: Sellers name is Sergey, Mohammed, Dung Chow Ping, Dieter, etc. Not trying to be racist or politically incorrect, but the seller's name indicates that the seller may have some connection to countries that I have predesignated as high risk. Note: Again, prospective seller had many perfect seller reviews of the exact same item I desired to buy. Also, had signifiant buy history. I think I would probably remove this seller from list and move to the next higher priced seller.

Those are the major concerns I have uncovered so far. Again, I am just trying to manage risk. The best way I think I can do that is to simply identify all the risk factors and mitigators.
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Generally, you can probably apply the same rules for most Western European countries, Canadian, Australia, Japan or New Zealand though I would still be ultra careful. That said, I would still avoid generally. As to the listed name and location of the seller, even in the US you need to be aware that some sellers may be acting as drop shippers or distributors for overseas companies (particularly Chinese knock-offs imo).
Thanks Yanks. Excellent points! Will factor this info into risk equation.
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After reading Yank's post from above, it got me thinking that my google research was incomplete. For people interested in rolling the dice and continuing on with an EBAY software key buy, please read the following Oldy But Goody on this topic (2009 blog). If you are still interested, consider Googling keywords such as:

Is it safe to buy software on EBay?

http://ask-leo.com/is_it_safe_to_..._ebay.html

For my software purchase, I decided to buy via Amazon Open Box. Slightly more than Ebay but still very cheap.

Also, found out other interesting factoids unbeknown to me, such as software ownership laws are different in US and Europe and probably other countries. Europe allows for and has many "used software sellers". However, if you are in the US, this appears to be a gray area. Software may technically be illegal to use in US; however, when you go thru these European used software brokers the risk of buying hacked software decreases, etc.. Thanks all especially Yanks for assisting me in this search.

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It could also be a valid license from a volume license that was unused (perhaps they purchased 1000 licenses for a price break, but only had 900 PCs.) Or from a company that bought new PCs installed with Windows XXXX but that version has not yet passed IT's muster and therefore it isn't authorized in the corporate environment.

As a former IT person, I have seen stranger things.


Like all things, caveat emptor.
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also, be smart, don't use this sort of license in a commercial environment.
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. .... Concern: Sellers name is Sergey, Mohammed, Dung Chow Ping, Dieter, etc. Not trying to be racist or politically incorrect, but the seller's name indicates that the seller may have some connection to countries that I have predesignated as high risk. ...

Thanks again for your help!
Dung Chow Ping?

Dude, don't kid yourself .... that is racist.
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Dung Chow Ping?

Dude, don't kid yourself .... that is racist.
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Dung Chow Ping?

Dude, don't kid yourself .... that is racist.
Dude, please reread the posts above. It was pointed out to me that I sort of needed to consider the risk (to avoid rip-off) from the former Soviet Union countries due to the high risk of hacks, etc. I ended up expanding geo risk areas where there are known to be a high number of problematic software. Once I did this, I started seeing "naming trends" and geo-location mismatches that indicated there may be some sort of discrepancy. For speed purposes, I used some random names that would be illustrative. Did not mean to be offensive. Was merely trying to share the geo risk considerations that a similar SD buyer may encounter if he/she was going down a similar path!

I appologize germanpope if my comments were offensive.

FYI, just bought and downloaded a Nuance PDF package from Mohammed Sayed (sp?) from peshawar pakistan. The seller had a long extensive ebay sales history (I ended up modifying my geo risk approach for mitigating seller long and high volume historic sales).

Bottom line: Downloaded the package. Scanned with Windows Defender. Then downloaded AVAST free anti-virus and scanned. After both scans showed no infection, I launched the package and it worked flawlessly.

Thanks all!

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