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Biomin C: only bioactive glass toothpaste available in U.S. w/o import as of Oct 1. $11.77

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Amazon Preorder (Avail oct 1): $7.99 + $3.78 s/h also possibly + tax https://www.amazon.com/Dr-Collins...07H944RLG/ Now: Add-on item. In stock 10/12

Direct from Dr. Collins $7.99 + $5.95 s/h: https://drcollins.com/dr-collins-...paste.html

If you'd like to avoid excessive shipping see these locations, but they may not all ever stock Biomin C specifically: https://drcollins.com/where-to-buy/

There's a long history of oddities in the U.S. toothpaste market, with us having less access to things like bioactive glass or cpp-acp or pro-argin than the rest of the world, including well regulated markets like Canada and Europe. The reasons are unclear. You can read a little of the history here: https://medium.com/@ravenstine/th...0c6bef8881 and here: https://ceramics.org/ceramic-tech...45s5-glass

Long story short, until today, to buy biomin (the variant of novamin not owned by GSK) meant shelling out $20 on ebay for the same size tube, sometimes with added shipping, and that comes from some unknown 3rd party flipping it, not a known supermarket or pharmacy and possibly with no assurance of expiration date. Compared to other toothpastes, $8+ is still a horrifying price. But for Americans who have been scrounging for products like these for a decade and importing them from all over the world, it's a bargain. Please consider that when deciding whether to downvote.

For people with perfectly fine dental health and no challenges, nothing to see here, enjoy your $1 toothpaste. But bear in mind that there are millions of people with bigger dental health challenges than the average person and for them, the cost of this compares to the cost and pain of expensive dental drilling and surgery, not to other toothpastes. May also provide better relief from sensitivity than toothpastes which dull nerves rather than patching dentin tubules.

Sadly Biomin F continues to be unavailable in the U.S. I wrote to Dr. Collins, which rebrands and sells Biomin C for the U.S. market, asking them to add that to their offering. If you're interested in even more protection, please consider writing them as well. As far as I can tell [biomin.co.uk], Biomin C is clearly inferior to F and only exists for people who have a problem with Fluoride.
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Last Edited by fortunzfavor September 30, 2018 at 01:33 PM
https://www.biomin.co.uk/science/...s-novaminr

"NovaMin® is now the active ingredient of Sensodyne® Repair and Protect. NovaMin® delivers Calcium and Phosphate to form Hydroxyapatite however it contains no Fluoride in the glass and therefore requires the addition of soluble Fluoride in the formulation process of the toothpaste."

However, Sensodyne with Novamin _does_ contain Fluoride and can be bought on Amazon for $6/tubee vs this for $12/tube,

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...=UTF8&th=1

It ships from the UK and takes about 2-3 weeks to arrive in the US. Using the proper amount of toothpaste, a tube will last about 2 months.
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The link above compares Biomin F to Novamin, not Biomin C which doesn't contain fluoride at all. To request Dr. Collins, the U.S. supplier of Biomin add the superior Biomin F to its offering, click here [drcollins.com] and ask for "Biomin F". Biomin in the link above isn't saying that Novamin toothpastes don't contain Fluoride, but that the fluoride they contain is as a soluble additive whereas Biomin F places the fluoride in the glass, this requires less fluoride in the first place and allows it to remineralize over many hours. I'm less clear on whether a novamin toothpaste even with a soluble fluoride additive can produce acid resistant fluorapatite when the glass dissolves or whether it still produces hydroxyapetite. If it can form fluorapatite, one might be able to get the same benefits from Biomin C by rinsing before brushing with a fluoride mouthwash, which would leave some trace fluoride behind. Obviously one doesn't want to rinse after brushing to give the glass time to dissolve and patch your enamel.

While there are opportunities to import bioglass toothpaste into the U.S. there are trade offs. One never knows quite whom one is importing from when buying from someone off ebay or a marketplace seller on Amazon. Will they send you an unaltered product that is what you ordered? Or might they send you the variant that doesn't even have novamin in it? Are you comfortable getting toothpaste stored in someone's basement? Dentists also increasingly recommend people buy the smallest amount of toothpaste possible since fluoride breaks down with time, so stockpiling multiple tubes reduces effectiveness with shelf life, and you've got weeks of shipping through unknown climates as well. I know of no research on how quickly bioactive glasses break down when stockpiled.

Do whatever makes sense to you, just be aware that there are trade offs to importing Novamin (and others like it) vs. buying Dr. Collins domestically. The point of this post was to introduce a new opportunity, namely, to receive a bioactive glass toothpaste through standard, trustworthy domestic channels. This option hasn't been available to U.S. consumers in many years. Perhaps the most exciting part of this is that Biomin entering the U.S. market might prompt novamin and others to produce U.S. products, increase availability and lower prices, but that will only happen if there's enough demand.

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Long story short, until today, to buy biomin (the variant of novamin not owned by GSK) meant shelling out $20 on ebay for the same size tube, sometimes with added shipping, and that comes from some unknown 3rd party flipping it, not a known supermarket or pharmacy and possibly with no assurance of expiration date. Compared to other toothpastes, $8+ is still a horrifying price. But for Americans who have been scrounging for products like these for a decade and importing them from all over the world, it's a bargain. Please consider that when deciding whether to downvote.
There's more information in the OP relating the value of this.
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Sensodyne repair and replace is Novamin and ~$5.50. Is this better?

Edit: As pointed out in the OP's linked article and others Sensodyne Repair and Replace is different in the US and does not have Novamin.
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Sensodyne repair and replace is Novamin and ~$5.50. Is this better?
Read the ceramics.org article OP linked. Article *says* it's better, but YMMV
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Sensodyne repair and replace is Novamin and ~$5.50. Is this better?
Funny thing, they actually remove the novamin in the US version of that toothpaste
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Funny thing, they actually remove the novamin in the US version of that toothpaste
Probably lobbied by the ADA.
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Biomin and Novamin are two versions of the same thing: bioactive glass. But as the title states and juvenescence helpfully pointed out, bioactive glass toothpaste hasn't been available in the U.S. for many years after GSK acquired Novamin and began removing it from all U.S. toothpaste brands, including their own sensodyne brand.

Colgate had a similar weird thing with their pro-argin sensitive toothpaste, the boxes between international and U.S. looked almost identical, but the U.S. version was a completely run of the mill nerve-dulling toothpaste while the international version had a particular CPP-ACP formulation which closed off the tubules that allowed cold and hot temperatures to reach nerves. Confused a ton of people.

I suspect Biomin F, which still isn't available here, may be superior to any version of Novamin, but Biomin C is the one that will be available in the U.S. starting Oct 1. Hopefully at some point Biomin F will follow.
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So basically, as I understand it....this is toothpaste WITH NOVAMIN? Burt's Bees used to contain that, great stuff...it rebuilds and protects.
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Probably lobbied by the ADA.
Dentist have all become crooks trying to sell you "deep cleaning" to dig into poor healthy gums and make more money.
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Dentist have all become crooks trying to sell you "deep cleaning" to dig into poor healthy gums and make more money.
I wouldn't say all but there are a lot of them like that.
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Can someone simplify what's this toothpaste good for? As someone who just buys the crest whitening toothpaste lol
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So is this good or kt
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Is this marketed to the anti-fluoride crowd or is it for real?
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