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Biomin C: only bioactive glass toothpaste available in U.S. w/o import as of Oct 1. $11.77

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Amazon Preorder (Avail oct 1): $7.99 + $3.78 s/h also possibly + tax https://www.amazon.com/Dr-Collins...07H944RLG/ Now: Add-on item. In stock 10/12

Direct from Dr. Collins $7.99 + $5.95 s/h: https://drcollins.com/dr-collins-...paste.html

If you'd like to avoid excessive shipping see these locations, but they may not all ever stock Biomin C specifically: https://drcollins.com/where-to-buy/

There's a long history of oddities in the U.S. toothpaste market, with us having less access to things like bioactive glass or cpp-acp or pro-argin than the rest of the world, including well regulated markets like Canada and Europe. The reasons are unclear. You can read a little of the history here: https://medium.com/@ravenstine/th...0c6bef8881 and here: https://ceramics.org/ceramic-tech...45s5-glass

Long story short, until today, to buy biomin (the variant of novamin not owned by GSK) meant shelling out $20 on ebay for the same size tube, sometimes with added shipping, and that comes from some unknown 3rd party flipping it, not a known supermarket or pharmacy and possibly with no assurance of expiration date. Compared to other toothpastes, $8+ is still a horrifying price. But for Americans who have been scrounging for products like these for a decade and importing them from all over the world, it's a bargain. Please consider that when deciding whether to downvote.

For people with perfectly fine dental health and no challenges, nothing to see here, enjoy your $1 toothpaste. But bear in mind that there are millions of people with bigger dental health challenges than the average person and for them, the cost of this compares to the cost and pain of expensive dental drilling and surgery, not to other toothpastes. May also provide better relief from sensitivity than toothpastes which dull nerves rather than patching dentin tubules.

Sadly Biomin F continues to be unavailable in the U.S. I wrote to Dr. Collins, which rebrands and sells Biomin C for the U.S. market, asking them to add that to their offering. If you're interested in even more protection, please consider writing them as well. As far as I can tell [biomin.co.uk], Biomin C is clearly inferior to F and only exists for people who have a problem with Fluoride.
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Last Edited by fortunzfavor September 30, 2018 at 01:33 PM
https://www.biomin.co.uk/science/...s-novaminr

"NovaMin® is now the active ingredient of Sensodyne® Repair and Protect. NovaMin® delivers Calcium and Phosphate to form Hydroxyapatite however it contains no Fluoride in the glass and therefore requires the addition of soluble Fluoride in the formulation process of the toothpaste."

However, Sensodyne with Novamin _does_ contain Fluoride and can be bought on Amazon for $6/tubee vs this for $12/tube,

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...=UTF8&th=1

It ships from the UK and takes about 2-3 weeks to arrive in the US. Using the proper amount of toothpaste, a tube will last about 2 months.
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The link above compares Biomin F to Novamin, not Biomin C which doesn't contain fluoride at all. To request Dr. Collins, the U.S. supplier of Biomin add the superior Biomin F to its offering, click here [drcollins.com] and ask for "Biomin F". Biomin in the link above isn't saying that Novamin toothpastes don't contain Fluoride, but that the fluoride they contain is as a soluble additive whereas Biomin F places the fluoride in the glass, this requires less fluoride in the first place and allows it to remineralize over many hours. I'm less clear on whether a novamin toothpaste even with a soluble fluoride additive can produce acid resistant fluorapatite when the glass dissolves or whether it still produces hydroxyapetite. If it can form fluorapatite, one might be able to get the same benefits from Biomin C by rinsing before brushing with a fluoride mouthwash, which would leave some trace fluoride behind. Obviously one doesn't want to rinse after brushing to give the glass time to dissolve and patch your enamel.

While there are opportunities to import bioglass toothpaste into the U.S. there are trade offs. One never knows quite whom one is importing from when buying from someone off ebay or a marketplace seller on Amazon. Will they send you an unaltered product that is what you ordered? Or might they send you the variant that doesn't even have novamin in it? Are you comfortable getting toothpaste stored in someone's basement? Dentists also increasingly recommend people buy the smallest amount of toothpaste possible since fluoride breaks down with time, so stockpiling multiple tubes reduces effectiveness with shelf life, and you've got weeks of shipping through unknown climates as well. I know of no research on how quickly bioactive glasses break down when stockpiled.

Do whatever makes sense to you, just be aware that there are trade offs to importing Novamin (and others like it) vs. buying Dr. Collins domestically. The point of this post was to introduce a new opportunity, namely, to receive a bioactive glass toothpaste through standard, trustworthy domestic channels. This option hasn't been available to U.S. consumers in many years. Perhaps the most exciting part of this is that Biomin entering the U.S. market might prompt novamin and others to produce U.S. products, increase availability and lower prices, but that will only happen if there's enough demand.

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Healthpulze is the Canadian distributor for Biomin and they do offer Biomin F. I ordered this deal today: https://twitter.com/healthpulze/s...5058827267 Which expires Dec 28th and is buy 3 Biomin Fs, get one free for a total of $45 USD, $59.53 CAD, or $11.25 each shipped (4-7 business days which could take 3 weeks in this holiday season). eBay costs $20 each shipped. A single tube from Healthpulze is normally $23.40 shipped. There continues to be no good solution to get Biomin F in the U.S., this was the one I settled on this year.

Biomin F is the version that not only has flouride, but places it in the bioactive glass (unlike novamin where it's a soluble additive, read more in the wiki of this thread) producing a time-release style formulation. Dr. Collins recently added some text to their own site that Biomin F would not be available in the U.S. anytime soon, which at this point, could mean never. See more about how long we've been waiting for toothpaste tech that Europe and Canada have had for many years in the O.P.

Meanwhile if you prefer flouride free, Biomin C is now available with prime shipping at amazon and it's not an addon anymore, so it's cheaper than it was at the time of this posting.

First warning, flouride breaks down over time. Dentists often recommend people buy the smallest possible tube of toothpaste so they're getting a full dosage. It is unclear what if any effect flouride being stored in the bioactive glass vs. as a soluble additive does to its shelf life, might extend it or might reduce it. If you plan to give away the extra tubes to family/friends, not really an issue. If you plan to use them over the course of a year, it's hard to say what dosage will remain effective when you're on your 4th tube.

Second warning, I have no idea if healthpulze will actually ship this to me. People who export on ebay are probably individuals grabbing some off the shelves. This business may have different interests and might cancel the sale. This current era of trade tensions is also an unknown quantity. There could be additional duties before it arrives and it could even be blocked if they're feeling cheeky and up-to-date on FDA toothpaste nonsense.

Hope this helps someone.
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Using Sensodyne R&P w/Novamin. Like it good results.

Want to try Biomin F. But cheapest I've found is ~$28 USD for two 75ml at biomin.com.au.

Anybody have experience with both? If so your personal experiences.
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