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Why such weird resolution? Or is that just mean I'm out the loop?
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Why such weird resolution? Or is that just mean I'm out the loop?
It's not you - it _is_ a weird resolution. That being said, anyone want to draw some comparisons to a comparably outfitted low-end Macbook Pro?
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It's not you - it _is_ a weird resolution. That being said, anyone want to draw some comparisons to a comparably outfitted low-end Macbook Pro?
How could you compare the Surface to a computer without a touch screen?
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Why such weird resolution? Or is that just mean I'm out the loop?
Before the wide-screen products, monitors were more square. For movies - wide-screen is better. For productivity and reading, these old school type ratio is better.
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How could you compare the Surface to a computer without a touch screen?
Pretty easily, I'd say. A touch screen does not dramatically change a laptop's value proposition, unless you are a specialty user. Most people use a laptop as a laptop, not as a pseudo-tablet.

To answer the earlier question, this is going perform very similarly to a non-touch 13" MBP. It will probably have worse battery life, but costs less. It'll come down to which OS you prefer and how budget sensitive you are.
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Pretty easily, I'd say. A touch screen does not dramatically change a laptop's value proposition, unless you are a specialty user. Most people use a laptop as a laptop, not as a pseudo-tablet.

To answer the earlier question, this is going perform very similarly to a non-touch 13" MBP. It will probably have worse battery life, but costs less. It'll come down to which OS you prefer and how budget sensitive you are.
apple's decision to not use touchscreens on their computers will doom them. Jobs ain't coming back to save them either.
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apple's decision to not use touchscreens on their computers will doom them. Jobs ain't coming back to save them either.
That hasn't been my experience. Most of the users I've interacted with use their laptop as a laptop and use their tablet as a tablet. The convergence between the two is not being bridged by laptops that perform as tablets, but as tablets that can handle more computationally tough tasks.

For someone that specifically wants a laptop, the inclusion of touch doesn't seem to be a big selling point. As an example, Microsoft's Surface line has been successful but it is not the best selling laptop, nor is it the best selling tablet.
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Pretty easily, I'd say. A touch screen does not dramatically change a laptop's value proposition, unless you are a specialty user. Most people use a laptop as a laptop, not as a pseudo-tablet.

To answer the earlier question, this is going perform very similarly to a non-touch 13" MBP. It will probably have worse battery life, but costs less. It'll come down to which OS you prefer and how budget sensitive you are.
To be honest I find the SurfaceBook/Surfacebok 2 slightly LESS useful than 2-in-1 Laptop's.

Few reasons:
  • Surfacebook/book2 has NO PORTS on the tablet portion (besides 3.5mm), so your not going to bring that anywhere for productivity without the base
  • The battery in the tablet portion is VERY SMALL. If you are doing anything semi CPU-intensive you will get 30minutes to 1 hour without the keyboard.
  • 2-in-1 laptops are much easier to flip over to draw or fold into tent mode to watch a movie vs having to go through the process of disconnecting the screen on the Surfacebook.

Not that the SurfaceBook is a bad laptop, just some food for though from an owner of one.
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That hasn't been my experience. Most of the users I've interacted with use their laptop as a laptop and use their tablet as a tablet. The convergence between the two is not being bridged by laptops that perform as tablets, but as tablets that can handle more computationally tough tasks.

For someone that specifically wants a laptop, the inclusion of touch doesn't seem to be a big selling point. As an example, Microsoft's Surface line has been successful but it is not the best selling laptop, nor is it the best selling tablet.
That's partly because touch screen experience on most laptops sucks. There wouldn't be so many 2-in-1 laptops if there's no market for touchscreen on a laptop.
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That's partly because touch screen experience on most laptops sucks. There wouldn't be so many 2-in-1 laptops if there's no market for touchscreen on a laptop.
I wonder about this. I think this has more to do with economies of scale than actual demand. It's very difficult to buy non-touchscreen laptops now; only very low end laptops have them (and Apple). As soon as you crest $500 in Windows laptops, they're basically all touchscreen. I think it's one of those features that's expected but not necessarily utilized, and since the digitizer is usually included in the LCD assembly, it's cheaper for companies to just streamline their supply chain and order only touchscreen displays for their higher-end devices.

That being said, I DO think the hinge functionality included in 2-in-1's is very much in demand. People use their computers to consume media more than ever, so the ability to "fold" the laptop to take up less space or otherwise position for easy viewing is a huge boon for almost all buyers. Touchscreens lend themselves well to this specific use case so that would be another reason to include it.
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I wonder about this. I think this has more to do with economies of scale than actual demand. It's very difficult to buy non-touchscreen laptops now; only very low end laptops have them (and Apple). As soon as you crest $500 in Windows laptops, they're basically all touchscreen. I think it's one of those features that's expected but not necessarily utilized, and since the digitizer is usually included in the LCD assembly, it's cheaper for companies to just streamline their supply chain and order only touchscreen displays for their higher-end devices.

That being said, I DO think the hinge functionality included in 2-in-1's is very much in demand. People use their computers to consume media more than ever, so the ability to "fold" the laptop to take up less space or otherwise position for easy viewing is a huge boon for almost all buyers. Touchscreens lend themselves well to this specific use case so that would be another reason to include it.
Agreed. Tent Mode + Netflix/Any Streaming Service makes for a much better experience.

Only laptops over $500 without touch are gaming laptops(1060gtx +), which seem to not include touch unless you're willing to spend $$$.
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It's not you - it _is_ a weird resolution. That being said, anyone want to draw some comparisons to a comparably outfitted low-end Macbook Pro?
Apple fans shouldn't be here. The phone interface on iPhone is great but the interface on their laptops and computers are awful. Impractical. And no, you can't compare PC's to Macs. Mac fans should compare their expensive laptops to the Google Chromebooks.
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