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Ruth Bader Ginsburg

22,491 January 7, 2019 at 08:52 PM
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Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg on Monday will miss oral arguments for the first time as the 85-year-old recovers from surgery to remove cancerous nodules from her left lung.
https://www.breitbart.com/politic...ime-court/

She's never missed an argument in her entire SCOTUS career, which is admirable, but if she's no longer able to execute her duties as a Justice, doesn't she have an obligation to step down? And if she won't, should impeachment be put on the table?

SCOTUS has a very full plate and we need Justices that can keep up the pace. There's too much at stake right now and she has a tremendous number of health issues that she is having to focus on (and rightly so).

EDIT: While I clarified my OP in subsequent posts below, the OP itself is still causing confusion because it's not clear. My apologies for that. Of course she should not be forced to resign for missing one day, or even a few weeks. I'm thinking there needs to be a timeframe though. How about if she misses a full month? Or three? What if it becomes clear she will not be able to return to work but refuses to resign? I don't think, as some have suggested here, this can or should be left with an indefinite timeframe. This is not like a person on maternity leave where someone else can simply cover for them while they are away from the office.

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Scalia passed in Feb. If Ginsberg does pass or retire after the same date, the precedence is set and the appointment should wait until after the 2020 vote.
It's not going to happen. The majority will do whatever it wants. Obama was unlucky in that the Democrats didn't have a majority in the senate. This was politics. Something BOTH sides have done in the past and will continue to do in the future.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politic...ime-court/

She's never missed an argument in her entire SCOTUS career, which is admirable, but if she's no longer able to execute her duties as a Justice, doesn't she have an obligation to step down? And if she won't, should impeachment be put on the table?

SCOTUS has a very full plate and we need Justices that can keep up the pace. There's too much at stake right now and she has a tremendous number of health issues that she is having to focus on (and rightly so).
Why focus on RBG how many other judges have missed oral arguments for other reasons ?
Let's add those number up since you opened the door.
In any case she deserves her recovery time. As long as it takes.
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I never heard that cigarette filters were asbestos. You got any corroboration for that?
Poor you. Santa didn't upgrade you to a system that can run google.

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Poor you. Santa didn't upgrade you to a system that can run google.

Poor you. Went to all that effort to google and ended up posting a pic that doesn't prove your claim.

Which is why I don't google specious claims.
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Poor you. Went to all that effort to google and ended up posting a pic that doesn't prove your claim.

Which is why I don't google specious claims.
My google is working just fine. Can't help your laziness.
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Who in your reality obstructed a supreme court candidate? I have to ask, because in my reality the only supreme court nominee that was "Obstructed" was Garland. On the other side, Roberts went without a hitch, and Brett was rushed through while being accused of sexual misconduct and displays of partisanship.

So let's start with the basics... what year is it?
Try reading again. There's a lot of irony in that you aren't seeing it.
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My google is working just fine. Can't help your laziness.
Fine enough to post a pic which doesn't prove cigarettes had asbestos filters.

About what I expected. vomit
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oh boy. i had a suspicion that you might not know what critical thinking even means and now I am sure.

here, from wiki and others:

Traditionally, critical thinking has been variously defined as follows: "The process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and evaluating information to reach an answer or conclusion" "Disciplined thinking that is clear, rational, open-minded, and informed by evidence"

that is really embarrassing..
Embarrassing for who?

Try reading more into it. It seems like another short sighted remark. Consider that open-mindedness is required. If you are offended by criticism, there's a good chance you aren't being very open-minded. Evaluating multiple views very valuable. Critical Thinking doesn't easily fall into a 2 sentence definition. Look up more definitions than just a 2 liner. What does it take to meet the requirements of all those terms in the 2 liner? Think it through. There are courses that teach critical thinking. If you take a course in critical thinking and you will learn it's much more to it than that definition. There's some old book series called "Taking Sides" that are good for learning to see the pros and cons of multiple arguments. How do you come to a conclusion about which viewpoint is better without giving all viewpoints adequate consideration? It's often about weighing arguments fairly. It's about trying to understand others perspectives. Empathy is a useful tool, and it's empathy for everyone, not just those you side with. Identifying logical fallacies is a useful skill.

Of course, i know you are just trying to attack me again. You can't let go of me calling you out a few years ago go, can you? LOL.

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i have no idea what you are talking about. please refresh my memory.
No need to refresh your memory. You know. We all know.
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Embarrassing for who?

Try reading more into it. It seems like another short sighted remark. Consider that open-mindedness is required. If you are offended by criticism, there's a good chance you aren't being very open-minded. Evaluating multiple views very valuable. Critical Thinking doesn't easily fall into a 2 sentence definition. Look up more definitions than just a 2 liner. What does it take to meet the requirements of all those terms in the 2 liner? Think it through. There are courses that teach critical thinking. If you take a course in critical thinking and you will learn it's much more to it than that definition. There's some old book series called "Taking Sides" that are good for learning to see the pros and cons of multiple arguments. How do you come to a conclusion about which viewpoint is better without giving all viewpoints adequate consideration? It's often about weighing arguments fairly. It's about trying to understand others perspectives. Empathy is a useful tool, and it's empathy for everyone, not just those you side with. Identifying logical fallacies is a useful skill.

Of course, i know you are just trying to attack me again. You can't let go of me calling you out a few years ago go, can you? LOL.


No need to refresh your memory. You know. We all know.
now you are trying to rehabilitate yourself. this what you said which is wrong:

Critical thinking is being critical of thought.


that is a laughably erroneous claim. and i brought a quote that showed you were wrong. you on the other hand just asserted that if i had read more I would have seen you were right. if you want to bring a cite to show you are right, be my guest. as of know it is 1-0.

and regarding your last refusal: you should refrain from making accusations if you are not willing to back it up*. as of now, you have failed to back it up which is consistent with being dishonest.

now see if you can stop this irresponsible behavior.

* see, when i claimed you insulted me in PM, i provided a quote. you on the other hand just provide hot air.
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now you are trying to rehabilitate yourself. this what you said which is wrong:

Critical thinking is being critical of thought.


that is a laughably erroneous claim. and i brought a quote that showed you were wrong. you on the other hand just asserted that if i had read more I would have seen you were right. if you want to bring a cite to show you are right, be my guest. as of know it is 1-0.

and regarding your last refusal: you should refrain from making accusations if you are not willing to back it up*. as of now, you have failed to back it up which is consistent with being dishonest.

now see if you can stop this irresponsible behavior.

* see, when i claimed you insulted me in PM, i provided a quote. you on the other hand just provide hot air.
Oh my god. You really should take this pathetic drivel private. I wont respond to you any further for the near future. It's a waste of everyone's time to have this back and forth.

And no, you haven't shown that I was wrong. It's like you didn't even read what I wrote. Furthermore, I'm not digging up anything for someone as disrespectful as yourself. You have lost that privilege. I gave you enough information that you can use google yourself, if you really want it. But we both know you only want to attack others here that have opinions you disagree with. bye.
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Oh my god. You really should take this pathetic drivel private. I wont respond to you any further for the near future. It's a waste of everyone's time to have this back and forth.

And no, you haven't shown that I was wrong. It's like you didn't even read what I wrote. Furthermore, I'm not digging up anything for someone as disrespectful as yourself. You have lost that privilege. I gave you enough information that you can use google yourself, if you really want it. But we both know you only want to attack others here that have opinions you disagree with. bye.
i cannot google something that does not exist. you made a specific accusation against me. i politely and nicely asked you to refresh my memory. and this is what you said:


No need to refresh your memory. You know. We all know.

my assumption at this point that you lied. (BTW: the "we" part is a big giveaway/tell as far as i am concerned.)
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I disagree. You said so yourself. She's never missed an argument in her entire SCOTUS career. Unfortunately, she's only human. She deserves the time off to recover.
I'm not suggesting we move to impeach her over a few missed days. I'm asking should it become clear this is a longer term issue that keeps her from her duties, and she remains defiant not to resign on her own, would it be right to do then.
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Not at all to wish her an early demise, but it's looking like the odds are increasing that there will be another appointment to be made.

I think she should do what is best for the country and step down.
She's still recovering from 3 broken ribs and now a major lung surgery. I think that would put anyone down for a while, let alone an 85 year old. I guess we can only trust that she is keeping the good of the nation in her mind as she decides how to proceed.
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I'm not sure if she ever had those.
Even tongue in cheek, I've had the same thought. Her mental facilities were seriously called into question when she made the comments she did about Trump the presidential nominee. It was a huge mistake to have injected herself into the political forefront like she did, especially since she might someday have to hear a case that involves him or his policies.
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SCOTUS has run missing a judge before, so this shouldn't be much different. I don't know what they are hearing, but...wouldn't we know if it was something groundbreaking?

I hope things go well for her surgery and recovery.
Indeed I hope her recovery goes well also in spite of how much I vehemently disagree with her so many of her decisions.

I tried to find some stats on how long Justices have been out of commission before, but came up short. The only thing that might be different here is that there is a higher than normal prospect given her age that her recovery takes a long time or even that she doesn't fully recover. Time will tell. I just hope that if it becomes clear that she cannot perform her duties, that she doesn't not step down to deny Trump another appointment. Justices should always be above politics, but she's also made it clear from her past statements that she doesn't subscribe to that policy.
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