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Tudor Men's Heritage Black Bay Black Dial - Blue Bezel - chronometer watch $2395

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Yes, and? Why wouldn't I want to save money when I splurge on luxuries? Doesn't that mean I get more luxuries?

I collect watches. If I paid retail I'd have half as many. Just because I have money to splurge on some "luxuries" doesn't mean I have unlimited money, I still have a budget that limits what I can buy. Saving money is prudent at just about any level of income/wealth.

This is a microcosm of why some lottery winners go broke. They think not being poor means they don't have to pay attention to money or budget, and walk around buying any and everything at full retail. Everyone has to budget, everyone should pay attention to pricing. Maybe there's an exception to being Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos, but even coming into a millions of dollars doesn't mean you should pay retail for everything you want.
I think those of us that are in here who are watch collectors already understand all of this. It's common sense.

What I'm pointing out is that when you look at the broader picture, a watch is simply something that tells time (for probably 90% of the general population). $2400 for something that serves a single mundane purpose isn't a good deal (excluding resale value and appreciation factors). If you walk outside with an A. Lange and you offer it to your average civilian for $2000, they'll tell you to get lost. Collectors, like us, obviously see it differently. We see art and human engineering prowess. We see value in it only because it's our hobby and we are fanatics.
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Dirty. That's one of the reasons I walked away from Rolex. Sold my Explorer and haven't regretted it since. BB58 and Grand Seiko is about all I care about these days (plus GS will ruin you for anyone else except maybe PP, haha).
No lie, a BB58 and a GS snowflake is my current grail list. I tried on the GS snowflake last month and was a little disappointed at how chunky it felt. Granted, my wrist isn't on the larger end of the spectrum, but I felt they could have sized it down for a dress watch. But boy that dial texture and that spring drive mechanism with a truly smooth sweep of the second hand is mesmerizing. I hope they follow in Tudor's path a little bit and offer a smaller case size once they can make the spring drive a little more compact
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I think those of us that are in here who are watch collectors already understand all of this. It's common sense.

What I'm pointing out is that when you look at the broader picture, a watch is simply something that tells time (for probably 90% of the general population). $2400 for something that serves a single mundane purpose isn't a good deal (excluding resale value and appreciation factors). If you walk outside with an A. Lange and you offer it to your average civilian for $2000, they'll tell you to get lost. Collectors, like us, obviously see it differently. We see art and human engineering prowess. We see value in it only because it's our hobby and we are fanatics.
What is your point? My point was in response to someone claiming that if they had $2400 for a watch they "wouldn't be on here". Well, I do have $2400 for a watch, and I'm on here, and I've bought deals that I've found here before. Watch collectors can be slickdealers. You don't even have to be a collector. Someone in the market for a $2400 watch can be on here. It might be his only watch. He saved some money and wants to get the best one he can get. Should he just get a lesser watch that retails for $2400, or get a deal on one that's worth way more?
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No lie, a BB58 and a GS snowflake is my current grail list. I tried on the GS snowflake last month and was a little disappointed at how chunky it felt. Granted, my wrist isn't on the larger end of the spectrum, but I felt they could have sized it down for a dress watch. But boy that dial texture and that spring drive mechanism with a truly smooth sweep of the second hand is mesmerizing. I hope they follow in Tudor's path a little bit and offer a smaller case size once they can make the spring drive a little more compact
I tried on the Snowflake and it didn't do it for me (much to my chagrin). I think, as you pointed out, it's due largely to its dimensions given that it's a dressier piece. Too thick mostly, but also a touch too large (it wears bigger than it is, and imo, would've been perfect at like 38x12). But I loved how lightweight it is! I have an Oceanus in Ti and it's an incredible watch for the value, and the Snowflake reminds me of that in some ways, but of course better.

If Tudor brings out a BB58 sized GMT this year, oh man...they'll have to be careful not to steal too much of big brother's thunder.
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What is your point? My point was in response to someone claiming that if they had $2400 for a watch they "wouldn't be on here". Well, I do have $2400 for a watch, and I'm on here, and I've bought deals that I've found here before. Watch collectors can be slickdealers. You don't even have to be a collector. Someone in the market for a $2400 watch can be on here. It might be his only watch. He saved some money and wants to get the best one he can get. Should he just get a lesser watch that retails for $2400, or get a deal on one that's worth way more?
My point is that you're preaching to the choir. I just wanted to explain why some people think the way that they do at the first page of every high end watch deal. Without fail, there will be posts about "$xxxx for a watch?! Lol" or "but does it measure my heart rate?" in every one of these threads.

I'm certainly not disagreeing with you, and anybody that's still here past the first page of a watch thread are likely here because we're all looking for a deal.
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I tried on the Snowflake and it didn't do it for me (much to my chagrin). I think, as you pointed out, it's due largely to its dimensions given that it's a dressier piece. Too thick mostly, but also a touch too large (it wears bigger than it is, and imo, would've been perfect at like 38x12). But I loved how lightweight it is! I have an Oceanus in Ti and it's an incredible watch for the value, and the Snowflake reminds me of that in some ways, but of course better.

If Tudor brings out a BB58 sized GMT this year, oh man...they'll have to be careful not to steal too much of big brother's thunder.
Oh my goodness the Ti build for the snowflake is to die for. Fit and finish is absolutely stunning and the light weight feel of it all was shocking.

I too would love to see a bb58 GMT. The current BB heritage is far too thick IMO, and to size down the case to below 40mm would be a dream.

On a more noteworthy point, I want to talk about the actual seller of this deal. Jomashop is not a seller I would recommend. Their customer service is far from stellar and their return policy is extremely strict. If you peel off a single protective film ANYWHERE, they'll reject your return. They also failed to send an RMA form to my GF on a purchase that we wanted to return, and then blamed us for it when the return window lapsed. They could not furnish any proof on their end that an RMA was sent on their end (no email trail, no time stamped anything).

Also do read up on other jomashop threads. I haven't had any first hand experience with their warranty services, but I've only heard horror stories from SD. YMMV
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Oh my goodness the Ti build for the snowflake is to die for. Fit and finish is absolutely stunning and the light weight feel of it all was shocking.

I too would love to see a bb58 GMT. The current BB heritage is far too thick IMO, and to size down the case to below 40mm would be a dream.
Agreed.

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On a more noteworthy point, I want to talk about the actual seller of this deal. Jomashop is not a seller I would recommend. Their customer service is far from stellar and their return policy is extremely strict. If you peel off a single protective film ANYWHERE, they'll reject your return. They also failed to send an RMA form to my GF on a purchase that we wanted to return, and then blamed us for it when the return window lapsed. They could not furnish any proof on their end that an RMA was sent on their end (no email trail, no time stamped anything).
Also do read up on other jomashop threads. I haven't had any first hand experience with their warranty services, but I've only heard horror stories from SD. YMMV

Also agreed. Unless it was a sub $300 watch, I wouldn't buy from Joma either. Too risky (and really, too many far better channels).
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If I had 2400 bucks to drop on a watch I wouldn't be on here lol
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Oh my goodness the Ti build for the snowflake is to die for. Fit and finish is absolutely stunning and the light weight feel of it all was shocking.

I too would love to see a bb58 GMT. The current BB heritage is far too thick IMO, and to size down the case to below 40mm would be a dream.

On a more noteworthy point, I want to talk about the actual seller of this deal. Jomashop is not a seller I would recommend. Their customer service is far from stellar and their return policy is extremely strict. If you peel off a single protective film ANYWHERE, they'll reject your return. They also failed to send an RMA form to my GF on a purchase that we wanted to return, and then blamed us for it when the return window lapsed. They could not furnish any proof on their end that an RMA was sent on their end (no email trail, no time stamped anything).

Also do read up on other jomashop threads. I haven't had any first hand experience with their warranty services, but I've only heard horror stories from SD. YMMV
I bought my $6,600 Pam 590 (and many other watches) from jomashop and had nothing but great service. Granted, I never had to deal with the warranty department, but the watch has been perfect and by now would be out of the factory warranty anyway. At least in my case, the factory warranty was not worth the extra $2k plus tax to buy locally. YMMV.
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Yeah... Pretty sure it's an artificial waitlist the way Rolex does it. Intentionally making less pieces than they're capable of, or they're not releasing the pieces to the dealers. Artificial supply shortage to drive up prices and desirability
Jomashop has BB58 but they say delivery in 4-8 weeks [jomashop.com]. Thoughts?
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My point is that you're preaching to the choir. I just wanted to explain why some people think the way that they do at the first page of every high end watch deal. Without fail, there will be posts about "$xxxx for a watch?! Lol" or "but does it measure my heart rate?" in every one of these threads.

I'm certainly not disagreeing with you, and anybody that's still here past the first page of a watch thread are likely here because we're all looking for a deal.
I know why some people do it. It's because they are wrong. And I like to tell wrong people how wrong they are.
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I bought my $6,600 Pam 590 (and many other watches) from jomashop and had nothing but great service. Granted, I never had to deal with the warranty department, but the watch has been perfect and by now would be out of the factory warranty anyway. At least in my case, the factory warranty was not worth the extra $2k plus tax to buy locally. YMMV.
I think that really is the key here. I too have have only had great experiences with Jomashop, but I have been lucky to not have gotten a lemon. From reading about others' experiences, it seems that you're in for trouble if you have to deal with their service department. I basically view it as no warranty rather than grey market. If the price is good enough, I'm still in.
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Jomashop has BB58 but they say delivery in 4-8 weeks [jomashop.com]. Thoughts?
At that price, I wouldn't consider any grey market dealers. To me, grey market dealers are there to give you a better deal in exchange for not having a factory warranty. That is unless I literally can't even get my name on a waitlist at the local AD.
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At that price, I wouldn't consider any grey market dealers. To me, grey market dealers are there to give you a better deal in exchange for not having a factory warranty. That is unless I literally can't even get my name on a waitlist at the local AD.
Ditto. If it were, say, 20%, then it would be a different story. I really am surprised the BB58 demand has continued to be this strong, any artificial supply throttling would obviously help with that, not to mention people frustrated by Rolex, which is pretty much everyone right now. I was hoping for a likely 10% AD discount by mid-2019, but barring something new and shiny to steal away interest, it doesn't seem likely at this rate.
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