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Intel P3600 2.5" 1.2TB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 MLC Solid State Drive (229.99$+tax+FS)

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Newegg Intel SAS Enterprise Server SSD Sale: Spec from Intel.com https://ark.intel.com/products/80...-20nm-MLC-

This intel SSD is much reliable than most of MLC or TLC SSDs in the market.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Pr...gnorebbr=1

Final price: 229.99$ +Tax + FS

I thought this price is better than https://www.mydigitaldiscount.com...1/?cat=637

I bought 1! Hope you guys enjoy! Smilie
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If anyone is wondering:
No, this is not a SATA drive even though the connectors and form factor are similar.
It's in no way, shape, or form, compatible with SATA.
You may find SFF-8639 to SATA cables but that requires the SFF-8639 drive to support the SATA
protocol. The Intel drives do not and you'd be a fool to buy this and use it as a SATA drive.
This normally connects to your motherboard using an SFF-8639 to U.2 cable or a U.2 to M.2 adapter.
Neither accessory is explicitly listed or shown in either listing so budget for that.

An appropriate cable would be: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Pr...-_-Product
For U.2
and if you need to connect to an M.2 drive you will need something like this:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Pr...-_-Product
Note that only supports "M-type" M.2 slots.
Finally there's the option of having an NVMe SFF backplane which obviously would support the drive being plugged in directly but most average-to-advanced Slickdealers won't have that.

Your BIOS will also need to support booting to M.2 over U.2 which only the Z97, some X99 and later have. Many will support booting to M.2 but not M.2 over U.2 and unless it's explicitly listed in your manual then it probably won't work. Most (nearly all) Z97 boards only support 2x PCIe lanes which will limit the speed of this drive to ~2.0GBps instead of ~2.6. I believe the only AMD boards to support this would be the Asus ROG Zenith Extreme and ASRock x399 Professional Gaming which have U.2 and support booting to it. The AMD x399 chipset officially supports up to 2 U.2 connectors but those are the only two I can find to actually implement it on the board. There appears to have been plans for a Gigabyte Aorus board with U.2 but it doesn't seem to be available.

If all of this sounds like mumbo jumbo you don't need this drive. Buy a 1TB M.2 drive which will likely be faster. If you need a drive with extremely high write endurance then by all means this is an excellent investment. The stated write endurance is 6.57 Petabytes (6,570 TBW) which is 4x that of the the 1tb 970 Pro (1200TBW). Note that both are 'warranty' ratings and that the drive itself will last about 2-3x longer but that's how long Intel and Samsung, respectively, will warranty its operation.

With all that being said, this is a very good price for what it is and if you fit within the range of people who could utilize this.
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Wow! Thanks so much for sharing these details! I am using U.2 to M.2 adapter on my ASRock x399 Professional Gaming board! nod

also people could try this https://www.amazon.com/PCI-SFF-86...B01LZEYFD1 or https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-c...8VK58&th=1

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If anyone is wondering:
No, this is not a SATA drive even though the connectors and form factor are similar.
It's in no way, shape, or form, compatible with SATA.
You may find SFF-8639 to SATA cables but that requires the SFF-8639 drive to support the SATA
protocol. The Intel drives do not and you'd be a fool to buy this and use it as a SATA drive.
This normally connects to your motherboard using an SFF-8639 to U.2 cable or a U.2 to M.2 adapter.
Neither accessory is explicitly listed or shown in either listing so budget for that.

An appropriate cable would be: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Pr...-_-Product
For U.2
and if you need to connect to an M.2 drive you will need something like this:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Pr...-_-Product
Note that only supports "M-type" M.2 slots.
Finally there's the option of having an NVMe SFF backplane which obviously would support the drive being plugged in directly but most average-to-advanced Slickdealers won't have that.

Your BIOS will also need to support booting to M.2 over U.2 which only the Z97, some X99 and later have. Many will support booting to M.2 but not M.2 over U.2 and unless it's explicitly listed in your manual then it probably won't work. Most (nearly all) Z97 boards only support 2x PCIe lanes which will limit the speed of this drive to ~2.0GBps instead of ~2.6. I believe the only AMD boards to support this would be the Asus ROG Zenith Extreme and ASRock x399 Professional Gaming which have U.2 and support booting to it. The AMD x399 chipset officially supports up to 2 U.2 connectors but those are the only two I can find to actually implement it on the board. There appears to have been plans for a Gigabyte Aorus board with U.2 but it doesn't seem to be available.

If all of this sounds like mumbo jumbo you don't need this drive. Buy a 1TB M.2 drive which will likely be faster. If you need a drive with extremely high write endurance then by all means this is an excellent investment. The stated write endurance is 6.57 Petabytes (6,570 TBW) which is 4x that of the the 1tb 970 Pro (1200TBW). Note that both are 'warranty' ratings and that the drive itself will last about 2-3x longer but that's how long Intel and Samsung, respectively, will warranty its operation.

With all that being said, this is a very good price for what it is and if you fit within the range of people who could utilize this.
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Not sure the picture is correct beleive this is a pcie and not an SAS drive. Would love it to be as I just ordered the 800gb one from My Digital for $199 and this would be a, much better deal. Can someone confirm if this fits a SAS interface
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Love the Intel MLC drives especially the DC and prosumer ones, too bad this won't work on my current Z87
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Good drive. My work has 4. DC 3500 of them. Around 35TB written to it and its at 95% life left. Also 4.6 years of being on straight. If you need a reliable drive, Intel DC line is it
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Team can someone confirm that this will for a SAS connection. The image says yes but the Intel part number says no as the picture on thier website shows this interface
https://ark.intel.com/products/80...-20nm-MLC-

And here is a pic
https://www.provantage.com/intel-...TEE017.htm

So I am confused
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With all that being said, this is a very good price for what it is and if you fit within the range of people who could utilize this.

Good info, thank you!!!

Another question, this should also work link https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-c...u.2+to+pci if you want to connect directly to PCI express port, right?
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Anybody know if this drive is pcie interface or SAS. Picture shows SAS but item number shows pcie
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Anybody know if this drive is pcie interface or SAS. Picture shows SAS but item number shows pcie
I would assume since its U.2 than its PCIE/NMVe. Havent seen a U.2 drive that was SAS. Sata/SAS use the same protocols and many "SAS" drives just have a Sata connector on it.
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I would assume since its U.2 than its PCIE/NMVe. Havent seen a U.2 drive that was SAS. Sata/SAS use the same protocols and many "SAS" drives just have a Sata connector on it.
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This drive specifically does not support SAS. The SFF-8639 standard does support SAS but this drive does not support that.
Indeed per the technical documents published here ("Datasheet" link on Intel ARK): https://www.intel.com/content/dam...on-004.pdf
under 'Pin and Signal Descriptions' you will find that S1-S7 and S14-S8 (the pins responsible for SATA/SAS/SATAe [SATA Express] on SFF-8639) are not used.

And to answer the questions about the PCIe Cards, yes the CY and Startech cards appear to be an excellent solution. The CY seems to require a SATA power connection as stated:
"The SATA 22pin on the card only for the power, no data transfer."
Personally I'd boot without connecting it to see if it shows up before connecting it (to prevent a possible engineer/marketing miscommunication and subsequent over-voltage) but that's just me.
Using this method, in general you should be able to boot to this drive connected through a PCIe card as long as your board supports NVMe and PCIe Boot options (most boards that support NVMe support boot to PCIe but not all).

Also, there appears to be several X370 motherboards with U.2 connectors which will support booting. I was focused on Threadripper and forgot about regular Ryzen. I'm not able to find any X470 that have a U.2 port.

Finally, regarding Z97, many boards only support x2 but also PCIe 2.0 x2 which is 10Gbps but due to some inefficiencies in how it's handled will result in ~700MBps real-world use due to DMI 2.0. In this case it wouldn't make much sense to use M.2 or U.2 at all. Exceptions include ASRock 'Ultra M.2' boards which support 3.0 x4 and some that are 3.0 x2.
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And to answer the questions about the PCIe Cards, yes the CY and Startech cards appear to be an excellent solution. The CY seems to require a SATA power connection as stated:
"The SATA 22pin on the card only for the power, no data transfer."
I've ordered the CY card (and this P3600; thanks OP, reps4u). But I don't think it requires the SATA power. My guess is that it is available to supplement the PCIe power, in the case where other PCIe cards (primarily graphics) are sucking up (all/most of) the wattage. Over-engineered AND half the price. Note how hype-free the CY product listing is; even comes right out and states "2.The speed and other properties is not changed,only form conversion interface. " Also, the pictures show both sides of the board, fully disclosing that this function is not worth $30-40 (Ableconn, StarTech, etc.)
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Personally I'd boot without connecting it to see if it shows up before connecting it (to prevent a possible engineer/marketing miscommunication and subsequent over-voltage) but that's just me.
Agreed. But for different reason: Keep It Simple S.. (It wouldn't be over-voltage; it would just be excess current [which is a non-event])

[Disclaimer: I studied EE 50 years ago, but software's always earned the bread.]

Regards booting, I'm planning/hoping to use this in a Dell T20. It almost certainly won't boot from this, but .... as Jagger/Richards wrote: "You can't always get what you want, But if you try sometime, You might find, You get what you need." I.e., bootloader(s). [We'll see ...]

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If you have motherboard with intel Z170 or higher chipset, most probably you would have M.2 port that supports PCIe 3.0 x4. In that case you can buy this intel ( https://click.intel.com/u-2-to-m-...rives.html ) cable (Model #: J15713-001) directly from intel in around $20.

If you have U.2 port on the motherboard you can get this cable (Model #: H73691-001) ( https://click.intel.com/sff-pcle-ssd-cable.html ) even cheaper to use with this SSD.
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I got the SSD (U.2 unit) and ordered CY card. It works perfect after my friend helped with modify BIOS with NVMe and PCIe Boot options on my X99.

EFI NVME BIOS with NVMeExpressDxE.ffs
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