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Now that Donald Trump has criticized the "new calls to adopt socialism in this country," Democrats and the media are already protesting that the socialist label doesn't apply to them. But what are they afraid of—the label or their own ideas? The biggest political story of 2019 is that Democrats are embracing policies that include government control of ever-larger chunks of the private American economy.

Merriam-Webster defines socialism as "any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods."
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Medicare for All. Bernie Sanders' plan, which has been endorsed by 16 other Senators, would replace all private health insurance in the U.S. with a federally administered single-payer health-care program. Government would decide what care to deliver, which drugs to pay for, and how much to pay doctors and hospitals. Private insurance would be banned.

As Senator Kamala Harris put it recently on CNN, "the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care, and you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval, going through the paperwork, all of the delay that may require. Who of us has not had that situation, where you've got to wait for approval, and the doctor says, well, I don't know if your insurance company is going to cover this? Let's eliminate all of that. Let's move on."

If replacing private insurance with government control isn't socialism, what is?
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The Green New Deal. This idea, endorsed by 40 House Democrats and several Democratic presidential candidates, would require that the U.S. be carbon neutral within 10 years. Non-carbon sources provide only 11% of U.S. energy today, so this would mean a complete remake of American electric power, transportation and manufacturing.

Oh, and as imagined by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, all of this would be planned by a Select Committee For a Green New Deal. Soviet five-year plans were more modest.

A guaranteed government job for all
. To assist in this 10-year transformation of society, the Green New Deal's authors would "provide all members of our society, across all regions and all communities, the opportunity, training and education to be a full and equal participant in the transition, including through a job guarantee program to assure a living wage job to every person who wants one."

A new system for corporate control
. Senator Elizabeth Warren wants a new federal charter for businesses with more than $1 billion in annual revenue that would make companies answer to more than shareholders. Employees would elect 40% of directors, who would be obliged to consider "benefits" beyond returns to the owners. This radical redesign of corporate governance would give politicians and their interest groups new influence over private business decisions and assets.

Vastly higher taxes.
These ideas would require much more government revenue, and Democrats are eagerly proposing ways to raise it. Mr. Sanders wants to raise the top death tax rate to 77%. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez wants a new 70% tax rate on high incomes, which is supported by the Democratic intelligentsia. The House Ways and Means Committee is working on a plan to raise the payroll tax to 14.8% from 12.4% on incomes above $400,000.

Never to be outdone on the left, Ms. Warren wants a new 2% "wealth tax" on assets above $50 million and 3% above $1 billion, including assets held abroad. France recently junked its wealth tax because it was so counterproductive, and such a tax has never been levied in America. This is government confiscation merely because someone has earned or saved more money than someone else. Socialism?
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These are merely the most prominent proposals. There are many others, such as Ms. Warren's plan to set up a government-owned generic drug maker that would inevitably put private companies out of business because its cost of capital would be zero.
Does the above fit the definition of "collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods"?

Who's afraid of Socialism?

We all should be, for the sake of America.

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sigh, nothing more than fear mongering. nothing you pointed out actually equates to pure socialism...nothing more than silly exaggeration. you can't actually find an advanced economy that isn't a mix of capitalist and "socialist" programs.

has trickled down economics worked? statistics and facts would show no it doesn't. bring back the 1950-70s when top tax rate was never below 70%. maybe you're doing ok, but majority of the middle class is stagnant while the rich keep getting richer. trump tax cuts just redistributed upwards so how's that for a "socialist" problem?

whats your answer for the insurance/medical problem in this country? why shouldn't everyone have access to quality care. we spend 10% more than any other country on health care than similar countries while our life expectancy is lower. you know your insurance cares 0 about you and more about its share price and profits right? so in your mind only wealthy and people that can afford it should get the best care while other's suffer?

the great republican "family values" at work, don't like that idea? guess what we'll just call it "socialism" fark everyone else only the rich survive, for the sake of America...
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Does the above fit the definition of "collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods"?

Who's afraid of Socialism?

We all should be, for the sake of America.
The best example is the PNW hydro plants being owned and operated by the government. Do you agree? What should we do about this actual Socialism in the PNW?
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Who's afraid of Socialism?

We all should be, for the sake of America.
If you're afraid of Socialism, you damn well better make Capitalism work for ALL the people instead continuing to let it funnel more and more wealth to the few.

Busting unions and allowing unlimited political bribes contributions will bring on what you fear.
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If you're afraid of Socialism, you damn well better make Capitalism work for ALL the people instead continuing to let it funnel more and more wealth to the few.

Busting unions and allowing unlimited political bribes contributions will bring on what you fear.
no economic system works for ALL people. Socialism has never worked for all people, why should you expect any other economic system work for all people.
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If you're afraid of Socialism, you damn well better make Capitalism work for ALL the people instead continuing to let it funnel more and more wealth to the few.
All systems have winners and losers. The best we can do is pick the system that creates the most winners and so far that is capitalism. And amusingly if your measure is income inequality the Scandinavian countries with some of the most generous social benefits like Norway, Sweden, and Denmark have worse income inequality than the UK or Australia. Funny thing about that is they speculate generous benefits make income inequality worse because people you give everything to have little incentive to save and accumulate wealth.

https://www.businessinsider.com/w...pe-2014-10
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The best example is the PNW hydro plants being owned and operated by the government. Do you agree? What should we do about this actual Socialism in the PNW?

all government provided services like fire department and police are a form of socialism. so are you saying because of those examples socialism is OK?
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If you're afraid of Socialism, you damn well better make Capitalism work for ALL the people instead continuing to let it funnel more and more wealth to the few.

Busting unions and allowing unlimited political bribes contributions will bring on what you fear.
It's funny you think Capitalism owes anyone anything. It's what each person makes of it. There's unlimited potential for *EVERYONE*. That's the beauty of it ted. Work hard, get rewarded.

The people capitalism doesn't work for are the lazy moochers in society. Can you cry me another river for them? Comfort
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all government provided services like fire department and police are a form of socialism. so are you saying because of those examples socialism is OK?
I didn't say anything about your strawman. I am talking very specifically about the government owning the means of hydro power production in the PNW i.e. actual socialism. I have asked the OP what we should do about it.
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It's funny you think Capitalism owes anyone anything. It's what each person makes of it. There's unlimited potential for *EVERYONE*. That's the beauty of it ted. Work hard, get rewarded.
The free market doesn't owe you a beneficial outcome or any reward blueknob. Comfort
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I didn't say anything about your strawman. I am talking very specifically about the government owning the means of hydro power production in the PNW i.e. actual socialism. I have asked the OP what we should do about it.


I'm really trying to understand the point you are trying to make with your comment regarding the PNW power companies.


You can't be indifferent as you are trying to imply that there are socialism based utilities. What exactly are you trying to understand?
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no economic system works for ALL people. Socialism has never worked for all people, why should you expect any other economic system work for all people.
exactly for who does socialism not work? the wealthy?

(btw: not that you have already expressed other wise, "ALL" in this context does not mean literally all, but a huge majority of people, or more reasonably, work for more people than other systems.)
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