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Canon EOS RP Mirrorless Camera, Body only with EF-EOS R Adapter & EG-E1 Grip - Greentoe $1199

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Offered $1100, countered with $1199. This is about $100 off from what the other retailers are selling it for. Free EOS Mount adaptor and Grip included. No tax in most states, Free shipping, and from a US Authorized Canon dealer, so full warranty

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it comes with SD card?
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For me its all about the lens system. Canon RF lens system is performing better than its EF range. Bottom line - you can put awesome lens to a mediocre camera and get better result than vice versa.
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Where do you see this is an authorized retailer? http://downloads.canon.com/dealer...-28-19.pdf
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Ppl who research about cameras will know that Sony's FF mirrorless is currently better than Canon's (all others actually). So, putting aside that discussion, I would recommend for those who want to stay with Canon to get the EOS R or even the 6DMII instead (if you can find a good deal on it). Because, the RP is basically a mirrorless 6DMII. You can get the 6DMII now for a very good price with freebies thrown in too.

I have the 6DMII and am looking to eventually upgrade to the EOS R. I'm just waiting for a price drop. The PQ on the 6DMII is very good compared to my previous APS-C cameras. However, I'm not thrilled with the dynamic range on this camera. I would love to switch over to the A7III but I don't want to start over with my lenses.
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it will once the a7iv is out.
Maybe not, Sony likes to keep previous models around at a fixed price. I wouldn't be shocked if we see something like A7III @ $1499 once A7IV gets released. Same as A7RII and A7RIII or RX100 MKV and IV etc.
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Where do you see this is an authorized retailer? http://downloads.canon.com/dealer...-28-19.pdf
Greentoe doesn't provide the names of the retailers they work with. It's a reverse auction, you name your price and a list of authorized retailers will see your offer. They can choose to accept, ignore, or counter-offer at a higher price.

The retailers are all guaranteed to be authorized sending brand new product with a 30 day return policy (double check the return policy).

I've used Greentoe many times without issue.
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For me its all about the lens system. Canon RF lens system is performing better than its EF range. Bottom line - you can put awesome lens to a mediocre camera and get better result than vice versa.
Very few people is going to buy $1100 camera to put $3000 lens 28-70 F2 or $2300 50 1.2

Lenses from all manufacturers are so so good nowadays. It's mostly pixel peeping if anyone notice. I can show you images from $1200 Sigma lenses that kick the ass out out of $2300 or $3000 lenses.

More than ever, it's about lighting, post-processing, posing, composition more so buying expensive lenses.
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Canon is releasing another slew of mirrorless later this year per some articles on the net. I was looking into switching over to Sony a year ago from Canon due to Sony's incredible image processor, but I didn't want to deal with selling everything and starting by scratch. Thank goodness Canon got into mirrorless, but at this price it's a little too hot for me to get involved, especially with "new" tech.
Nope. They aren't. Canon Rumors saying no FF mirrorless releasing this year. Their previous rumor was a high MPx 60 mpx+ was suppose to release late this year but it's probably going to release 2020.
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Ppl who research about cameras will know that Sony's FF mirrorless is currently better than Canon's (all others actually). So, putting aside that discussion, I would recommend for those who want to stay with Canon to get the EOS R or even the 6DMII instead (if you can find a good deal on it). Because, the RP is basically a mirrorless 6DMII. You can get the 6DMII now for a very good price with freebies thrown in too.

I have the 6DMII and am looking to eventually upgrade to the EOS R. I'm just waiting for a price drop. The PQ on the 6DMII is very good compared to my previous APS-C cameras. However, I'm not thrilled with the dynamic range on this camera. I would love to switch over to the A7III but I don't want to start over with my lenses.
Better is very subjective. It depends on what you prioritize.
Sony A7III has poor ergonomic and weather sealing
Poor EVF 2.76 million dot vs 5.76 million S1
No fully touch screen LCD 922k-dot LCD vs 2.1 million dot Z6, Z7, EOS R, S1.
So so IBIS

They do have great eyeAF, good ISO and DR, dual card slot for $2000 ($1800 Greentoe).

Panasonic S1 is a $2500 that beat Sony A9 in the following area
Better EVF (5.76 million dot EVF vs 3.6 million dot)
Fully touch screen LCD
Better IBIS (dual IS with 6 stop stabilization)
4K 60p. 10 bit Vlog coming later via paid upgrade
Better ergonomic and weather sealing.
1/320 flash sync speed.

Sony A9 does better with 20 FPS, AF-C tracking, etc. I don't shoot sport so I prefer Panasonic S1 more and save the money for the lenses.
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Very few people is going to buy $1100 camera to put $3000 lens 28-70 F2 or $2300 50 1.2

Lenses from all manufacturers are so so good nowadays. It's mostly pixel peeping if anyone notice. I can show you images from $1200 Sigma lenses that kick the ass out out of $2300 or $3000 lenses.

More than ever, it's about lighting, post-processing, posing, composition more so buying expensive lenses.
While lighting, post-processing and composition did play role in the end result but that did not impact the native quality of the picture i.e sharpness, bokeh etc. I have 80D and technically speaking the results of canon 50mm f1.2 were outstanding straight out of camera pixel peeping or not. My argument was not about how popular the camera going to be or how many people will actually put expensive lens in an in expensive body, it was more about the fundamental of quality of glass outweighing the technology in the camera.
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While lighting, post-processing and composition did play role in the end result but that did not impact the native quality of the picture i.e sharpness, bokeh etc. I have 80D and technically speaking the results of canon 50mm f1.2 were outstanding straight out of camera pixel peeping or not. My argument was not about how popular the camera going to be or how many people will actually put expensive lens in an in expensive body, it was more about the fundamental of quality of glass outweighing the technology in the camera.
Glass from any manufacture is going to be good regardless if it's from Canon RF, Sony GM or Sigma. Those SOOC file from those 135 1.8 Art or 135 GM is going to be good too.

I don't see how Canon RF is much of an advantage while being more expensive. It's a diminishing return especially other manufacturers are more affordable.
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Glass from any manufacture is going to be good regardless if it's from Canon RF, Sony GM or Sigma. Those SOOC file from those 135 1.8 Art or 135 GM is going to be good too.

I don't see how Canon RF is much of an advantage while being more expensive. It's a diminishing return especially other manufacturers are more affordable.
You are looking at short term. It's pretty clear what canon roadmap is. They are doing what they are best at, building a solid lens echo system. In 2 years you will have lineup of canon mirrorless camera similarly to Sony and Nikon but unlike them they will also have lineup of best and wide variety mirrorless lens to choose from. Canon EOS RP is a mere experiment. In the end quality of glass and options to choose from will attract and retain more professional and amateur photographers. Like you said Sigma and other will always be there to provide compition and I like where they are going but without a full echosytem (Camera body and lens) its hard to compete with Canon.
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Better is very subjective. It depends on what you prioritize.
Sony A7III has poor ergonomic and weather sealing
Poor EVF 2.76 million dot vs 5.76 million S1
No fully touch screen LCD 922k-dot LCD vs 2.1 million dot Z6, Z7, EOS R, S1.
So so IBIS

They do have great eyeAF, good ISO and DR, dual card slot for $2000 ($1800 Greentoe).

Panasonic S1 is a $2500 that beat Sony A9 in the following area
Better EVF (5.76 million dot EVF vs 3.6 million dot)
Fully touch screen LCD
Better IBIS (dual IS with 6 stop stabilization)
4K 60p. 10 bit Vlog coming later via paid upgrade
Better ergonomic and weather sealing.
1/320 flash sync speed.

Sony A9 does better with 20 FPS, AF-C tracking, etc. I don't shoot sport so I prefer Panasonic S1 more and save the money for the lenses.
Of course, any review for anything is subjective. But, I think the consensus in the photography community is that the Sony A7III is better than the Canon EOS R and definitely better than the RP. Of course, Canon "color science" and ergonomics are usually better. However, as far as the sensor performance, IBIS, and face/eye detectionAF, the A7III is better.
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You are looking at short term. It's pretty clear what canon roadmap is. They are doing what they are best at, building a solid lens echo system. In 2 years you will have lineup of canon mirrorless camera similarly to Sony and Nikon but unlike them they will also have lineup of best and wide variety mirrorless lens to choose from. Canon EOS RP is a mere experiment. In the end quality of glass and options to choose from will attract and retain more professional and amateur photographers. Like you said Sigma and other will always be there to provide compition and I like where they are going but without a full echosytem (Camera body and lens) its hard to compete with Canon.
I'm not looking it short term. I've been with Canon for 10 years. Canon will always one step behind and still gain market. They will always dangle a carrot in front of you so you can buy the next thing. Despite being complacent the last couple years, they still #1 camera maker in term of sale volume.

Canon will eventually has eyeAF, IBIS, dual card slot, 4K, etc, but everyone else already has those features. Canon is the LAST to have IBIS. The competition will already move on to the next best thing when Canon finally caught on. It could be global shutter or revolutionary sensor. Every other manufacture has a road map too with complete ecosystem (Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). I would say Sony and Panasonic (trinity lenses this year along with Sigma L mount lenses) is posed to have alot of lenses too.

EOS RP and EOS R isn't an experiment. They make M5, M50 for years. They recycle sensor from 6D II and 5D IV and give it enough feature but not too much to take sales away from DSLR lines. They purposely omit dual card slot. If they offer some new features, then it would be call an experiment. Their marketing team knew exactly what they are doing.
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Fully vested in Canon, considered the switch but for ergonomics,weather resistance and having Canon 10 miles away with 1 day repair turn around, walk in support office just for CPS, free cleanings (with membership) is unbeatable. I have been waiting on the mirror less but will probably jump on this.
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