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It's not just bass response, the compression driver equipped 580 2-ways have larger, denser cabinets and a completely different crossover design and sound than the 3-way Studio 2's and their 1" titanium tweeter/waveguide and 4" midrange covering the top end. The 580's were notably more detailed and did not "compress" like the 270's as I pushed volume to reference levels. The dialogue with the 270s was notably flatter, I found the vocal response less natural and more "paper cupped" coming from the 3-way 270's. Every instrument I listened to via either known FLAC encoded music or the 'Star is Born" UHD Atmos mix was more realistic and detailed both in my opinion and my wife and kids who are all musicians or singers. I've compared speakers from JBL's original L-Studio series (l890, LC2, L820), the Studio 270's and the Studio 580's, and I'd rank them in this order: S580 > L890 > L820/LC2 > S270. The Studio 270 is also, as new, the cheapest option on the list so I'm not suggesting it's bad... but if you have the money I'd consider the upgrade to the 580's easily worth the added cost if you have an otherwise well designed system and well treated room you are looking to upgrade. They have legs and will run if you ask them to.

For comparison, I ran 3 of the 270's against 3 of the 580's, the LC2 + L890's and the LC2 + L820's in the same system utilizing the same pair of dual channel 500 watt QSC digital cinema series amps, and the same Denon preamp & source.
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Good deal on the 270 tower. I bought a pair a week or so ago direct from JBL when they had them for the same price, but no gift card thrown in. They are very capable 3 way towers.
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Good deal on the 270 tower. I bought a pair a week or so ago direct from JBL when they had them for the same price, but no gift card thrown in. They are very capable 3 way towers.
They are a good speaker for the money, and until I auditioned a set of 3 x 580's against 3 x 270's I was completely satisfied. I was so blown away by the difference I'm sending mine back and keeping the 5-series, they are that good.
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They are a good speaker for the money, and until I auditioned a set of 3 x 580's against 3 x 270's I was completely satisfied. I was so blown away by the difference I'm sending mine back and keeping the 5-series, they are that good.
Assuming the bass is better because two woofers that are SFG, but I really want to know the difference you get above 1k with that horn? What do you like?
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Assuming the bass is better because two woofers that are SFG, but I really want to know the difference you get above 1k with that horn? What do you like?
It's not just bass response, the compression driver equipped 580 2-ways have larger, denser cabinets and a completely different crossover design and sound than the 3-way Studio 2's and their 1" titanium tweeter/waveguide and 4" midrange covering the top end. The 580's were notably more detailed and did not "compress" like the 270's as I pushed volume to reference levels. The dialogue with the 270s was notably flatter, I found the vocal response less natural and more "paper cupped" coming from the 3-way 270's. Every instrument I listened to via either known FLAC encoded music or the 'Star is Born" UHD Atmos mix was more realistic and detailed both in my opinion and my wife and kids who are all musicians or singers. I've compared speakers from JBL's original L-Studio series (l890, LC2, L820), the Studio 270's and the Studio 580's, and I'd rank them in this order: S580 > L890 > L820/LC2 > S270. The Studio 270 is also, as new, the cheapest option on the list so I'm not suggesting it's bad... but if you have the money I'd consider the upgrade to the 580's easily worth the added cost if you have an otherwise well designed system and well treated room you are looking to upgrade. They have legs and will run if you ask them to.

For comparison, I ran 3 of the 270's against 3 of the 580's, the LC2 + L890's and the LC2 + L820's in the same system utilizing the same pair of dual channel 500 watt QSC digital cinema series amps, and the same Denon preamp & source.
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It's not just bass response, the compression driver equipped 580 2-ways have larger, denser cabinets and a completely different crossover design and sound than the 3-way Studio 2's and their 1" titanium tweeter/waveguide and 4" midrange covering the top end. The 580's were notably more detailed and did not "compress" like the 270's as I pushed volume to reference levels. The dialogue with the 270s was notably flatter, I found the vocal response less natural and more "paper cupped" coming from the 3-way 270's. Every instrument I listened to via either known FLAC encoded music or the 'Star is Born" UHD Atmos mix was more realistic and detailed both in my opinion and my wife and kids who are all musicians or singers. I've compared speakers from JBL's original L-Studio series (l890, LC2, L820), the Studio 270's and the Studio 580's, and I'd rank them in this order: S580 > L890 > L820/LC2 > S270. The Studio 270 is also, as new, the cheapest option on the list so I'm not suggesting it's bad... but if you have the money I'd consider the upgrade to the 580's easily worth the added cost if you have an otherwise well designed system and well treated room you are looking to upgrade. They have legs and will run if you ask them to.

For comparison, I ran 3 of the 270's against 3 of the 580's, the LC2 + L890's and the LC2 + L820's in the same system utilizing the same pair of dual channel 500 watt QSC digital cinema series amps, and the same Denon preamp & source.
Very interesting to learn. Really appreciate the time you took to lay this out in a way easy to comprehend.
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For comparison, I ran 3 of the 270's against 3 of the 580's, the LC2 + L890's and the LC2 + L820's in the same system utilizing the same pair of dual channel 500 watt QSC digital cinema series amps, and the same Denon preamp & source.
Just curious to what set up did you do with three speakers, Currently I have 2 Pioneer SP-FS52 for stereo listening. How would a third one fit in this system?
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They are a good speaker for the money, and until I auditioned a set of 3 x 580's against 3 x 270's I was completely satisfied. I was so blown away by the difference I'm sending mine back and keeping the 5-series, they are that good.
To be fair, the Studio 270's are on sale for $260/pair and the Studio 580's are $700/pair when on sale. For $440 more per pair, the 580 had better be a noticeably better speaker. The 580 is also a lower impedance speaker and thus needs more power to really shine. The 270 is easily driven with just a mid level receiver.
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Just curious to what set up did you do with three speakers, Currently I have 2 Pioneer SP-FS52 for stereo listening. How would a third one fit in this system?
I use 3 identical speakers across my front soundstage and love it (I HATE mixing dinky center channels with full size L/R mains,though 98% of my listening is dedicated to movies vs music), but with floor standing speakers much more than 42" tall it puts a flat panel display above at an uncomfortable viewing height. The Pioneers are fairly short @ 36" so you should have no issues.


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To be fair, the Studio 270's are on sale for $260/pair and the Studio 580's are $700/pair when on sale. For $440 more per pair, the 580 had better be a noticeably better speaker. The 580 is also a lower impedance speaker and thus needs more power to really shine. The 270 is easily driven with just a mid level receiver.
I believe I made that point in my earlier post, indicating the 270 is the cheapest of the speakers I evaluated. To be specific, the difference was $389 vs $1084 delivered for a set of 3 speakers from each design. This isn't a small difference in price, and I still think the 270 is a better value... but the 580 is a significantly better sounding speaker, and well worth the higher price if you can appreciate and afford it. To my ears it's worth the money, but once I choose a set of speakers I tend to stick with them for a long time (my now retired LC2/L820's are pushing 13-14 years old) so the lifetime cost of the speakers vs other components is pretty low. I also have a larger listening space, the 270's might do better in a smaller room.

Technically the "plate" impedance of a speaker is misleading, as it is highly dynamic value depending on the frequency being produced. Andrew Jones did a Youtube video on the subject, the basic summation of which is.. don't worry about the difference between 6 or 8 ohm rated speakers. https://youtu.be/DNfpYncOQRc

If your receiver can't handle "6-ohm" speakers you are upgrading in the wrong order. Any modern Denon receiver, for example, is rated to support 6 ohm speakers, and will deliver MORE power per channel to the lower impedance speaker. Most are fine with anything from 4-16 ohms. The 580's are actually more efficient than the 270's, 90dB sensitivity vs 88 dB, and your average receiver power amp will deliver MORE power to a 6 ohm vs 8 ohm rated speaker... so the 580's would be a better pairing with a less capable amplifier section in a budget receiver than the 270.
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To be fair, the Studio 270's are on sale for $260/pair and the Studio 580's are $700/pair when on sale. For $440 more per pair, the 580 had better be a noticeably better speaker. The 580 is also a lower impedance speaker and thus needs more power to really shine. The 270 is easily driven with just a mid level receiver.
But, the 270 have lower sensitivity@rated and slightly higher than suggested by it's 8ohm spec VS the 580 is more sensitive only lower than suggested by it's spec bc it is rated 6 ohm. So when averaged the sensitivity is closer than would appear when adjusted for this. But, then again, with 2 woofers vs 1 for the 270 and a better built speaker I'd say you're right overall about needing power. Just curious if you are indicating that the same amp @100w wouldn't be adequate- how much more power do you imply?
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But, the 270 have lower sensitivity@rated and slightly higher than suggested by it's 8ohm spec VS the 580 is more sensitive only lower than suggested by it's spec bc it is rated 6 ohm. So when averaged the sensitivity is closer than would appear when adjusted for this. But, then again, with 2 woofers vs 1 for the 270 and a better built speaker I'd say you're right overall about needing power. Just curious if you are indicating that the same amp @100w wouldn't be adequate- how much more power do you imply?
The 580 is both more sensitive AND has a lower resistance (impedance) than the 270 so it will "see" more power from the same amplifier channel as an 8 ohm speaker. The number of drivers and cabinet construction quality is totally irrelevant in sizing the amplifier.

From personal, direct experience running both speakers on exactly the same amplifier, preamp & source I can tell you for a fact that the 580 produces more output than the 270 for the same amplifier input, I had to level down the 580's in my preamp in order to do an "apples to apples" listening test at the same relative volume and amplifier gain settings. This supports exactly what the spec sheet indicates...

The compression driver in the 580 is much more efficient than the dome tweeter and cone midrange utilized in the 270 which is the main reason for the difference in efficiency. Note that the Studio 280, which uses two 6.5" woofers vs the single in the 270, is actually more efficient.

I suggest a couple of articles to understand these concepts, first understanding the specs/ratings of a loudspeaker from PSB and how it translates into output levels:

http://www.psbspeakers.com/articl...ifications

.. and then consider the impact of distance on speaker output... For example, if I'm sitting 12 feet / 3 meters from my main speakers, I'm hearing 9-10 dB less from the speaker than I would at 1 meter (the plate spec). With a speaker indicating 87 dB @ 1 watt @ 1 meter, making 97dB @ 1 meter would only require 10 watts, however at 12 feet, you need 100 watts to produce the same output.

http://www.puiaudio.com/resources...power.aspx

.. and then an overview of THX Reference levels and receiver output calibration, which gives some context as to why this is relevant in "real world" home theater performance:

http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/...nce-level/

Are the 270's right for you? Not if you are going for reference levels in a large room... you simply can't feed them enough power to produce enough output before you hit the limitations of the design. If you stick to more sane listening levels in a smaller room and are not pushing these speakers to their absolute limits like I was they are probably a totally great speaker for the application.
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The 580 is both more sensitive AND has a lower resistance (impedance) than the 270 so it will "see" more power from the same amplifier channel as an 8 ohm speaker. The number of drivers and cabinet construction quality is totally irrelevant in sizing the amplifier.

From personal, direct experience running both speakers on exactly the same amplifier, preamp & source I can tell you for a fact that the 580 produces more output than the 270 for the same amplifier input, I had to level down the 580's in my preamp in order to do an "apples to apples" listening test at the same relative volume and amplifier gain settings. This supports exactly what the spec sheet indicates...

The compression driver in the 580 is much more efficient than the dome tweeter and cone midrange utilized in the 270 which is the main reason for the difference in efficiency. Note that the Studio 280, which uses two 6.5" woofers vs the single in the 270, is actually more efficient.

I suggest a couple of articles to understand these concepts, first understanding the specs/ratings of a loudspeaker from PSB and how it translates into output levels:

http://www.psbspeakers.com/articl...ifications [psbspeakers.com]

.. and then consider the impact of distance on speaker output... For example, if I'm sitting 12 feet / 3 meters from my main speakers, I'm hearing 9-10 dB less from the speaker than I would at 1 meter (the plate spec). With a speaker indicating 87 dB @ 1 watt @ 1 meter, making 97dB @ 1 meter would only require 10 watts, however at 12 feet, you need 100 watts to produce the same output.

http://www.puiaudio.com/resources...power.aspx [puiaudio.com]

.. and then an overview of THX Reference levels and receiver output calibration, which gives some context as to why this is relevant in "real world" home theater performance:

http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/...nce-level/ [acousticfrontiers.com]

Are the 270's right for you? Not if you are going for reference levels in a large room... you simply can't feed them enough power to produce enough output before you hit the limitations of the design. If you stick to more sane listening levels in a smaller room and are not pushing these speakers to their absolute limits like I was they are probably a totally great speaker for the application.
Let me know if you start a Youtube channel or a Patreon or something. Your posts in this thread are the kind of information so many of us are looking for.
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The 580 is both more sensitive AND has a lower resistance (impedance) than the 270 so it will "see" more power from the same amplifier channel as an 8 ohm speaker. The number of drivers and cabinet construction quality is totally irrelevant in sizing the amplifier.

From personal, direct experience running both speakers on exactly the same amplifier, preamp & source I can tell you for a fact that the 580 produces more output than the 270 for the same amplifier input, I had to level down the 580's in my preamp in order to do an "apples to apples" listening test at the same relative volume and amplifier gain settings. This supports exactly what the spec sheet indicates...

The compression driver in the 580 is much more efficient than the dome tweeter and cone midrange utilized in the 270 which is the main reason for the difference in efficiency. Note that the Studio 280, which uses two 6.5" woofers vs the single in the 270, is actually more efficient.

I suggest a couple of articles to understand these concepts, first understanding the specs/ratings of a loudspeaker from PSB and how it translates into output levels:

http://www.psbspeakers.com/articl...ifications

.. and then consider the impact of distance on speaker output... For example, if I'm sitting 12 feet / 3 meters from my main speakers, I'm hearing 9-10 dB less from the speaker than I would at 1 meter (the plate spec). With a speaker indicating 87 dB @ 1 watt @ 1 meter, making 97dB @ 1 meter would only require 10 watts, however at 12 feet, you need 100 watts to produce the same output.

http://www.puiaudio.com/resources...power.aspx

.. and then an overview of THX Reference levels and receiver output calibration, which gives some context as to why this is relevant in "real world" home theater performance:

http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/...nce-level/

Are the 270's right for you? Not if you are going for reference levels in a large room... you simply can't feed them enough power to produce enough output before you hit the limitations of the design. If you stick to more sane listening levels in a smaller room and are not pushing these speakers to their absolute limits like I was they are probably a totally great speaker for the application.
What about the 280?
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The 580 is both more sensitive AND has a lower resistance (impedance) than the 270 so it will "see" more power from the same amplifier channel as an 8 ohm speaker. The number of drivers and cabinet construction quality is totally irrelevant in sizing the amplifier.

From personal, direct experience running both speakers on exactly the same amplifier, preamp & source I can tell you for a fact that the 580 produces more output than the 270 for the same amplifier input, I had to level down the 580's in my preamp in order to do an "apples to apples" listening test at the same relative volume and amplifier gain settings. This supports exactly what the spec sheet indicates...

The compression driver in the 580 is much more efficient than the dome tweeter and cone midrange utilized in the 270 which is the main reason for the difference in efficiency. Note that the Studio 280, which uses two 6.5" woofers vs the single in the 270, is actually more efficient.

I suggest a couple of articles to understand these concepts, first understanding the specs/ratings of a loudspeaker from PSB and how it translates into output levels:

http://www.psbspeakers.com/articl...ifications

.. and then consider the impact of distance on speaker output... For example, if I'm sitting 12 feet / 3 meters from my main speakers, I'm hearing 9-10 dB less from the speaker than I would at 1 meter (the plate spec). With a speaker indicating 87 dB @ 1 watt @ 1 meter, making 97dB @ 1 meter would only require 10 watts, however at 12 feet, you need 100 watts to produce the same output.

http://www.puiaudio.com/resources...power.aspx

.. and then an overview of THX Reference levels and receiver output calibration, which gives some context as to why this is relevant in "real world" home theater performance:

http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/...nce-level/

Are the 270's right for you? Not if you are going for reference levels in a large room... you simply can't feed them enough power to produce enough output before you hit the limitations of the design. If you stick to more sane listening levels in a smaller room and are not pushing these speakers to their absolute limits like I was they are probably a totally great speaker for the application.
Thanks, I'm reading those now, read some others in the last couple months. Jus last month I got the JBL Studio 2's. 290/235c/210 (230 was cancelled by the egg) and the onk tx-NR686.
This is setup sideways in the back of my large room(garage 28x50) and is reasonable to me. Of curse not having "heard" anything else since my large component stereo in the 80's I haven't a comparison to form any opinion. Except - good enough for me in the garage. The only thing I'd be interested in doing is replacing the 210's- but only if a give-away price comes along, and think the 520c's would be nice to try on the side/back. I can't hardly tell the 210 are there in stereo mode- but I roam around working and don't stay in the middle.

Oh, I am expecting the JBL Studio SUB 550P this week. That should take the low end load off the cheap looking 8" speakers in the 290's. Not going for LFE totally, just want to reinforce the music down low.
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