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Its a decent price if you really need a drive(s) right now.
Otherwise, just shuck USB HDD or SSD.
5400RPM is a bit slow too.
5400RPM is the highest speed you should be buying anymore unless you're literally filling a datacenter. 5400RPM is more than fast enough to saturate a SATA port, generates less heat, and less vibration. Higher speed drives can get you improved latency in random read tests but will real world perform exactly the same... just louder, using more energy, and likely to die earlier. Speeds greater than 5400RPM have essentially been people overpaying for drives that will die earlier for quite a few years now.
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I bought 4 of these from Fry's for about $105 each a few years ago. Why haven't HDD prices moved? They're becoming obsolete.
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I know I'm not contributing anything to this thread, but just wanted to chime in and say I'm with you on this. When buying standalone NAS drives, there's something to be said for having the peace of mind that comes with not having to void the warranty.

Sure, the warranty isn't gonna do anything for you when your drive dies and you lose that data. Sure, WD Whites are essentially* the same drives as WD Reds. Sure, shucking will save you almost 50%, and is so easy that a caveman could do it. Everyone knows all that, so there's no need to pollute every single WD Red/Seagate IronWolf thread with it.


*BTW, I still have yet to see any actual proof that WD Whites = WD Reds. I've only seen:
  1. People parroting what they see everyone else say in previous threads.
  2. Links to Reddit threads of literally the same thing as #1.
  3. Anecdotes of how long their WD Whites have been going strong compared to other drives.
Realize that people who shuck will say what they want to hear to make themselves feel better about voiding the warranty on their Easystore/Elements. Full disclaimer: I'm one of these people who shuck, and yes I jumped on the recent 10TB deal.
If you want the proof, pull the data. I pulled it myself and compared my whites to my reds. Besides the model number, configuration was exactly the same (I've only 10 tb drives to compare directly, I can't speak for other sizes).
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I bought 4 of these from Fry's for about $105 each a few years ago. Why haven't HDD prices moved? They're becoming obsolete.
You pretty well just explained it. Consumer drives are reducing in sales volume, which drives prices up. There was also flooding years back that took out one of the largest factories and prices really never came all the way back from. Higher capacity drives have come down a bit in price, but low capacity has a floor of around $100. They'll likely discontinue making them before lowering the price.
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It isn't equivalent. Different warranties for one. I'm not sure if the error recover is the same between the white and the red.

I'm a big fan of the whites. But I know the increased risk I'm taking by using them.
Error handling is the same on both of them. You can use the various WD drive tools on your OS of choice to view or alter the settings and features.
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Absolutely hilarious to read through these threads.

"OMG these are so expensive and/or slow here's a 10TB 7200 RPM external drive just void the warranty and take the hard drive out of there and use it in your high performance NAS application!!!"

Uh, no. That's not how this works. If you don't understand the value of drives like this, then you are not in the market for them, it's as simple as that. And that's OK! But we don't need a hundred people chiming in about how they can get their drives really cheap from cousin Norm who has a bunch of slightly used hard drives he's letting go for pennies on the dollar, or whatever.
WD actually still honors the warranty as long as you do not damage the drive or enclosure. They legally have to honor it if fully reassembled without damage due to you doing so in the US (the disclaimers saying otherwise aren't actually valid, they are much like 'warranty void if broken' stickers). It is a shorter warranty, but given you can buy a replacement drive within that time and come out still at a lower price that's kind of a moot point.
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Absolutely hilarious to read through these threads.

"OMG these are so expensive and/or slow here's a 10TB 7200 RPM external drive just void the warranty and take the hard drive out of there and use it in your high performance NAS application!!!"

Uh, no. That's not how this works. If you don't understand the value of drives like this, then you are not in the market for them, it's as simple as that. And that's OK! But we don't need a hundred people chiming in about how they can get their drives really cheap from cousin Norm who has a bunch of slightly used hard drives he's letting go for pennies on the dollar, or whatever.
I understand the value. But cousin norm and his crazy prices makes me wonder why they charge so much more for these. I'm not even trying to make the claim that the white drives are reds.

Am I the only one that thought nas drivers prices would continue to drop? It might be this same price for the next 5 years.
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Will these work in Tivo Roamio?
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WD actually still honors the warranty as long as you do not damage the drive or enclosure. They legally have to honor it if fully reassembled without damage due to you doing so in the US (the disclaimers saying otherwise aren't actually valid, they are much like 'warranty void if broken' stickers). It is a shorter warranty, but given you can buy a replacement drive within that time and come out still at a lower price that's kind of a moot point.
This is not true, quit spreading misinformation. If you lie and reassemble the enclosure, sure the warranty will likely still be "valid" as you put one past the manufacturer.

However, the failure can easily be caused by utilizing the drive outside of the enclosure. There is increased risk of damage when removed from the enclosure and it is not up to the manufacturer to prove what you did to the drive. (e.g. Temperature control, vibration, duty cycle, etc.) The warranty packet even states removing from the enclosure voids the warranty due to these circumstances.

Even assuming you were right, I would love to see you attempt to sue a company for invalidating your warranty on $150 drive. Waste of time and effort. To be clear I buy and schuck drives, but I understand I do not have a warranty and am not unethical enough to attempt to reassemble an enclosure if I had a failure. I rip the enclosure apart and throw it away, knowing I am buying a drive which likely did not pass some quality check and was sold at a lower cost in an enclosure.
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> Mean time between failures
I thought the Reds were supposed to be pretty good on that?
Absolutely. I mean that if you compare the price of these good drives vs bargain bin only, these aren't a deal. Since these are helium sealed and supposed to be awesome, at a reasonable price... that makes this a deal.
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This is not true, quit spreading misinformation. If you lie and reassemble the enclosure, sure the warranty will likely still be "valid" as you put one past the manufacturer.

However, the failure can easily be caused by utilizing the drive outside of the enclosure. There is increased risk of damage when removed from the enclosure and it is not up to the manufacturer to prove what you did to the drive. (e.g. Temperature control, vibration, duty cycle, etc.) The warranty packet even states removing from the enclosure voids the warranty due to these circumstances.

Even assuming you were right, I would love to see you attempt to sue a company for invalidating your warranty on $150 drive. Waste of time and effort. To be clear I buy and schuck drives, but I understand I do not have a warranty and am not unethical enough to attempt to reassemble an enclosure if I had a failure. I rip the enclosure apart and throw it away, knowing I am buying a drive which likely did not pass some quality check and was sold at a lower cost in an enclosure.
I have personally contacted Western Digital to ask if the warranty is still valid after I shucked 2 8TB drive to put in a NAS and they confirmed that it is. I guess the person I spoke with could have lied to me but I don't see how that is a good business model. Either way I'm not worried. Red/white drives are very affordable these days (per TB).
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This is not true, quit spreading misinformation. If you lie and reassemble the enclosure, sure the warranty will likely still be "valid" as you put one past the manufacturer.

However, the failure can easily be caused by utilizing the drive outside of the enclosure. There is increased risk of damage when removed from the enclosure and it is not up to the manufacturer to prove what you did to the drive. (e.g. Temperature control, vibration, duty cycle, etc.) The warranty packet even states removing from the enclosure voids the warranty due to these circumstances.

Even assuming you were right, I would love to see you attempt to sue a company for invalidating your warranty on $150 drive. Waste of time and effort. To be clear I buy and schuck drives, but I understand I do not have a warranty and am not unethical enough to attempt to reassemble an enclosure if I had a failure. I rip the enclosure apart and throw it away, knowing I am buying a drive which likely did not pass some quality check and was sold at a lower cost in an enclosure.
Nobody is spreading misinformation. You didn't do your homework on this. They have granted the warranty on white drives without cases. Get your facts straight.
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Nobody is spreading misinformation. You didn't do your homework on this. They have granted the warranty on white drives without cases. Get your facts straight.

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I have personally contacted Western Digital to ask if the warranty is still valid after I shucked 2 8TB drive to put in a NAS and they confirmed that it is. I guess the person I spoke with could have lied to me but I don't see how that is a good business model. Either way I'm not worried. Red/white drives are very affordable these days (per TB).
Directly from the WD warranty:

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Limited Warranty

WD warrants that the Product, in the course of its normal use, will for the term defined below, be free from defects in material and workmanship and will conform to WD's specification therfor.
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WD shall have no liability for any Product if WD determines that the Product was stolen from WD or that the asserted defect a) is not present, b) cannot reasonably be rectified because of damage occurring before WD receives the Product, or c) is attributable to misuse, improper installation, alteration (including removing or obliterating labels and opening or removing external enclosures) ...

External Western Digital Enclosures

Do not remove the drive from the external enclosure. Removing the hard drive from a Western Digital single unit external enclosure will void the warranty.
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