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And M.2 drives are compatible with PCIe but at a max speed of sata 3 speeds. This 128gb unit is an M.2 ssd, not an mvne SSD like the 256gb version.
Mvne is different altogether and even then, speeds vary on manufacturer.
I cant open the laptop now as I'm getting it ready to RMA due to the screen:

https://i.postimg.cc/J0SVkS10/20-...-D4-AC.jpg
With all due respect I'm afraid you dont quite understand the subject matter. M.2 is slot specification i.e the standard of the slot. Both SATA and NVMe PCIe can use M.2 standard.

In the description section it clearly states that this laptop uses PCIe type of SSD
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if you're having trouble finding the drivers

https://support.hp.com/us-en/driv...c/20655761

i just updated to bios f.35 and it's running excellent. gotta wait for it to cool down to see how the fan is.
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I bought this exact model back in September and ended up exchanging it twice. Heat issues, constant fan noise and the worst issue I experienced on all three laptops was the top inch or two of the screen had poor touchscreen performance. Not just with finger touch issues but with an active stylus. Really wanted to like this laptop. Has all the features I wanted, nice build quality and the perfect size. Too bad the issues were consistent with all the laptops I exchanged for.
the bios has recently been updated to f.35 and it seems like most of those issues are resolved.
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With all due respect I'm afraid you dont quite understand the subject matter. M.2 is slot specification i.e the standard of the slot. Both SATA and NVMe PCIe can use M.2 standard.

In the description section it clearly states that this laptop uses PCIe type of SSD
And look up the specs on HP replacement for the 128gb ssd. Its an M.2
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And look up the specs on HP replacement for the 128gb ssd. Its an M.2
The point was your original post sounded confused about the reality of the terms & devices; reviewing your post & editing may clarify what you meant.

Your post made m.2 & SATA sound like comparable/equivalent options, which they are not. It seemed like you meant m.2 & SATA are same/equivalent.

M.2 is the physical connector/slot standard. Which can support multiple communication/controller/bus options that can be connected via the m.2 connector, commonly SATA &/or PCIe/NVMe (either or both). (Like USB has a connector that can allow other communication controllers/buses/standards to contact thru also, like Thunderbolt or DisplayPort or etc. USB is also a complete communication standard, not just the connector.).

It seemed the point you were making is the installed 128GB SSD does not have maximum speeds better than SATA(3), (which does not itself mean it uses SATA, could still have PCIe/NVMe interface).
You checked the spec.s, or did you go from benchmark/speed testing?

Your point is correct that max speeds of different SSD models themselves vary, & can determine the max speed possible (the bottleneck in the chain) (even if connected to a faster communication controller/bus/standard). Not all devices are designed to operate up to the maximum speed of the port/bus they connect.
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So my laptop (open box - excellent condition) should arrive on Friday. Has anyone gotten theirs (open box?). What BIOS does it come with? Other than the BIOS, what else needs updating to make sure the heating and wifi issues do not appear? Anyone have a list of bloatware that can be safely removed without affecting laptop performance? This will be my teenage daughter's laptop, and I want to make sure everything works well before the return period expires. Thanks!
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The drive is a SATA drive. But, it can be upgraded to nvme. It seems the slot allows for either to be inserted. Got the info from the service manual.
http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06027358

The question is, how do we image one onto the other?
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The point was your original post sounded confused about the reality of the terms & devices; reviewing your post & editing may clarify what you meant.

Your post made m.2 & SATA sound like comparable/equivalent options, which they are not. It seemed like you meant m.2 & SATA are same/equivalent.

M.2 is the physical connector/slot standard. Which can support multiple communication/controller/bus options that can be connected via the m.2 connector, commonly SATA &/or PCIe/NVMe (either or both). (Like USB has a connector that can allow other communication controllers/buses/standards to contact thru also, like Thunderbolt or DisplayPort or etc. USB is also a complete communication standard, not just the connector.).

It seemed the point you were making is the installed 128GB SSD does not have maximum speeds better than SATA(3), (which does not itself mean it uses SATA, could still have PCIe/NVMe interface).
You checked the spec.s, or did you go from benchmark/speed testing?

Your point is correct that max speeds of different SSD models themselves vary, & can determine the max speed possible (the bottleneck in the chain) (even if connected to a faster communication controller/bus/standard). Not all devices are designed to operate up to the maximum speed of the port/bus they connect.
I tested the drive myself, took it out then looked it up on HP's website. Then my screen kept getting worse so i reassembled the bottom cover of the laptop and updated the bios only to find out my screen kept getting worse and worse.
This is why people who do not own this laptop or taken it apart should make validations.
I never said the slot wasnt a pcie. I stated the SSD that comes with it is a M.2 non nvme drive.
That's another reason why i replied to someone else who said his HP Stock drive(128gb SSD) was getting throttled but he was confusing nvme ssd speeds and M.2 2280 SSD speeds(which has sata 3 max speeds). HP doesnt make 128gb mvne replacements for this laptop. I checked under "support"
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The drive is a SATA drive. But, it can be upgraded to nvme. It seems the slot allows for either to be inserted. Got the info from the service manual.
http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06027358

The question is, how do we image one onto the other?
It's got to be either an enclosure but i cant seem to find one that accepts nvme. Either way, nvme is worthless. There's no real world difference. Its pure synthetic testing. Might make ur build future proof with future updates but by then, prices would be way down
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It's got to be either an enclosure but i cant seem to find one that accepts nvme. Either way, nvme is worthless. There's no real world difference. Its pure synthetic testing. Might make ur build future proof with future updates but by then, prices would be way down
I already have a usb<->M.2 nvme enclosure. It's like $22 on ebay.
What I don't have is a usb<->M.2 sata enclosure.
But, It doesn't matter, you can get the whole drive image from hp.
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06162205

The reason I wanted this is that I already own a 512GB M.2. Nvme which came out of a dead xps 13.
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The drive is a SATA drive. But, it can be upgraded to nvme. It seems the slot allows for either to be inserted. Got the info from the service manual.
http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06027358

The question is, how do we image one onto the other?
Instead of using an enclosure you could also us an external hard drive to save an image of the original drive using Acronis True Image or equivalent.

The generic steps would be something like this
1) boot laptop and install Acronis
2) create full disk image with the result saved on an external drive. It will be one file that is huge (over 10GB). The drive needs to be formatted to allow files over 4GB, I recommend NTFS.
3) create bootable flash drive. This used be be a bootable CD, but no machines have these anymore. There might be a way to put this image on the same external drive you put disk image on. I'm not sure about that
4) shut down machine and open it up. Take the original drive out and put your new blank drive in.
5) Boot laptop with the flash drive from step 3. This will bring up the Acronis disk copy program. Select the target as the new drive and the source as the image file created on the external hard drive. This will then write the image to the new hard drive. It will take a while to do this. This will be an exact copy of the original hard drive.
6) When it's done it will either reboot or shutdown. On reboot it should boot from the new hard drive.

There's another program that is free that is similar to True Image. I just can't remember the name of it right now.

Another thing you could do it is to get the windows iso and then just clean install windows on the new drive. You would then have to install all the hp specific drivers from their website.
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the bios has recently been updated to f.35 and it seems like most of those issues are resolved.
Do you happen to know what other remaining issues there are? I haven't had Radeon cards in decades because of poor drivers. I also read that they hadn't updated them for mobile Ryzen in over a year.
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So my laptop (open box - excellent condition) should arrive on Friday. Has anyone gotten theirs (open box?). What BIOS does it come with? Other than the BIOS, what else needs updating to make sure the heating and wifi issues do not appear? Anyone have a list of bloatware that can be safely removed without affecting laptop performance? This will be my teenage daughter's laptop, and I want to make sure everything works well before the return period expires. Thanks!
My bios was f.05!! I updated to f.35 and everything has been good. I have the April Radeon AMD drivers and virtualization enabled. Thing runs great.
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Do you happen to know what other remaining issues there are? I haven't had Radeon cards in decades because of poor drivers. I also read that they hadn't updated them for mobile Ryzen in over a year.
I don't really seem to see any, other than 4/5 hour battery life. But that was expected. The fans turn on but if you put it in battery saver, it really quiets down
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Two questions.
1. If I replaced the SSD, will that void the HP warranty?
2. Any suggestions on which NVME to get? Preferably one that is compatible and does not get too hot!!
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