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Just to be aware, these particular all clad ceramic fry pans are made and China. The center 6" of the pan on an induction top only heats up. Otherwise the pan has a concave center, not ideal as rocking a pan back and fourth during frying is pointless in order to cook.

The only All Clad's I buy is the copper core because of the horrid quality of their lower tier cookware.

I agree. I feel this is another move to prey on the ignorant. Most of the uninitiated only know All-Clad = Highest quality. The warranty (which I posted) reflects a lack of faith by All-Clad for their China based low quality products, which this piece happens to be.

It is pretty much the same as Emeril or Rachel Ray stamping their name on shoddy quality China made pots and pans.

I think I'm just sticking with the All-Clad that is tri-ply, non-non-stick (LOL, ie stainless steel, copper, whatever), made in America, and a good warranty.
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Hi, would you mind please sharing the process that you used? Thank you!
I think you are missing the point of stainless steel. You want foods to stick, or you should be using non-stick. The stuff that sticks is known as "fond" by those who can cook, and deglazed, becomes the base of any gravy, sauce, or miscellaneous natural condiment for your food.

If you are buying stainless steel or copper, but wanting it non-stick, you may need to take some cooking classes.
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My understanding is the same, but do you have any suggestions for a comparable, thick bottomed anodized pan under $35? My cheap non stick college pans have run their course and I need some replacements that aren't paper thin T-Fals from a box store.
TBH, I advise a cast iron skillet properly seasoned. It is really thick, holds in heat, and will last you a lifetime. Non-stick has its uses, but they are disposable and will always wear out (usually in a relatively short period of time). This is why this All-Clad China version has such a poor warranty and non-stick surface wearing off is specifically listed in the EXCLUSIONS for the warranty.

Cast iron takes longer to heat, but pre-heating is just a habit you get into when cooking, and I prefer the results. There is a learning curve, and non-stick is probably just easier in the long run if you can't be bothered to invest some time in mastering it.

I bought a $20 Lodge Cast Iron skillet, rotary/orbital sanded it until it was as smooth inside as those legacy Griswold skillets dating back to the 1800's that go for hundreds on ebay, and then seasoned the hell out of it over months. I'm OCD though, so this is a bit extreme.
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Is this dishwasher safe?
Ya! I have the 10" & 8" set and love them. Far superior to the Caphalon Elite pans from William Sonoma. I'm struggling not to pull the trigger on the whole set here.
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TBH, I advise a cast iron skillet properly seasoned. It is really thick, holds in heat, and will last you a lifetime. Non-stick has its uses, but they are disposable and will always wear out (usually in a relatively short period of time). This is why this All-Clad China version has such a poor warranty and non-stick surface wearing off is specifically listed in the EXCLUSIONS for the warranty.

Cast iron takes longer to heat, but pre-heating is just a habit you get into when cooking, and I prefer the results. There is a learning curve, and non-stick is probably just easier in the long run if you can't be bothered to invest some time in mastering it.

I bought a $20 Lodge Cast Iron skillet, rotary/orbital sanded it until it was as smooth inside as those legacy Griswold skillets dating back to the 1800's that go for hundreds on ebay, and then seasoned the hell out of it over months. I'm OCD though, so this is a bit extreme.
While the information is helpful, maybe you misunderstood. I've got Lodge cast iron for searing and baking, Le Creuset Dutch Oven for braising and sauces, All-Clad Tri-ply for most common cooking, a Thomas Keller Copper Core saucier (from a SD!) and some worn out non-stick pans. I want to replace the non-stick ones for eggs, delicate sauces and emulsions, Hopefully something with a thicker bottom. I thought you had mentioned that I can spend less for equivalent quality, I was hoping you could point me in the right direction.

Your pan sounds awesome and I'm sure it performs well when it is preheated, seasoned and sanded smooth. I don't have any interest in doing that. I would rather use a slightly higher quality non-stick for my eggs and replace it when necessary, but that doesn't mean I want a paper thin T-Fal pan. Hence why I was asking about where I can find something comparable to this for under $35.
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looks like the 12" fry pan is sold out. bummer!
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The T-Fal 12" with lid is also $39.99 on Amazon now:

T-fal E91898 Ultimate Hard Anodized Scratch Resistant Titanium Nonstick Thermo-Spot Heat Indicator Anti-Warp Base Dishwasher Safe Oven Safe PFOA Free Glass Lid Cookware, 12-Inch, Gray
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EXLO...B004VJMT78
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While the information is helpful, maybe you misunderstood. I've got Lodge cast iron for searing and baking, Le Creuset Dutch Oven for braising and sauces, All-Clad Tri-ply for most common cooking, a Thomas Keller Copper Core saucier (from a SD!) and some worn out non-stick pans. I want to replace the non-stick ones for eggs, delicate sauces and emulsions, Hopefully something with a thicker bottom. I thought you had mentioned that I can spend less for equivalent quality, I was hoping you could point me in the right direction.

Your pan sounds awesome and I'm sure it performs well when it is preheated, seasoned and sanded smooth. I don't have any interest in doing that. I would rather use a slightly higher quality non-stick for my eggs and replace it when necessary, but that doesn't mean I want a paper thin T-Fal pan. Hence why I was asking about where I can find something comparable to this for under $35.
I'm not sure how thick this pan is, as one of the previous replies was about it being cheaply made and "rocking", which means only one part is actually contacting the burner at a time on an electric burner.

These came up with same 12" hard anodized heavy duty config and similar lifetime warranties. They are all cheaper than even the discounted All-Clad.

2 of these actually show up on most of the top 10 nonstick skillets lists, while the All-Clad B1 (which is the Aluminum model, not steel) does not. As I've mentioned, All-Clad seems to be preying on the stupid, as they are peddling a low end Chinese aluminum skillet with the All-Clad name attached, and that doesn't place on any top 10 or top 20 cookware lists,but charging a higher price (even discounted) than those that do.

https://www.target.com/p/circulon...A-51012747

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Tramon.../159158161

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071ZFZ...us-20&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/T-fal-Resi...004WULC56/
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12" is back. just bought one
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I can tell you have never returned All Clad cookware. I have lived in Atlanta, Houston, Chicago, Kansas and Cleveland. Over the last 15 years, I have returned multiple All Clad pots and pan, with normal wear, without receipt, to Bed, Bath and Beyond stores in every state mentioned above. The service desk clerk says "ok" when I say I need to exchange or return, they take about 5 minutes to look up the old product, arrive at a retail cost, and give me a gift card in hand to replace with whatever I want. If I recall correctly they may now take off 5% or so of the retail price that they refund.
It is a true lifetime warranty. BBB does not care if you bought it there because they return the items to All Clad for credit.
I have multiple pieces of Staub, Le Creuset, genuine Copper cookware, etc etc. I still buy and use All Clad non stick and LTD line.



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Um...not so much:

The All-Clad warranty
From the date of purchase in the US or Canada, All-Clad warranties to repair or replace in the country of
purchase, any item found defective in material, construction or workmanship under normal use, and following
care instructions.

Exclusions
This warranty does not cover:
• Damage arising from thermal shocks, drops, improper use, failure to follow the use and care
instructions, or an unauthorized modification or repair.
• Normal product wear and tear
Nonstick deterioration, discoloration, warping, or metal separation due to high heat, prolonged heat
exposure when empty, etc.
• Stains, discoloration or scratches on the inside or outside
• Any accident caused by fire, flood, etc.
• Commercial, professional, or workplace use
• Any glass or porcelain in the product
• Dust or insects inside the product
• Nonstick damage from metal or sharp utensils
• Damage caused by use of scouring pads, steel wool, abrasive cleaners, bleach, etc.
• Minor imperfections and color variations, which are normal
All-Clad warranties that non-stick coatings comply with regulations covering materials in contact with food.


TBH, for a product so pricey, the warranty is quite shoddy, and about in-line with T-Fal or KitchenAid sadly.
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I'm not sure how thick this pan is, as one of the previous replies was about it being cheaply made and "rocking", which means only one part is actually contacting the burner at a time on an electric burner.

These came up with same 12" hard anodized heavy duty config and similar lifetime warranties. They are all cheaper than even the discounted All-Clad.

2 of these actually show up on most of the top 10 nonstick skillets lists, while the All-Clad B1 (which is the Aluminum model, not steel) does not. As I've mentioned, All-Clad seems to be preying on the stupid, as they are peddling a low end Chinese aluminum skillet with the All-Clad name attached, and that doesn't place on any top 10 or top 20 cookware lists,but charging a higher price (even discounted) than those that do.

https://www.target.com/p/circulon...A-51012747

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Tramon.../159158161

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071ZFZ...us-20&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/T-fal-Resi...004WULC56/
Are the ones you linked somewhere in the top 10/20 or something? Cause when All-clad goes on sale they're the same price as any other cheap non-sticks.

Doubt these are as thick or heavy as the all-clad. But then again, half the weight is probably from All-clads annoying handle design lol.
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I think there is one question a lot of people should ask before buying this. What purpose will you buy it for?

To me I struggle a bit to find the answer to this for "high quality" nonstick. Generally, you are either paying more for a thicker pan or more durable nonstick or both.

On the thicker pan, sure it retains heat better but for my purposes, I actually prefer cheaper thinner nonstick like a t-fal. I personally find it's much easier for eggs and saute etc..
I'm sure there are good uses for a thick nonstick but you should ask yourself first. I do have triply pans but none are nonstick.

Assuming it is more durable, If it's cost, buying two cheap can often be cheaper and maintain better nonstick than riding out a more durable one.

Just some considerations..
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roaster is very large btw,
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I can tell you have never returned All Clad cookware. I have lived in Atlanta, Houston, Chicago, Kansas and Cleveland. Over the last 15 years, I have returned multiple All Clad pots and pan, with normal wear, without receipt, to Bed, Bath and Beyond stores in every state mentioned above. The service desk clerk says "ok" when I say I need to exchange or return, they take about 5 minutes to look up the old product, arrive at a retail cost, and give me a gift card in hand to replace with whatever I want. If I recall correctly they may now take off 5% or so of the retail price that they refund.
It is a true lifetime warranty. BBB does not care if you bought it there because they return the items to All Clad for credit.
I have multiple pieces of Staub, Le Creuset, genuine Copper cookware, etc etc. I still buy and use All Clad non stick and LTD line.
From your claim, you state in 5 cities you have had to return at least 1 All-Clad item over the past 15 years, so 5 All-Clad items returned (at the very minimum) in 15 years? It sounds like you are not being truthful, work for All-Clad PR, or All-Clad is fairly defective, even compared to brands half the price.

You really didn't go into detail on why you had to return at least 5 All-Clad items within 15 years. If you had experience with returning one of their China-made products, or non-stick products, or any other item with relation to the item being discussed in this thread, you would have offered up some details beyond the "I returned 5 All-Clad items over the last 15 years" claim.

The fact that they specifically list "wear and tear" and "Nonstick deterioration" in the list of what is excluded from their warranties, it is at their discretion whether they want to replace non-stick items with the coating warn down or warn off.
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Are the ones you linked somewhere in the top 10/20 or something? Cause when All-clad goes on sale they're the same price as any other cheap non-sticks.

Doubt these are as thick or heavy as the all-clad. But then again, half the weight is probably from All-clads annoying handle design lol.
The following where in the top 10 of multiple "Best Skillets of 2019" lists doing a general google search:
-Tramontina Professional Aluminum 12" Non-Stick Fry Pan
-T-fal E76507 Ultimate Hard Anodized Scratch Resistant Titanium Nonstick Thermo-Spot Heat Indicator Anti-Warp Base Dishwasher Safe Oven Safe PFOA Free Saute / Fry Pan Cookware, 12-Inch, Gray

These 2 were still well under the cost of the discounted All-Clad skillet. The All-Clad skillet was not only on none of the "Best Skillets of 2019" lists that came up, they weren't even in some of the lists that went up to "top 20". Basically, it didn't rank at all. Nuff said.
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