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Why this when there are others for cheaper with as many reviews ?
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Why this when there are others for cheaper with as many reviews ?
The question is why this when the code requires wired and interconnected smoke/co detectors on every floor.

When I installed my solar system the village I live in, required me to bring my smoke detectors to current code which calls for upgrading all existing smoke detectors with combo smoke/co and they must be wired. Fortunately I already had wired smoke detectors that I replaced with wired combos.

They should stop selling battery only detectors. Yes they are convenient but they don't comply with the latest fire code. I guess they can be used as an add on.
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First Alert and Kidde both have horrible reviews on Amazon, with FA getting a Fakespot D and Kidde a C... Whether most of the bad reviews are fake or not, neither company feels it needs to answer customer concerns, as I clicked on the comments of 20 or so and didn't see anything from the companies.

I'm just going to check with the local FD and see what they recommend.
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The question is why this when the code requires wired and interconnected smoke/co detectors on every floor.

When I installed my solar system the village I live in, required me to bring my smoke detectors to current code which calls for upgrading all existing smoke detectors with combo smoke/co and they must be wired. Fortunately I already had wired smoke detectors that I replaced with wired combos.

They should stop selling battery only detectors. Yes they are convenient but they don't comply with the latest fire code. I guess they can be used as an add on.
I'm sure this varies from state to state, but I'm glad I checked for NYC:

"The law says that starting April 1, 2019 all new or replacement smoke detectors in New York State must be powered by a 10-year, sealed, non-removable battery or hardwired to the home. Homeowners & landlords must upgrade their smoke detectors before selling or renting homes and apartments in New York State."

I almost bought these detectors last time they were on sale. This First Alert detector takes AA batteries so it probably wouldn't be compliant with the new NYS law.
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I'm sure this varies from state to state, but I'm glad I checked for NYC:

"The law says that starting April 1, 2019 all new or replacement smoke detectors in New York State must be powered by a 10-year, sealed, non-removable battery or hardwired to the home. Homeowners & landlords must upgrade their smoke detectors before selling or renting homes and apartments in New York State."

I almost bought these detectors last time they were on sale. This First Alert detector takes AA batteries so it probably wouldn't be compliant with the new NYS law.
The international building/fire code is the same. It just depends what version does the local municipality comply to. For example my village was going by the building code from 2012 but were getting ready to adopt the latest code which of course will have some requirements updated.

It's a shame that no company is making wired Z-Wave smoke/co detectors. I've been looking for the last few years and finally was forced to go with regular wired ones.

Check your local codes people!
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The international building/fire code is the same. It just depends what version does the local municipality comply to. For example my village was going by the building code from 2012 but were getting ready to adopt the latest code which of course will have some requirements updated.

It's a shame that no company is making wired Z-Wave smoke/co detectors. I've been looking for the last few years and finally was forced to go with regular wired ones.

Check your local codes people!
How to integrate Z Wave with a hardwired smoke/CO detector?

I know of these, I do not use them, nor do I sell these, BUT I've read other SDers write of these (in other posts):

https://www.2gig.com/products/sensors/firefighter-smoke-detector-sensor-transmitter/

Yes, I understand it's a pain to get "another gizmo", but this is the only work-around currently available that I know of to get a hardwired system to alert through a Z Wave system.
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How to integrate Z Wave with a hardwired smoke/CO detector?

I know of these, I do not use them, nor do I sell these, BUT I've read other SDers write of these (in other posts):

https://www.2gig.com/products/sen...ansmitter/

Yes, I understand it's a pain to get "another gizmo", but this is the only work-around currently available that I know of to get a hardwired system to alert through a Z Wave system.
Yes, I now have smoke/co listener that's part of my newly instlled ring alarm which os very similar to the device in your link.

Another way is to use Kiddie wired smoke/co detectors paired with couple of these:

Relay Module https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000LDD...b_ap_share

Kidde SM120X Interconnect... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HQNP...b_ap_share

You can use Z-Wave or Instaone (or I'm assuming other standards like Zigbee?) window/door contact sensors to trigger programs on your controller. I purchased the two relays but got the Ring set that comes with the smoke/co listener and the relays are not installed. I still may use them as my Universal Devices controller doesn't integrate with ring for now.

First Alert also makes relay like the ones above but it's a single relay for both smoke and co and you will not know what triggered it. I wanted to distinguish between smoke and co so I went the Kiddie route.
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Yes, I now have smoke/co listener that's part of my newly instlled ring alarm which os very similar to the device in your link.

Another way is to use Kiddie wired smoke/co detectors paired with couple of these:

Relay Module https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000LDD...b_ap_share

Kidde SM120X Interconnect... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HQNP...b_ap_share

You can use Z-Wave or Instaone (or I'm assuming other standards like Zigbee?) window/door contact sensors to trigger programs on your controller. I purchased the two relays but got the Ring set that comes with the smoke/co listener and the relays are not installed. I still may use them as my Universal Devices controller doesn't integrate with ring for now.

First Alert also makes relay like the ones above but it's a single relay for both smoke and co and you will not know what triggered it. I wanted to distinguish between smoke and co so I went the Kiddie route.
EXCELLENT info, thanks for sharing imitkov17 👍👍
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