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HS210 three way switch problem

155 14 August 8, 2019 at 09:58 PM
Hey guys, I attempted to change a multiswitch at my home and failed miserably.

The set up has 3 switches upstairs and one downstairs controlling the same lighting.

I was expecting to find two traveling wires, but there's only one red one (aside from the usual lead, neutral and ground). I was able to get power to the TP-Link device putting the red cable in one of the two traveling spots but the lighting would not turn on

Any advice?

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Hey guys, I attempted to change a multiswitch at my home and failed miserably.

The set up has 3 switches upstairs and one downstairs controlling the same lighting.

I was expecting to find two traveling wires, but there's only one red one (aside from the usual lead, neutral and ground). I was able to get power to the TP-Link device putting the red cable in one of the two traveling spots but the lighting would not turn on

Any advice?
Sounds pretty standard to me (the wiring setup).

Were you not able to just put the new switch in with the wires in the same position as the old switch?

Google 'four switches wiring' or something to that effect and then go to Google images instead of web search. You'll see plenty of examples of the proper wiring for a four-switch setup.
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A few years ago I was switching out ALL the outlets and switches for a friend as they liked the new decora style better for the house that they just bought.
Their stairwell had 4 switches and if I recall correctly, it had 2 4-way switches in the middle and a 3-way switch on each end...It's been a while and since the old switches didn't have a diagram for what terminal was what, it was a nightmare to get them all doing what they should be...A LOT of trial and error..heavy on the Error side.

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I know it's confusing, but a light that can be controlled in 2 locations is said to have a 3-way switch.

Anything over 4-way (3 switches) is a real mess. When a larger number of switches is involved, people sometimes use special switches not unlike some home automation switches today that use fewer wires instead of doing a 5+ traditional way switch config.

4 switches to control the same light would be "5-way" switch. They don't actually make a switch that does this, instead it's accomplished using two 4-way switches and two 3-way switches. I can't say for sure if you'll be able to use the kasa switches, but to have chance you'd need to identify which switches are 3-way and which are 4-way (number of non-ground terminals). You'd need to leave the 4 ways in place and you'd only be able to install it if you have a neutral in 3-way boxes. These tp-link switches require a neutral in every box you put them in. If the house was built before ~2008 you almost certainly won't have that.

I'd say the odds are pretty good that these tplink switches won't work for you. There are some zwave, insteon, and lutron products that should.
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You guys are on point. Google image search made it more clear. On my third try I found a switch with a red, red bundled near a black, a black and a white wire.. I'm curious if this would work with the TP-Link to control all
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I had a homework problem once that involved a "27-way" light switch. Facepalm

If you post pictures of each switch and box it would be easier to offer advice. My feeling would be that you might want to try an electrician but some electricians don't want to deal with home automation devices.
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post some photos of each switch
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27!!??? That's one hell of a truth table to build for that! Bigeye
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27!!??? That's one hell of a truth table to build for that! Bigeye
Well it served its purpose, I still remember it... More memorable though was a large minimization example the prof. spent an entire lecture working though across 12 blackboards that he erased 3 times only to realize 5 minutes after the lecture was supposed to end that had made a mistake back on about blackboard 3 of 36 and EVERYTHING else was wrong.
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Well it served its purpose, I still remember it... More memorable though was a large minimization example the prof. spent an entire lecture working though across 12 blackboards that he erased 3 times only to realize 5 minutes after the lecture was supposed to end that had made a mistake back on about blackboard 3 of 36 and EVERYTHING else was wrong.
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