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Its always fun reading all the comments from fan boys that try to justify cheap muddy sounding subs like this, as if they are worthy additions to even the worst sounding systems and listening environments. They spend their time commenting and parroting what they've read elsewhere, only to waste your time reading. Dont fall for such nonsense.

A simple search on this sub pretty much sums it up. Those who start at the lowest of the low end (which this sub is) usually have buyers remorse and step up to something better. The ones who glorify garbage are those who are desperately trying to justify their own feeble expenditures. In this case, there are no free lunches and you get what you paid for.

I swapped a Klipsch R-120SW (given to me) for a Monolith 10" THX Select for $375 on sale, and the difference made the most astonishing impact I could have imagined. Gone was the muddy distorted drumming that often sounded bloated and uncontrolled. Yes, I moved the sub, swapped modern AVR's, re-calibrated and followed all the steps recommended by audiophiles. But just as they pointed out, Id mostly be wasting my time with this cheap sub... and I was. Im also a musician and have several other sound systems in other rooms and other locations to compare.

After doing my research (and not surprisingly), I received exactly what I had anticipated from Monoprice. The Mono THX Select provided clean controlled bass that blended in seamlessly in any situation, both for HT and musically, and added serious punch (when necessary) that ratified all the reviews from people qualified to comment on the subject. By comparison, the Klipsch was like the toddler placed in the corner of a quiet waiting room, then given a spoon and pot to bang on to keep it busy. I sold the Klipsch for an astonishing $150 on craigslist to a fan-boy, which resulted in $225 out of pocket to step up to the Monoprice THX. Now after owing the Monoprice, Id save and buy at full price if I ever had to replace it. Its THAT MUCH BETTER, as are a few other subs competing in its price range and category. Again, a quick search will show you what is available and how they compare. ANY of them will astonish you when compared to a cheap sub. If you spend a reasonable amount of time enjoying a particular listening and/or HT viewing location, then the additional cost is probably more than worth the expenditure. Along with that, take note of the many reported amplifier failures of the lower end Klipsch subs. Not so with the higher end subs.

Dont take my word for it. Get away from the fan boy comments of SD, Amazon, Crutchfield, etc., and read the dozens of subjective audiophile reviews and comparisons before blowing your money. I understand that everyone has a budget. But from those who have been down the audio upgrade path, most are quick to point out that the one piece of equipment worthy of saving up for are the sub and speakers. The main point Ive read during my research is this: with today's AVR's, many decent speakers can often be calibrated to sound quite descent... but not so with cheap subs. They are a more often a rude distraction, not a compliment.
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Do it. Adding a second sub made a night and day difference for me. It fills in the room nulls if your receiver supports it (Audyssey XT32 with dual sub outputs on my Denon x4300h). My "nice" sub is this R-12SWi. My old sub is another much cheaper Klipsch 12".
My primary sub is already a very good unit. I'm afraid this is going to underwhelm. Plus the space it'll go into doesn't need the wireless feature as it'll just sit next to the amp anyways.
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Been looking for a sub to use for my backyard theater setup. This cheapo might work.
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Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. That post just says don't buy the $229 subwoofer - go buy something thats $700-$XXXX. The only user on that post who actually bought one was happy with it. Klipsch is not well beloved due to it "home theatre in a box" with audiophiles, so who its impossible judge. Reviews on amazon,crutchfield, etc are all good.

In your post this user summed it up.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/11...st57587776 [avsforum.com]

Recommending a $700+ 15" subwoofer without even knowing room size or even how his sound system compares sounds crazy to me. If your running a $1200 - Klipsch set your not going to buy a $700 subwoofer
Ha, the most telling quote in that thread is the Klipsch critic that says, "Once you get a taste for quality price is just a piece of paper; or an afterthought. Budget? **** a budget."

So he may be right, maybe there's a level of subwoofer quality that my ears have never heard. But regardless of how good it sounds, I don't have the budget to spend that much on a sound system.
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I have the monoprice sub you are talking about and was completely disappointed at first. Went though the same thing thinking it was broken. Then I read somewhere they really need to be broken in, after about 10 hours, the thing was very impressive. Absolutely nothing when I first pulled it out of the box to serious shake your room bass after it loosened up.
It is pretty good for music but very underwhelming for movies. You definitely hear some bass but don't "feel" the bass. A good sub you should be able to feel. I have mine wired to the back of the room right next to the sofa where we sit yet still don't feel it. The Sony at my bro in laws is in the front of the room by the TV yet you feel the bass hit from behind you somehow on the couch about 15 ft back. I think the monoprice just doesn't go low enough and also doesn't have enough power. I know the Sony sound bar is pretty expensive but not sure how much the sub on it would be stand alone. I'm definitely skipping this one and going to upgrade to an svs or monolith eventually so hopefully I don't regret the purchase again.
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Ha, the most telling quote in that thread is the Klipsch critic that says, "Once you get a taste for quality price is just a piece of paper; or an afterthought. Budget? **** a budget."

So he may be right, maybe there's a level of subwoofer quality that my ears have never heard. But regardless of how good it sounds, I don't have the budget to spend that much on a sound system.
Same can be said for anything. Once you get a taste of Porsche... it'll ruin you, you can never drive your Civic again.

And trust me, once you get a Ferrari, all bets are off! And once you get your first Zonda, a standard pleb exotic car is just shit.

So therefore, everyone at least needs a Porsche with a MSRP over $100k because all other cars are shit
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Same can be said for anything. Once you get a taste of Porsche... it'll ruin you, you can never drive your Civic again.

And trust me, once you get a Ferrari, all bets are off! And once you get your first Zonda, a standard pleb exotic car is just shit.

So therefore, everyone at least needs a Porsche with a MSRP over $100k because all other cars are shit
Thank you, perfect example. While I enjoyed the ride a Dodge Viper once, I'll stick with my sub $10k used vehicles, thank you very much.
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Thank you, perfect example. While I enjoyed the ride a Dodge Viper once, I'll stick with my sub $10k used vehicles, thank you very much.
But your screen name tho
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But your screen name tho
Oh yeah... well, I didn't say I didn't like it
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Oh yeah... well, I didn't say I didn't like it
I was at a track event last week. I have a new found respect for the ACR.
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I have these subs. I havent hooked them up yet. I have a Budget 15" Dayton sub for one of my other systems and its badass for the $. But 2 of these klipsch will work for me at the price I paid. I like the wireless for my situation
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Its always fun reading all the comments from fan boys that try to justify cheap muddy sounding subs like this, as if they are worthy additions to even the worst sounding systems and listening environments. They spend their time commenting and parroting what they've read elsewhere, only to waste your time reading. Dont fall for such nonsense.

A simple search on this sub pretty much sums it up. Those who start at the lowest of the low end (which this sub is) usually have buyers remorse and step up to something better. The ones who glorify garbage are those who are desperately trying to justify their own feeble expenditures. In this case, there are no free lunches and you get what you paid for.

I swapped a Klipsch R-120SW (given to me) for a Monolith 10" THX Select for $375 on sale, and the difference made the most astonishing impact I could have imagined. Gone was the muddy distorted drumming that often sounded bloated and uncontrolled. Yes, I moved the sub, swapped modern AVR's, re-calibrated and followed all the steps recommended by audiophiles. But just as they pointed out, Id mostly be wasting my time with this cheap sub... and I was. Im also a musician and have several other sound systems in other rooms and other locations to compare.

After doing my research (and not surprisingly), I received exactly what I had anticipated from Monoprice. The Mono THX Select provided clean controlled bass that blended in seamlessly in any situation, both for HT and musically, and added serious punch (when necessary) that ratified all the reviews from people qualified to comment on the subject. By comparison, the Klipsch was like the toddler placed in the corner of a quiet waiting room, then given a spoon and pot to bang on to keep it busy. I sold the Klipsch for an astonishing $150 on craigslist to a fan-boy, which resulted in $225 out of pocket to step up to the Monoprice THX. Now after owing the Monoprice, Id save and buy at full price if I ever had to replace it. Its THAT MUCH BETTER, as are a few other subs competing in its price range and category. Again, a quick search will show you what is available and how they compare. ANY of them will astonish you when compared to a cheap sub. If you spend a reasonable amount of time enjoying a particular listening and/or HT viewing location, then the additional cost is probably more than worth the expenditure. Along with that, take note of the many reported amplifier failures of the lower end Klipsch subs. Not so with the higher end subs.

Dont take my word for it. Get away from the fan boy comments of SD, Amazon, Crutchfield, etc., and read the dozens of subjective audiophile reviews and comparisons before blowing your money. I understand that everyone has a budget. But from those who have been down the audio upgrade path, most are quick to point out that the one piece of equipment worthy of saving up for are the sub and speakers. The main point Ive read during my research is this: with today's AVR's, many decent speakers can often be calibrated to sound quite descent... but not so with cheap subs. They are a more often a rude distraction, not a compliment.
I think you mistakenly believe everyone's into the whole Audiophile thing and anything less is easily dismissed- such is your prerogative. In order to get anything substantially better w/ wireless, you would have to pay double for what this is selling for here...that doesn't make it junk. People simply have price points for what they're pockets can afford and needs. As someone else mentioned, not everyone drives a Porsche, when Camaros or Mustangs fill a similiar performance need on a more modest budget. Clearly, pairing this wireless subwoofer with a set of decent bookshelves will give a much better audio experience than 98% of all TV's out there for under $500 bucks- that's a good value for most people and it's relevant to them, not everyone has a desire or budget to spend $5k+ to get the experience you feel you need, that doesn't make everyone else stupid, your post is pretentious and condescending.
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Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. That post just says don't buy the $229 subwoofer - go buy something thats $700-$XXXX. The only user on that post who actually bought one was happy with it. Klipsch is not well beloved due to it "home theatre in a box" with audiophiles, so who its impossible judge. Reviews on amazon,crutchfield, etc are all good.

In your post this user summed it up.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/11...st57587776

Recommending a $700+ 15" subwoofer without even knowing room size or even how his sound system compares sounds crazy to me. If your running a $1200 - Klipsch set your not going to buy a $700 subwoofer
IMO, it depends on what mains you have now, if you have smaller bookshelf speakers then this Sub would work..If you big floor standing speakers then most likely they would out shine this Sub. Of all the 200.00 subs Klipsch isn't the best or worse...I'm not sure there are any good 200.00 subs
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Does this mean I don't need to run sub wires from receiver to sub?
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