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All DSLRs are falling like a rock.
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DPReview, I trust, but Northrup has proven himself to be a clown many times. His photography is low level, and essentially a product pusher. When he goes on rants on cameras, you start to get a sense, that he really doesnt have too much field experience or that he doesnt pick up on nuances very well.
Northrup is pretty much the only mainstream photographer who ISN'T a product pusher. He's also the only one I've seen that legitimately questions status-quo when it's BS.
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nobody wants a bigger camera, "Photographers" only put up with bigger cameras because they want the resulting image quality. I would prefer it if my camera rigs were only one ounce.
This isn't quite true. Nikon and Canon pro cameras are larger because that's what pros have historically asked for. I don't have overly large hands but I like shooting with larger cameras because they are more comfortable. The down side is that they weigh more and take up more space when packing.
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Shutter durability is one thing, but structural integrity of the body is another. Lots of A9's failing structurally that I've seen on the Sony group Facebook pages. The build quality of the a7 series isn't even close to the flagship Canon or Nikons. Perhaps the a9 is similar to the build quality of my a99ii... but still not on par with 1DX, D5 or D850.

But I'm not going into a war zone or climbing mountains with my body, so an a7 series would be just fine. I loved my a7r, even in spite of the bad AF.
it's mag alloy just like the canon/nikons, just smaller and less weight. There are plenty of people hiking with the A7/A9 and would never do that with the DSLR equivalents because they get left at home.
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it's mag alloy just like the canon/nikons, just smaller and less weight. There are plenty of people hiking with the A7/A9 and would never do that with the DSLR equivalents because they get left at home.
That's intellectually dishonest, and you know it. I enjoy the A7 series as much as anyone, but to suggest that one can put up with as much abuse and severe weather as a flagship Canon or Nikon is straight dishonesty. The weather sealing in the Sony bodies isn't up to that standard, and that is well-documented. Also, the screen and knobs on the A7 and A9 series are a true design weakness in terms of durability.


Third Generation A7 weather sealing issues
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4288529

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4288890

https://www.diyphotography.net/we...n-olympus/

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/...r-sealing/

https://www.imaging-resource.com/...pus-e-m1II

A9 weather sealing issues
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4376971
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That's intellectually dishonest, and you know it. I enjoy the A7 series as much as anyone, but to suggest that one can put up with as much abuse and severe weather as a flagship Canon or Nikon is straight dishonesty. The weather sealing in the Sony bodies isn't up to that standard, and that is well-documented. Also, the screen and knobs on the A7 and A9 series are a true design weakness in terms of durability.


Third Generation A7 weather sealing issues
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4288529

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4288890

https://www.diyphotography.net/we...n-olympus/

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/...r-sealing/

https://www.imaging-resource.com/...pus-e-m1II

A9 weather sealing issues
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4376971
I'm familiar with this theoretical issue, havent seen it being a problem in practice.

Nobody shoots the way the weather sealing test was performed, it's unrealistic, and it can be solved with a 10cent plastic bag. On the flip side, the shutter issue cant be solved. The Nikons especially have had horrific shutter issues, the D750 had a recall, D600, D800 replaced, not very trustworthy. It's akin to thinking that blackberries were better than iphones. Bigger with more mechanics != better.
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lol, you clearly havent figured it out. DSLR's are quickly dying, and if you want to own a brick soon to be worth nothing, feel free to hit the buy button.
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Northrup is pretty much the only mainstream photographer who ISN'T a product pusher. He's also the only one I've seen that legitimately questions status-quo when it's BS.
Northrup is probably not a product pusher but he definitely say bunch of bs just for views
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I think Ken Rockwell is not a good source of information, either. And his photographs are terrible.

DPReview, the Northrups, plenty of other knowledgeable photographers out there.

But the Nikon D850... damn... extremely good camera. Bulky and heavy, but otherwise, wow, it's amazing.
I like the Northrups, and Kai for their personalities and review styles. Fred Miranda can be a good resource for user experiences and advice. A bit better than DP in my opinion.

Steve Perry is another blogger/Youtuber who I find useful and informative.

Though if I could only choose one reviewer it would be Thom Hogan. Knows his stuff, explains things in clear terms. His paid guides are great as he breaks down features and explains what they mean and do. Can't recommend him highly enough.
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Northrup is probably not a product pusher but he definitely say bunch of bs just for views
I guess we have to agree to disagree. He's the only person I've seen who challenges what's been accepted for decades and can back it up with math. Some people can't accept that "accepted truths" aren't always true and feel butt hurt when they are proven wrong. He's also brand-agnostic and calls out the faults of all brands.
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lol, you clearly havent figured it out. DSLR's are quickly dying, and if you want to own a brick soon to be worth nothing, feel free to hit the buy button.
Anyone with a brain knows DSLRs are dying but they won't be a brick until they break and can't be fixed. My son still gets great pictures from my D60 from 2005.
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I guess we have to agree to disagree. He's the only person I've seen who challenges what's been accepted for decades and can back it up with math. Some people can't accept that "accepted truths" aren't always true and feel butt hurt when they are proven wrong. He's also brand-agnostic and calls out the faults of all brands.
Tony Northrup's a photographer. Whenever I question what someone says about photography, I look at their work. If they shoot well, then they know what they're talking about. If they can't shoot well, I take much less credence in what they have to say.

As for mirrorless vs DSLR, the Nikon D850 is clearly one of the very best cameras in the world, and there isn't a mirrorless camera that comes close for $2,400.
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I guess we have to agree to disagree. He's the only person I've seen who challenges what's been accepted for decades and can back it up with math. Some people can't accept that "accepted truths" aren't always true and feel butt hurt when they are proven wrong. He's also brand-agnostic and calls out the faults of all brands.
he's got some videos that challenge the norm in ways that most amateurs dont know or understand, and in that sense, he's got technical understanding, but make no mistake about it, the guy has very limited experience as a photographer. He's constantly pushing his book "stunning digital photography" and I've yet to see something stunning from his work or lack of it.

He's a great analyst and youtuber, however there are many aspects of photography that he's outright wrong and his inexperience shows. You may not notice these things, but since I've been doing photography for over a decade, and a technical analysis type myself, I started to recognize some major mistakes of his. Him questioning some engineering practices was when I first noticed the bs artist. Fro, on the other hand, a bonafide product pusher, has actual experience, and sometimes gets caught red handed being a shill. I give him a pass because he can joke about it and let it go, but Tony.... naw, he still plays the part.

I give respect to much smaller youtubers that were photographers first and have a lot of experience and with an open mind and patience when evaluating. Tony and Fro tend to push out fast to get out the gate first, so they miss nuances.
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Tony Northrup's a photographer. Whenever I question what someone says about photography, I look at their work. If they shoot well, then they know what they're talking about. If they can't shoot well, I take much less credence in what they have to say.

As for mirrorless vs DSLR, the Nikon D850 is clearly one of the very best cameras in the world, and there isn't a mirrorless camera that comes close for $2,400.
Sony A7r iii gray market, all day $2200. Some things the nikon does better many the sony does better.
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Sony A7r iii gray market, all day $2200. Some things the nikon does better many the sony does better.
Ok, that's true; I didn't realize their prices fell so far.
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