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10-12-2019 at 01:32 PM #16

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Common health knowledge? Ok then. Where are you getting this information from?
Soy is in SO MANY different food products, I guess the majority of men are just walking around with low test levels now.

You are most likely correct.

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10-12-2019 at 01:49 PM #17

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Common health knowledge? Ok then. Where are you getting this information from?
Soy is in SO MANY different food products, I guess the majority of men are just walking around with low test levels now.

Oh kinda weird theres this growing infertility problem in Western nation's that wasnt around 15 years ago eh?

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10-12-2019 at 02:25 PM #18

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Oh kinda weird theres this growing infertility problem in Western nation's that wasnt around 15 years ago eh?

Are you really pinpointing soy as the issue here?? Some people would say that this infertility issue has been ongoing for the past 40 years. Some people would say it is due to couples trying to have children later in life (mid 30's ish).
I mean, we can get even deeper with this too. Protein powders in general are a waste of money.

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10-12-2019 at 02:39 PM #19

Quote from domoMKIV :

Common health knowledge? Ok then. Where are you getting this information from?
Soy is in SO MANY different food products, I guess the majority of men are just walking around with low test levels now.

Your guess is correct

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10-12-2019 at 02:39 PM #20

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Are you really pinpointing soy as the issue here?? Some people would say that this infertility issue has been ongoing for the past 40 years. Some people would say it is due to couples trying to have children later in life (mid 30's ish).
I mean, we can get even deeper with this too. Protein powders in general are a waste of money.

No.. I'm just at saying it could be part of the issue. I'd say the rate of obesity, poor diet, and all the chemicals used in the food are largly responsible.

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10-12-2019 at 02:46 PM #21

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I'd say the rate of obesity, poor diet, and all the chemicals used in the food are largly responsible.

And stress.

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10-12-2019 at 03:29 PM #22

Here's some research from a peer reviewed journal which looked at several studies (meta analysis):

"Phytoestrogens may play a role in hormone-related diseases such as cancer, but epidemiological and clinical data are conflicting in part due to inadequate databases used in intake estimation."
"Soy products contain the highest amounts of isoflavone, followed by legumes, ... processed foods, cereals and breads, nuts and oilseeds, vegetables, alcoholic beverages, fruits..."

Some studies show correlation between decreased testosterone and estrogens in foods (among those who eat a lot of flax and soy, among others). It's difficult to isolate ONE thing and state causation - unless we are talking about smoking. If we put people on clinical diets and control their food it's one thing but that's not possible.

But really...stop eating processed sh!t - this is processed. EAT. WHOLE. FOODS.

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10-12-2019 at 05:31 PM #23

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Soy will lower testosterone levels in men. It's common men's health knowledge

Seriously, how long have you been living under a rock? That myth has been debunked for years now. Soy has no effect on testosterone, period.

What people do need to look out for is that plant based protein are obviously from plants and virtually all plants used as crops are exposed to pesticides (which are used to kill bugs). So one has to be careful to see if the crops used are properly washed by the company before being processed.

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10-12-2019 at 05:34 PM #24

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Seriously, how long have you been living under a rock? That myth has been debunked for years now. Soy has no effect on testosterone, period.

What people do need to look out for is that plant based protein are obviously from plants and virtually all plants used as crops are exposed to pesticides (which are used to kill bugs). So one has to be careful to see if the crops used are properly washed by the company before being processed.

This isn't necessarily true. You can't prove causation either way. See my post. There is SOME correlation, but you never can truly know, especially if it lowers it for me but not for you, and if that's truly the only change that was made.

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10-12-2019 at 05:43 PM #25

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Common health knowledge? Ok then. Where are you getting this information from?
Soy is in SO MANY different food products, I guess the majority of men are just walking around with low test levels now.

https://bigthink.com/sex-relation...belltitem1

Technically Western men have lower T in today's day versus only a couple decades ago. I'm not saying it's because soy is in everything. As mentioned in this thread, there's no reason to take soy protein with it's inconclusive results of negative effects when there are other vegetarian options out there. If you aren't vegetarian then whey should be your go-to

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10-12-2019 at 06:40 PM #26

If you are a man, avoid soy like the plague. There's a reason why the term "soy boy" exists. Please do your research - soy increases estrogen/decreases testosterone and will give you "man boobs." Speaking of which, if you drink a lot of beer, that will also give you man boobs, in addition to a big unsightly belly.

In other words, please eat whole foods, drink a lot of water, get plenty of sleep and work out.

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10-12-2019 at 08:46 PM #27

what i got from this thread is that soy/isoflavone exposure does not exert feminizing effects, but definitely causes one to rage on forums

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10-12-2019 at 09:52 PM #28

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10-13-2019 at 08:34 AM #29

Quote from domoMKIV :

Common health knowledge? Ok then. Where are you getting this information from?
Soy is in SO MANY different food products, I guess the majority of men are just walking around with low test levels now.

Do you even know what estrogen is? Please stay away from that too.

Testosterone is for men. Male hormones supporter

Estrogen is for women. Female hormones supporter

That's common knowledge, as a matter of fact these words are middle school term so there you go.

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