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Anyone have experience using these outdoors?
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Anyone have experience using these outdoors?
Reach out to mat2000 he is the resident security camera expert. Given this time of year I personally wouldn't make a purchase before reading his annual Black Friday thread.
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Not POE. No go in my opinion.
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It's even worse; the description says 'Analog HD'- which is crap.

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Reliable analog HD over a single BNC cable
Standard siamese BNC cabling is used in the LHA42162T to deliver stunning HD video. This BNC cable provides both video and power transmission for an easy-to-install process that will have your surveillance system up and running in no time. If needed, analog HD cameras like these can be installed up to 500 feet away from the DVR - making them ideal for watching over large properties.
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No POE No deal!
Just like No HDMI No deal.
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Not POE. No go in my opinion.
we just got a non poe(coax) 8 camera 4k/dvr system installed, and it replaced an 8 camera 4k poe/nvr system. the poe system sucked. the coax system is far superior. so far, we have had 3mp/poe, 8mp/poe, and now 8mp/coax. the coax is faster and clearer. so, not poe is a go in my EXPERIENCE.
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No POE No deal!
Just like No HDMI No deal.
since we have recently replaced a poe with a coax system, i can say that the coax is FAR superior
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Lorex 8 Channel 4K NVR Security System, 2TB, 4 Color Night Vision Cameras
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Anyone have experience using these outdoors?
I have been using the POE version that I got from Costco about 2 years ago. Running well with a total of 9 cameras out of which 6 are outdoor.
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we just got a non poe(coax) 8 camera 4k/dvr system installed, and it replaced an 8 camera 4k poe/nvr system. the poe system sucked. the coax system is far superior. so far, we have had 3mp/poe, 8mp/poe, and now 8mp/coax. the coax is faster and clearer. so, not poe is a go in my EXPERIENCE.
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since we have recently replaced a poe with a coax system, i can say that the coax is FAR superior
Disadvantages of Analog Cameras


Frame rate and image quality:
The frame rate of analog cameras is lower than that of IP, so they're not ideal for areas that have a lot of motion or that need to be seen in high detail. Images are not as sharp and may appear grainy or blurry. You also can't digitally zoom in like you can with IP cameras. However, for certain situations or areas, image quality may not be a crucial factor. "Depending on the application, there are plenty of circumstances where a high frame rate isn't necessary," says Sutton.

Less coverage:
It may take more analog cameras to cover the same amount of area as it would take one IP camera.
More cables: You need a power cable, plus a DVR cable, whereas you only need one cable with IP cameras.

No encryption:
A lack of encryption means a hacker could potentially access your information or replace your signal with an outside one.
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Disadvantages of Analog Cameras


Frame rate and image quality:
The frame rate of analog cameras is lower than that of IP, so they're not ideal for areas that have a lot of motion or that need to be seen in high detail. Images are not as sharp and may appear grainy or blurry. You also can't digitally zoom in like you can with IP cameras. However, for certain situations or areas, image quality may not be a crucial factor. "Depending on the application, there are plenty of circumstances where a high frame rate isn't necessary," says Sutton.

Less coverage:
It may take more analog cameras to cover the same amount of area as it would take one IP camera.
More cables: You need a power cable, plus a DVR cable, whereas you only need one cable with IP cameras.

No encryption:
A lack of encryption means a hacker could potentially access your information or replace your signal with an outside one.
frame rate-with the ip cameras, i would get what i call freeze frame. the image would stop, then after a few seconds, jump ahead. image detail was worse than what i have now. ip cameras would not switch off ir back to color in the daytime. ip cameras field of view was less than what i now have. for the coverage of our home and surrounding area, 8 cameras are a minimum. more cables mean nothing to me, i did not install it, and i really dont care. the ip cameras would suddenly just black out at random, i would have to reboot the system. 2 cameras finally just quit. ir night vision is way better now. dunno about being hacked, the dvr and monitor are separate from anything else. between the 2 systems, the one we have now is way more user friendly. also, the dvr will go back 30 days, the nvr only 4. from my experience, every problem i had with poe is solved with coax/analog. HUGE improvement
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frame rate-with the ip cameras, i would get what i call freeze frame. the image would stop, then after a few seconds, jump ahead. image detail was worse than what i have now. ip cameras would not switch off ir back to color in the daytime. ip cameras field of view was less than what i now have. for the coverage of our home and surrounding area, 8 cameras are a minimum. more cables mean nothing to me, i did not install it, and i really dont care. the ip cameras would suddenly just black out at random, i would have to reboot the system. 2 cameras finally just quit. ir night vision is way better now. dunno about being hacked, the dvr and monitor are separate from anything else. between the 2 systems, the one we have now is way more user friendly. also, the dvr will go back 30 days, the nvr only 4. from my experience, every problem i had with poe is solved with coax/analog. HUGE improvement
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My take on this kit:

A) Not certain of the OEM, I know less about the DVR kits than the NVR IP kits.
B) These 4MP cameras have rather small sensors 1/3". If you can afford better I would look for a camera with a larger sensor.
C) Cabling is often a bit of a pita to setup - so I would rather go cat6 than run coax as imho IP tech is significantly more flexible and better for future proofing. Coax to me is a bit dated - and unless I have it already up to the locations I want I would not go with a coax system. ( note you can run cat6 and get an adapter for BNC cameras - so if you really want to you can go that route.. and yes you can also get baluns for coax cable to Rj45.. however, that all adds a bit more and gets you more parts to setup.. )
If you already have good quality coax ( Siamese ) run to the locations you want, then definitely look at DVR kits.

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Anyone have experience using these outdoors?
Please see the following...

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Reach out to mat2000 he is the resident security camera expert. Given this time of year I personally wouldn't make a purchase before reading his annual Black Friday thread.
Thanks Peddler, fyi - not yet certain how much time I can allocate to replicate what I've done in the past for the BF deals. So don't wait on me if you're looking for a deal.

If you're looking for a system: Review the deals from last year and keep an eye out on the same vendors.

Hi Rojo

Do check out the past BF master list thread along with taking some time to determine your needs ( see the usual wiki's I refer folks to )

In general:
1) Most of the outdoor rated security camera systems will do well outdoors provided you do a decent job on installing them.
( if the cable is exposed outside - remember to install it with drip loop. For RJ45 connections I like a little bit of di-electric gel in the jack before inserting the RJ45 plug - and then wrapping it with silicone stretch tape or coax seal or the like. .. more details in the various wikis as well as hopefully in the ipcamtalk cliff notes )

2) Remember to bench test any system before you mount them.

3) Remember temp extremes maybe problematic and you may need to find ways to shield the cameras from ice / snow build up or excessive heat from being directly in the sun.


My recommendations:
1st figure out what your needs / wants are. Look at the ID distance table in the past wiki's. Check the camera specs and see if they can theoretically accomplish what you want - if not, then not likely to do so in reality.

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we just got a non poe(coax) 8 camera 4k/dvr system installed, and it replaced an 8 camera 4k poe/nvr system. the poe system sucked. the coax system is far superior. so far, we have had 3mp/poe, 8mp/poe, and now 8mp/coax. the coax is faster and clearer. so, not poe is a go in my EXPERIENCE.
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since we have recently replaced a poe with a coax system, i can say that the coax is FAR superior
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frame rate-with the ip cameras, i would get what i call freeze frame. the image would stop, then after a few seconds, jump ahead. image detail was worse than what i have now. ip cameras would not switch off ir back to color in the daytime. ip cameras field of view was less than what i now have. for the coverage of our home and surrounding area, 8 cameras are a minimum. more cables mean nothing to me, i did not install it, and i really dont care. the ip cameras would suddenly just black out at random, i would have to reboot the system. 2 cameras finally just quit. ir night vision is way better now. dunno about being hacked, the dvr and monitor are separate from anything else. between the 2 systems, the one we have now is way more user friendly. also, the dvr will go back 30 days, the nvr only 4. from my experience, every problem i had with poe is solved with coax/analog. HUGE improvement
Hi hochiinn

Which kits / systems are you actually comparing? ( make, model, specs, HDDs.. )

There's a lot of variations between kits and a lot of what you're noting is not necessarily a "IP PoE" vs "coax" variable.

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Disadvantages of Analog Cameras


Frame rate and image quality:
The frame rate of analog cameras is lower than that of IP, so they're not ideal for areas that have a lot of motion or that need to be seen in high detail...
Thanks James

I also have noted that when looking at kits from various vendors the DVR-coax-analog kits tend to have lesser specs than the IP PoE kits.

For example the Lorex 8MP IP PoE cameras can do more fps vs the analog 8MP cameras.

I suspect this is more related to the "value" / price difference that typical customers are willing to pay and thus many DVR coax bnc analog kits have more affordable cameras ( i.e. less performance ) as I have seen some significantly better coax cameras than what we typically see in the kits that are sold to retail customers.
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