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Finnish Government Collapses Due to Rising Cost of Universal Health Care

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The government of Finland collapsed Friday due to the rising cost of universal health care and the prime minister's failure to enact reforms to the system.

Prime Minister Juha Sipila and the rest of the cabinet resigned after the governing coalition failed to pass reforms in parliament to the country's regional government and health services, the Wall Street Journal reports. Finland faces an aging population, with around 26 percent of its citizens expected to be over 65 by the year 2030, an increase of 5 percent from today.

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Reuters reports [reuters.com] that soaring treatment costs and longer life spans have particularly affected Nordic countries.

"Nordic countries, where comprehensive welfare is the cornerstone of the social model, have been among the most affected," according to Reuters. "But reform has been controversial and, in Finland, plans to cut costs and boost efficiency have stalled for years."

Similar problems are bedeviling Sweden and Denmark, two other countries frequently held up as models to follow on health care. Finland's crisis in particular comes as calls for universal health care have grown louder among Democrats in the United States.
Well, there goes that talking point.

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The government of Finland collapsed Friday due to the rising cost of universal health care and the prime minister's failure to enact reforms to the system.

Prime Minister Juha Sipila and the rest of the cabinet resigned after the governing coalition failed to pass reforms in parliament to the country's regional government and health services, the Wall Street Journal reports. Finland faces an aging population, with around 26 percent of its citizens expected to be over 65 by the year 2030, an increase of 5 percent from today.

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Reuters reports [reuters.com] that soaring treatment costs and longer life spans have particularly affected Nordic countries.

"Nordic countries, where comprehensive welfare is the cornerstone of the social model, have been among the most affected," according to Reuters. "But reform has been controversial and, in Finland, plans to cut costs and boost efficiency have stalled for years."

Similar problems are bedeviling Sweden and Denmark, two other countries frequently held up as models to follow on health care. Finland's crisis in particular comes as calls for universal health care have grown louder among Democrats in the United States.
Well, there goes that talking point.
Are you saying they're Finnish-ed?
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Almost ten months after, can you tell us the outcome?
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Almost ten months after, can you tell us the outcome?
Good catch. Also, I guess the original headline wasn't apocalyptic enough: "Finland's cabinet quits over failure to deliver healthcare reform"
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Well, there goes that talking point.
Here's another "talking point:"

What would Jesus say about a society which does not prioritize healthcare for those who need and can't afford it?
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Here's another "talking point:"

What would Jesus say about a society which does not prioritize healthcare for those who need and can't afford it?

Compulsory Charity is not Charitable At All [libertarianchristians.com]

Forcibly taking that which does not belong to us – regardless of how we choose to label the program – and presenting it to a third party is simply theft. More, such transactions destroy the relationship between benefactor and beneficiary. We are urged not to develop a hard heart toward the impoverished; when we give out of choice we do so out of grace for our neighbor. When we are coerced to assist, we detest the recipients because we have been victimized by thievery.
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Compulsory Charity is not Charitable At All [libertarianchristians.com]

Forcibly taking that which does not belong to us – regardless of how we choose to label the program – and presenting it to a third party is simply theft. More, such transactions destroy the relationship between benefactor and beneficiary. We are urged not to develop a hard heart toward the impoverished; when we give out of choice we do so out of grace for our neighbor. When we are coerced to assist, we detest the recipients because we have been victimized by thievery.
GoFundMe is not healthcare.
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Compulsory Charity is not Charitable At All [libertarianchristians.com]

Forcibly taking that which does not belong to us – regardless of how we choose to label the program – and presenting it to a third party is simply theft. More, such transactions destroy the relationship between benefactor and beneficiary. We are urged not to develop a hard heart toward the impoverished; when we give out of choice we do so out of grace for our neighbor. When we are coerced to assist, we detest the recipients because we have been victimized by thievery.
Not everyone feels this way. I kind of feel sorry for those that do.
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Here's another "talking point:"

What would Jesus say about a society which does not prioritize healthcare for those who need and can't afford it?
My speculation on the imaginary figure would be he would be appalled that some societies thought it was acceptable to use force against others to collect the funds necessary.

Charity seems to be a strong Christian value.
Theft...not so much,
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GoFundMe is not healthcare.
Mutual aid societies played a much greater role in the US prior to the government stealing property to pay for some's healthcare.

This back when the country was poorer. It would have been great to see that blossom with the relative riches we have now.
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My speculation on the imaginary figure would be he would be appalled that some societies thought it was acceptable to use force against others to collect the funds necessary.

Charity seems to be a strong Christian value.
Theft...not so much,
Jesus threw the money changers out of the Temple, so it's clear he had no patience for the greedy.

He also famously said "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

Caesar decided the taxes owed, and Jesus clearly approved paying those taxes.

So your false equivalence was not recognized by Him.
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Compulsory Charity is not Charitable At All [libertarianchristians.com]

Forcibly taking that which does not belong to us – regardless of how we choose to label the program – and presenting it to a third party is simply theft. More, such transactions destroy the relationship between benefactor and beneficiary. We are urged not to develop a hard heart toward the impoverished; when we give out of choice we do so out of grace for our neighbor. When we are coerced to assist, we detest the recipients because we have been victimized by thievery.
Thievery, you say? Who knows better about stealing than the Trump Foundation [npr.org]!
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Jesus threw the money changers out of the Temple, so it's clear he had no patience for the greedy.

He also famously said "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

Caesar decided the taxes owed, and Jesus clearly approved paying those taxes.

So your false equivalence was not recognized by Him.
Jesus was a shrewd actor by most accounts and would not be trapped by a taxation question. I on the other hand have no such restraints.

Please note...Jesus did NOT say to pay your taxes. There is a good bit of debate about the slyness of said answer and what rightfully belongs to Caesar.

I'd agree with his disdain for the greedy, but it appears even from this passage he clearly understood and approved of the nature of private property.
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Nice fake outdated article. Finland's government did not collapse, people resigned, because they couldn't agree on reforms.
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My speculation on the imaginary figure would be he would be appalled that some societies thought it was acceptable to use force against others to collect the funds necessary.

Charity seems to be a strong Christian value.
Theft...not so much,
Charity and Thievery are like Trump and Foundation all in the same sentence: Trump Foundation [npr.org]
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